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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on August 19, 2009, 10:25:18 AM
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Oh my.
It'll be nice for the onus of the health care bill to be removed from our backs, given that we don't matter. We always knew we didn't matter, what with the Democrats controlling both houses of Congress, but for some perverse reason, the primitives were always blaming the minority party for their woes.
Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-18-09 10:16 PM
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REPUBLICANS DON'T MATTER.
Lesson learned, finally? Republicans don't matter.
They had a chance to participate, more of a chance than they deserved, IMO.
And they themselves have shown they've got nothing worthwhile to contribute. Just endless whining, posturing, and poisonous lies lies lies.
So... so long, shitheels. There's important work to be done, and we've no more time to waste with you.
Republicans don't matter.
Democrats Seem Set to Go Alone on a Health Bill
WASHINGTON — Given hardening Republican opposition to Congressional health care proposals, Democrats now say they see little chance of the minority’s cooperation in approving any overhaul, and are increasingly focused on drawing support for a final plan from within their own ranks.
Top Democrats said Tuesday that their go-it-alone view was being shaped by what they saw as Republicans’ purposely strident tone against health care legislation during this month’s Congressional recess, as well as remarks by leading Republicans that current proposals were flawed beyond repair.
More:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/19/health/policy/19repub...
RagAss (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-18-09 10:17 PM
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1. Fill your hands you son of a bitches !!!
eleny (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-18-09 10:17 PM
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2. I suppose that when Grassley jumped the shark the light went on for the Dems
waiting for hope (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-18-09 10:17 PM
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3. Hey - the last 8 years the meme was that
Democrats don't matter, and if you vote for one, you're a terrorist. I'm tired of the bi-partisanship here, **** 'em.
NewJeffCT (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-18-09 10:19 PM
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4. good - take it through reconciliation and pass it with 50 votes & Biden.
Mz Pip (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-18-09 10:24 PM
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5. Sing, sing a song
Make it simple
to last the whole day long.
Think of good things, not bad.
Think of happy, not sad.
REPUBLICANS DON'T MATTER.
It needs to be shouted from the rooftops.
Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-18-09 10:36 PM
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7. Yep, and when they complain about being marginalized...
... and they WILL complain -- complaining is What They Do... they can be reminded that they have no one but themselves to blame.
In the meantime, they can go to their rooms and think about what they've done to deserve a time-out.
When they're ready to behave like responsible human beings again, when they can go five minutes without throwing tantrums, telling lies and generally making everyone else miserable... THEN they can come down and rejoin society.
doc03 (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-18-09 10:31 PM
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6. Exactly, screw bipartisanship any bill that the Republicans will agree to will be guaranteed to fail and guess who will get the blame.
Of course the Republicans will get the blame, as if the Republicans, being the minority party, the party with fewer votes in Congress, control Congress.
NRaleighLiberal (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-18-09 10:42 PM
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8. Can I repeat it? REPUBLICANS DON'T MATTER. Absolute music!
unblock (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-18-09 11:14 PM
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9. conservative views are plenty well represented already within the democratic party we ARE the two-party system. at least!
Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-19-09 10:11 AM
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10. What's the trouble, lurking right-winger assholes? Truth hurts?
Well, you've got no one to blame but your own ridiculous selves.
The Republican Party has shown itself to be worthless at best, downright DANGEROUS to America at worst.
That's just a plain fact. And by now everyone knows it.
Republicans Don't Matter.
Get used to it. You've got no one but yourselves to blame.
So.....why don't the majority Democrats pass a bill?
We don't matter; we're the minority.
FormerDittoHead (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-19-09 10:23 AM
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11. I want more. Cut the pork programs from their districts and states - WE BLUES NEED IT!
Stop this BS crap about winning them over. They went to war and died defending SLAVERY for crying out loud, and to this ****ing day brandish flags boasting of it! **** THEM.
Let the trickle down work for THEM. Stimulate the BLUES. I'm so TIRED of seeing the Reds get MORE MONEY than the blue states, when the blue states pay MORE TAXES!
