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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-25-08 12:06 PM
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U.S. underreports Iraqi civilian deaths - While Press Gives Americans What They WANT To Hear. Updated at 12:06 PM
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Article published Feb 24, 2008
U.S. underreports Iraqi civilian deaths
Wallace Roberts
The U.S. Air Force dropped six times as many bombs in Iraq last year as it did in 2006, 1,447 compared to 229, according to an announcement in mid-January by Air Force Col. Gary Crowder, commander of the 609th Combined Air Operations Center in Southwest Asia, as reported in The Washington Post.
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It's a controversial field. When Gen. David H. Petraeus testified before Congress in September that the escalation of the war in Iraq was going well, he used a graph indicating that the number of civilians killed since the invasion in 2003 until August 2007 was about 37,500. Two days after this testimony, a British opinion polling company released the results of its own study which put the number of civilian deaths between 1 and 1.2 million, 32 times the Pentagon figure.
Although Petraeus's appearance before Congress was covered extensively in the major U.S. media, there was almost no mention of the British study except for a short article on the inside pages of the Los Angeles Times. The survey, by Opinion Research Business, which has done several opinion surveys in Iraq since 2005, was ignored by the major daily newspapers and network news programs. In fact, despite their failure to carry stories about the ORB findings, the Washington Post and the New York Times nevertheless a few days later devoted considerable space to the issue of civilian deaths in Iraq, but cited only U.S. military and Iraqi government sources, both of which have a vested interest in minimizing the numbers.
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To refuse to be aware of the consequences of America's wars is not just denial, it's delusional. By failing to report scientific evidence of a million civilian deaths in Iraq, the press is just giving Americans what they want to hear. We are able to fabricate this collective delusion because we accept on faith the idea that America is an exception among the nations of the world and that our good intentions are proof of virtue.
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more at:
http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20...
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You DUmb****s believe a figure that is a total lie but give Saddam Hussein, who really did murder millions of people, a free pass. :bird:
gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-25-08 12:12 PM
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1. 1.2 million civilian deaths
Remember how batshit crazy America went when 3,000 civilians were killed on our soil? The U.S. equivalent to 1.2 million Iraqi deaths would be about 12 million Americans. Should we be at all surprised at some time in the not-too-distant future if someone exacts a little revenge on us for our national policy of death and destruction? Or will it just be more terrorists who hate us for our freedom?
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-25-08 12:14 PM
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2. Genocide for oil
History will not forgive Bush.
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What the hell are you smoking, DUmbass? :bird:
Selatius (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-25-08 12:18 PM
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3. The US news media has a vested interest in NOT reporting civilian casualties.
Edited on Mon Feb-25-08 12:22 PM by Selatius
Take, for instance, NBC and MSNBC. They are owned by defense giant General Electric. Whenever there is a war or demand for military goods goes up as they have with Iraq, General Electric gets billion-dollar contracts and thus dividends for shareholders.
If they reported the findings that over a million Iraqis have died, it may actually shorten American involvement in Iraq, thus costing General Electric an unknown but likely large quantity of future profits that can be had if the war is prolonged.
If foreigners ask you why Americans let themselves get involved in another Vietnam, simply say that your boss thought the money was just too good. War is truly profitable for some powerful people. Your son is worth more as cannon fodder to Wall Street than he is alive.
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While Press Gives Americans What They WANT To Hear.
That damn kaput primitive..........
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kpete (1000+ posts) Mon Feb-25-08 12:06 PM
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U.S. underreports Iraqi civilian deaths - While Press Gives Americans What They WANT To Hear.
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Article published Feb 24, 2008
U.S. underreports Iraqi civilian deaths
Wallace Roberts
The U.S. Air Force dropped six times as many bombs in Iraq last year as it did in 2006, 1,447 compared to 229, according to an announcement in mid-January by Air Force Col. Gary Crowder, commander of the 609th Combined Air Operations Center in Southwest Asia, as reported in The Washington Post.
...............
It's a controversial field. When Gen. David H. Petraeus testified before Congress in September that the escalation of the war in Iraq was going well, he used a graph indicating that the number of civilians killed since the invasion in 2003 until August 2007 was about 37,500. Two days after this testimony, a British opinion polling company released the results of its own study which put the number of civilian deaths between 1 and 1.2 million, 32 times the Pentagon figure.
Although Petraeus's appearance before Congress was covered extensively in the major U.S. media, there was almost no mention of the British study except for a short article on the inside pages of the Los Angeles Times. The survey, by Opinion Research Business, which has done several opinion surveys in Iraq since 2005, was ignored by the major daily newspapers and network news programs. In fact, despite their failure to carry stories about the ORB findings, the Washington Post and the New York Times nevertheless a few days later devoted considerable space to the issue of civilian deaths in Iraq, but cited only U.S. military and Iraqi government sources, both of which have a vested interest in minimizing the numbers.
..............
To refuse to be aware of the consequences of America's wars is not just denial, it's delusional. By failing to report scientific evidence of a million civilian deaths in Iraq, the press is just giving Americans what they want to hear. We are able to fabricate this collective delusion because we accept on faith the idea that America is an exception among the nations of the world and that our good intentions are proof of virtue.
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more at:
http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20...
What an idiot
gratuitous (1000+ posts) Mon Feb-25-08 12:12 PM
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1. 1.2 million civilian deaths
Remember how batshit crazy America went when 3,000 civilians were killed on our soil? The U.S. equivalent to 1.2 million Iraqi deaths would be about 12 million Americans. Should we be at all surprised at some time in the not-too-distant future if someone exacts a little revenge on us for our national policy of death and destruction? Or will it just be more terrorists who hate us for our freedom?
:bird: Remember don't question their patriotism
malaise (1000+ posts) Mon Feb-25-08 12:14 PM
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2. Genocide for oil
History will not forgive Bush.