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They had a chance to participate, more of a chance than they deserved, IMO.
Was that the chance that Pelonazi gave them by COMPLETELY shutting the GOP out of crafting the bill?
Liberal Bipartisanship: Let's compromise by you shutting up and doing things my way.
These people are certifiable.
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I don`t want any Republicans to sign on to any portion of this healthcare monstrosity.
Let the dems wear every bit of it.
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I can't wait till late november next year.
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Let the dems wear every bit of it.
They probably will; after all, the Democrats don't need any Republicans to pass a health care bill. There's more than enough Democrats in both houses of Congress to get a bill passed.
I of course don't want a health care bill passed, period, but it would be nice if the primitives put the blame where the blame lies, on Democrats in Congress, and not on the minority Republicans.
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They probably will; after all, the Democrats don't need any Republicans to pass a health care bill. There's more than enough Democrats in both houses of Congress to get a bill passed.
I of course don't want a health care bill passed, period, but it would be nice if the primitives put the blame where the blame lies, on Democrats in Congress, and not on the minority Republicans.
Well, it is shaping up to be interesting.......insider friends of mine in DC are telling me that it is likely that there will be no Health Care Reform Act this year because.......
Wait for it........
The DEMOCRATS!!
It appears more than likely that the "Blue Dogs" will not vote for the bill in its present form, nor will they support any substitute bill with the "public option" included, as they have been told during recess that a vote for the bill will result in them being replaced by someone with an (R) behind their name in November of 2010. Remember, over 30 of these representatives are from very "red" districts that have a long and illustrious history of electing conservative congressmen, and the present seat-holders only won because they ran as "conservative" Democrats.
The LIBERAL Democrats have stated that they will not vote for any bill that DOES NOT contain a strong "public option"......therefore, the majority party is queuing up to kill this monstrosity all by themselves, without the Republicans having to do anything other than stand around and laugh at them..........
Interesting times indeed......
doc
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I'll make sure to remember this thread if health care is passed and it becomes a far greater atrocity than anyone ever imagined it would be but were warned about and tried to stop for so long.
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Well, it is shaping up to be interesting.......insider friends of mine in DC are telling me that it is likely that there will be no Health Care Reform Act this year because.......
Wait for it........
The DEMOCRATS!!
It appears more than likely that the "Blue Dogs" will not vote for the bill in its preseent form, nor will they support any substitute bill with the "public option" included, as they have been told during recess that a vote for the bill will result in them being replaced by someone with an (R) behind their name in November of 2010. Remember, over 30 of these representatives are from very "red" districts that have a long and illustrious history of electing conservative congressmen, and the present seat-holders only won because they ran as "conservative" Democrats.
The LIBERAL Democrats have stated that they will not vote for any bill that DOES NOT contain a strong "public option"......therefore, the majority party is queing up to kill this monstrosity all by themselves, without the Republicans having to do anything other than stand around and laugh at them..........
Interesting times indeed......
doc
Republican "leaders" have been mostly silent on this debate. It truly has been a grassroots movement of both conservative Democrats and conservatives that have been raising hell at the townhall meetings. The bluedogs realize this, the DUmmies, and the ultraleft never will.
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Republican "leaders" have been mostly silent on this debate.
True......but even during recess, votes are being counted, and phone calls made........the Republican leadership has determined that they don't have to say a word........
The people are speaking, and the Dem's had better listen.......if they don't it is at their own peril......
doc
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NewJeffCT (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-18-09 10:19 PM
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4. good - take it through reconciliation and pass it with 50 votes & Biden.
That will open a whole can of worms via parlimentary rules that none of you want.
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True......but even during recess, votes are being counted, and phone calls made........the Republican leadership has determined that they don't have to say a word........
The people are speaking, and the Dem's had better listen.......if they don't it is at their own peril......
doc
The left always believes the results to a generic poll question the likes of "do you favor free healthcare".
The devil is in the details and thinking people quickly see the inability for that to happen.
Enough dems in Congress can understand the problems and balk at it.
DUmmies are not capable of this so will believe it to the bitter end.
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Republican "leaders" have been mostly silent on this debate. It truly has been a grassroots movement of both conservative Democrats and conservatives that have been raising hell at the townhall meetings. The bluedogs realize this, the DUmmies, and the ultraleft never will.
That's probably a good thing, they'd probalby just screw it up and give the press more leverage to make them the bad guys if they did. We just need them to STFU and refrain from going bipartisan on us when it comes to crunch time.
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These people are completely incapable of reading the mood of the country. Can't wait til their bubble bursts!
Cindie
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They certainly are, Cindie, and they're incapable of reading polls.
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These people are completely incapable of reading the mood of the country. Can't wait til their bubble bursts!
Cindie
Dutch's prediction:
If the dems in congress go ahead and pass this ****ing mess there will be riots and blood in the streets of DC.
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Stop this BS crap about winning them over. They went to war and died defending SLAVERY for crying out loud, and to this ******* day brandish flags boasting of it! **** THEM
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Wasn't it the Democrat Party that fought for slavery?
Isn't it the Democrat Party that is fighting to turn us all into government slaves now?
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Wasn't it the Democrat Party that fought for slavery?
Isn't it the Democrat Party that is fighting to turn us all into government slaves now?
Hush you. Facts need not be mentioned here.
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Wasn't it the Democrat Party that fought for slavery?
Isn't it the Democrat Party that is fighting to turn us all into government slaves now?
Slavery was a major part of the Dem platform leading up to the Civil War. You have to remember, the left is in charge of education indoctrination of the youth.
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If they don't matter, stop taking their money, fools. Cool?
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Slavery was a major part of the Dem platform leading up to the Civil War. You have to remember, the left is in charge of education indoctrination of the youth.
What Civil War?
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What Civil War?
I think there was a few pages in the history books about it somewhere. Somewhere between White People owned slaves and White People descriminated with Jim Crow...
No word on what party passed Jim Crow laws.
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Dutch's prediction:
If the dems in congress go ahead and pass this ******* mess there will be riots and blood in the streets of DC.
Perhaps not in the streets of DC, but it will certainly be "time to feed the pigs"
Note: Those of you who haven't read the book, (Unintended Consequences by John Ross) may find the above statement somewhat confusing..........
doc
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I think there was a few pages in the history books about it somewhere. Somewhere between White People owned slaves and White People descriminated with Jim Crow...
No word on what party passed Jim Crow laws.
That wasn't a Civil War. A Civil War is defined as two factions combating one another for the intention of controlling one government. The South wanted no part of the government of the United States.
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That wasn't a Civil War. A Civil War is defined as two factions combating one another for the intention of controlling one government. The South wanted no part of the government of the United States.
The losers don't get to decide what a war is called afterward.
:evillaugh:
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The losers don't get to decide what a war is called afterward.
:evillaugh:
No, history and anyone with an IQ above 40 does. Shall I post a definition for you Yankee bastages?
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Not everybody confuses the issue of which side of slavery the Dems were on. It's the reason my congressional district has been Republican since the "civil war." In my neck of the woods, people were passionate abolitionists, and all the old houses (including mine) have remnants of the underground railroad. I have a tunnel going from my basement to the neighbor's.
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No, history and anyone with an IQ above 40 does. Shall I post a definition for you Yankee bastages?
Actual usage counts for 100 times more in language than a guy caught in a do-loop with a dictionary and an axe to grind.
:tongue:
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Actual usage counts for 100 times more in language than a guy caught in a do-loop with a dictionary and an axe to grind.
:tongue:
A civil war is a war in which the competing parties are segments of the same country or empire. Civil war is usually a high intensity stage in an unresolved political struggle for national control of state power. As in any war, the conflict may be over other matters such as religion, ethnicity, or distribution of wealth. Some civil wars are also categorized as revolutions when major societal restructuring is a possible outcome of the conflict.