:bird:
Selatius (1000+ posts) Mon Feb-25-08 12:18 PM
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3. The US news media has a vested interest in NOT reporting civilian casualties.
Edited on Mon Feb-25-08 12:22 PM by Selatius
Take, for instance, NBC and MSNBC. They are owned by defense giant General Electric. Whenever there is a war or demand for military goods goes up as they have with Iraq, General Electric gets billion-dollar contracts and thus dividends for shareholders.
If they reported the findings that over a million Iraqis have died, it may actually shorten American involvement in Iraq, thus costing General Electric an unknown but likely large quantity of future profits that can be had if the war is prolonged.
If foreigners ask you why Americans let themselves get involved in another Vietnam, simply say that your boss thought the money was just too good. War is truly profitable for some powerful people. Your son is worth more as cannon fodder to Wall Street than he is alive.
:bird: you piece of shit
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Sorry, but I don't consider taking a poll a "scientific" method of counting deaths, especially when a good portion of those polled may be hostile towards the U.S. and its mission. You don't think they'd exaggerate or out-and-out lie about it, do you? Naaaaaah. :whatever:
BTW, what's the margin of error in that study, +/-90%?
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Sorry, but I don't consider taking a poll a "scientific" method of counting deaths, especially when a good portion of those polled may be hostile towards the U.S. and its mission. You don't think they'd exaggerate or out-and-out lie about it, do you? Naaaaaah. :whatever:
BTW, what's the margin of error in that study, +/-90%?
Dandi, you have to remember this . . .
The ends justify the means.
That's the mantra.
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I read on the internets that the USA killed 20 million Iraqis.
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IBC places the number in between 81K and 88K. Now, this is over a 5 year period, taking ALL Iraq war deaths in order that being terrorists, insurgents, Ba'ath and Fedayeen as well as civilians. And also to note.... a lot of those deaths have been made BY THE TERRORISTS!
The DUmmies of course just love to blame America and Bush. If we weren't there, I'm sure it'd all be rainbows and sunshine with Unkie Saddam handing out lollipops to the kids in the street. :whatever:
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IBC places the number in between 81K and 88K. Now, this is over a 5 year period, taking ALL Iraq war deaths in order that being terrorists, insurgents, Ba'ath and Fedayeen as well as civilians. And also to note.... a lot of those deaths have been made BY THE TERRORISTS!
The DUmmies of course just love to blame America and Bush. If we weren't there, I'm sure it'd all be rainbows and sunshine with Unkie Saddam handing out lollipops to the kids in the street. :whatever:
Yep. The DUmb****s love dictators and murderers. In fact, the DUmb****s are stupid enough to call al queda, hezbollah, hamas and all the other terrorist groups operating in iraq "resistance fighters."
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IBC places the number in between 81K and 88K. Now, this is over a 5 year period, taking ALL Iraq war deaths in order that being terrorists, insurgents, Ba'ath and Fedayeen as well as civilians. And also to note.... a lot of those deaths have been made BY THE TERRORISTS!
The DUmmies of course just love to blame America and Bush. If we weren't there, I'm sure it'd all be rainbows and sunshine with Unkie Saddam handing out lollipops to the kids in the street. :whatever:
Yep. The DUmb****s love dictators and murderers. In fact, the DUmb****s are stupid enough to call al queda, hezbollah, hamas and all the other terrorist groups operating in iraq "resistance fighters."
Of course. It's the Marxist-Islamic Alliance. And I'm not talking about Wrestlemania with the Iron Sheik and Nikoli Volkof here.
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1.2 million Iraqi deaths
Not this shit again. This number is so easily debunked using simple math that... well, I was going to say that it's surprising that any of them still believe it, but these guys fail even at simple math, so I guess it's not surprising. I worked the math out at the end of January. Here's what I posted on my blog:
This is from a fellow member of Conservative Underground:
365 days x 5 years = 365 x 5 = 1825, so we take one million divided by 1825 = 547.94 deaths per day
January 2008 = 547.94 x 7 x 4 = 15342.32 dead in the last four weeks..... and no one noticed?
There are lies, there are damned lies, there are statistics..and then there's this load of droppings.....
In actuality, the study is through August 19, 2007. That means there are 1,613 days between the start of the war (March 20, 2003) and the end of study. That would make the casualty figure an average of about 620 deaths per day, about 4,340 per week, or about 17,360 per month (4 weeks). "And no one noticed?" indeed! Apparently all these deaths are happening well out of the view of the numerous international reporters in the country.
http://shockandblog.blogspot.com/2008/01/1-million-iraqi-deaths-based-on-opinion.html
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Sorry, but I don't consider taking a poll a "scientific" method of counting deaths, especially when a good portion of those polled may be hostile towards the U.S. and its mission. You don't think they'd exaggerate or out-and-out lie about it, do you? Naaaaaah. :whatever:
BTW, what's the margin of error in that study, +/-90%?
http://shockandblog.blogspot.com/2008/01/1-million-iraqi-deaths-based-on-opinion.html
This is from a fellow member of Conservative Underground:
365 days x 5 years = 365 x 5 = 1825, so we take one million divided by 1825 = 547.94 deaths per day
January 2008 = 547.94 x 7 x 4 = 15342.32 dead in the last four weeks..... and no one noticed?
There are lies, there are damned lies, there are statistics..and then there's this load of droppings.....
In actuality, the study is through August 19, 2007. That means there are 1,613 days between the start of the war (March 20, 2003) and the end of study. That would make the casualty figure an average of about 620 deaths per day, about 4,340 per week, or about 17,360 per month (4 weeks). "And no one noticed?" indeed! Apparently all these deaths are happening well out of the view of the numerous international reporters in the country.