Again, we wanted no part of Yankeeland. You guys could have created Communism up there for all the Southerners cared.
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BTW, it can also be said that when the North invaded the South, illegally I might add, that the strength of the overpowering federal government started. So, don't like the way things are now? It's only a continuation of what was started in 1861.
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I think there was a few pages in the history books about it somewhere. Somewhere between White People owned slaves and White People descriminated with Jim Crow...
No word on what party passed Jim Crow laws.
Maryland, Missouri, and Delaware were all slave-holding states, and fought for the North. Their slaves were also not freed until one year after the slaves in the southern states were freed.
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BTW, it can also be said that when the North invaded the South, illegally I might add, that the strength of the overpowering federal government started. So, don't like the way things are now? It's only a continuation of what was started in 1861.
I already showed you where the South was the ones who initiated hostilities by attacking military installations owned by the Federal government, on land ceded to the Federal Government by those states. Come on Reb, stop this fallacy of "Northern Aggression". It's no differant then if Germany where to attack our bases over there. It's not like we'd just roll over and act like nothing ever happened.
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I already showed you where the South was the ones who initiated hostilities by attacking military installations owned by the Federal government, on land ceded to the Federal Government by those states. Come on Reb, stop this fallacy of "Northern Aggression". It's no differant then if Germany where to attack our bases over there. It's not like we'd just roll over and act like nothing ever happened.
With this president???
Wouldn't count on that.
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Don't we have one of these threads in the fight club? :fuelfire:
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Again, we wanted no part of Yankeeland. You guys could have created Communism up there for all the Southerners cared.
Your unsourced definition qualifies everything you say with "Usually," and actual usage of the term encompasses wars of secession. Fail.
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As Frank would say, "Oh My."
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The Civil War was actually a failed revolution.
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Maryland, Missouri, and Delaware were all slave-holding states, and fought for the North. Their slaves were also not freed until one year after the slaves in the southern states were freed.
You mean a year after the proclamation? The slaves in the south were freed until after the war was over.
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My family all lived in Middlesex County, New Jersey (within sight of New York City) up until 1950. They were small farmers, cabinet makers, tavern owners, etc... pretty much middle class. I have a number of their wills from the pre-Civil War era. Every one of them owned a couple of slaves that they willed to their children.
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I already showed you where the South was the ones who initiated hostilities by attacking military installations owned by the Federal government, on land ceded to the Federal Government by those states. Come on Reb, stop this fallacy of "Northern Aggression". It's no differant then if Germany where to attack our bases over there. It's not like we'd just roll over and act like nothing ever happened.
I don't think we would march in a line 60 miles wide and destroy everything in sight in retaliation.
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It's no differant then if Germany where to attack our bases over there. It's not like we'd just roll over and act like nothing ever happened.
Today? Yes, we would roll over. We have a sophisticated, nuanced leadership now.
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Maryland, Missouri, and Delaware were all slave-holding states, and fought for the North. Their slaves were also not freed until one year after the slaves in the southern states were freed.
Reb....you might want to read up a bit on Missouri history.......although the north installed a "puppet government" in St. Louis during the war, the only real estate that the union army actually controlled for any length of time until late in the war, was along the single railroad line from St, Louis to St. Joseph...........the great majority of the state fought for the south, and one of the stars on the "Stars and Bars" represents Missouri.......the elected government in Jefferson City declared itself part of the Confederacy on January 11, 1862.
doc
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I already showed you where the South was the ones who initiated hostilities by attacking military installations owned by the Federal government, on land ceded to the Federal Government by those states. Come on Reb, stop this fallacy of "Northern Aggression". It's no differant then if Germany where to attack our bases over there. It's not like we'd just roll over and act like nothing ever happened.
We were re-annexing that land. They should have vacated the premises with a quickness.
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Your unsourced definition qualifies everything you say with "Usually," and actual usage of the term encompasses wars of secession. Fail.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/civil+War
We weren't part of the United States anymore. We seceded. So, no, it wasn't a Civil War. The South wanted no part of that piece of swampland known as D.C.
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We were re-annexing that land. They should have vacated the premises with a quickness.
If I recall correctly, they were given appropriate notice to leave.........
doc
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Don't we have one of these threads in the fight club? :fuelfire:
Yes, and I'm going to argue the point until they all agree with me. :evillaugh:
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You mean a year after the proclamation? The slaves in the south were freed until after the war was over.
The Emancipation Proclamation only pertained to slaves in Southern slave-holding states.
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If I recall correctly, they were given appropriate notice to leave.........
doc
Yeah, and then they were given a more direct and formal notice to vacate that came from a mortar on Battery Row.
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Hey, question DAT, do you believe the South had the right to secede?
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Zenlitened
What's the trouble, lurking right-winger assholes? Truth hurts?
First of all, you're saying things behind the safety of your computer you wouldn't say in person, so that makes what you say automatically irrelevant.
Second, it's not the truth, so it doesn't hurt. Conservatives always matter; we have more money than the left, we're much more intelligent, better looking, and we actually have jobs. :-)
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Hey, question DAT, do you believe the South had the right to secede?
Interesting question, my own personal opinion on it is that the Framers left the issue so wide open that either side of the question could justify its claim later when it came to crunch time. For all the genius embodied in the Constitution, they pretty much screwed the pooch on that point, leading to rivers of blood when the issue was settled by a trial of arms in the middle of the next century. I would have to say the war decided the question which had been left unresolved in the original, proving that sometimes fighting does settle things in a definitive way. If I had lived in the South in 1850-1860 or in the Northeast during the Embargo Act, I would certainly not have dismissed it out of hand as impossible under the Constitution as it existed then. Whether it was a sound idea economically and politically is a whole different question, of course.
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For all the genius embodied in the Constitution, they pretty much screwed the pooch on that point, leading to rivers of blood when the issue was settled by a trial of arms in the middle of the next century.
If trends continue, they'll repeat themselves soon.
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If it is "just the Democrats" the rookie will learn the gross errors of his elitist ways. There is no way on God's green earth that the Democrats whose seats are vulnerable -- and know damn well the audience at their town meetings were THEIR OWN EXTREMELY PISSED OFF CONSTITUENTS -- are going to vote for this.
No freakin way.
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If it is "just the Democrats" the rookie will learn the gross errors of his elitist ways. There is no way on God's green earth that the Democrats whose seats are vulnerable -- and know damn well the audience at their town meetings were THEIR OWN EXTREMELY PISSED OFF CONSTITUENTS -- are going to vote for this.
No freakin way.
You threadgetteronbacktracker.
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What does it tell you that when a party has control of both houses of Congress and the Presidency and yet can't get a bill passed without the help of the minority party? Can anyone here say Massive failure and incompetence? I hope that not only is this PRESBO's waterloo but that of the media as well.
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What does it tell you that when a party has control of both houses of Congress and the Presidency and yet can't get a bill passed without the help of the minority party? Can anyone here say Massive failure and incompetence? I hope that not only is this PRESBO's Waterloo but that of the meda as well.
Hopefully, there will be bigger and better failures to come for the Obama administration... we still have three years and five months left of this sad sack.
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What does it tell you that when a party has control of both houses of Congress and the Presidency and yet can't get a bill passed without the help of the minority party? Can anyone here say Massive failure and incompetence? I hope that not only is this PRESBO's waterloo but that of the media as well.
Its not the need for votes, but a need for a scapegoat... As always.
Success = Obama's brilliant leadership.
Failure = Republican's messed it all up.
To anyone who listened to the radio interview today - Obama made it clear that;
TARP = Republican - but made better by Democrats.
ARRA = Republican - but made better by Democrats.
Auto Bailout = Republican - but made better by Democrats.
See the pattern ?