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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: GOBUCKS on August 09, 2009, 10:57:52 AM
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samrock (231 posts) Sun Aug-09-09 11:36 AM
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Why, oh WHY doesn't our side in the health care debate
respond to the cries ... " You want the government involved with making our heath care decisions???" with... What!?!?! You want insurance companies and drug companies making all those decisions and setting up the ground rules!?!?!?! You really like the idea of your health being treated as a commodity on their profit/loss statements??? At least government officials have to answer to us the voters... Insurance/drug companies just have to answer to their share holders..
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Great argument, DUmmy samrock! Something essential like medical care should be provided only by government employees. What about other things just as essential? How about food? How about clothing? How about housing? How about all manufacturing? Raw materials? Why should any of those things be provided by someone with a profit motive? Why should we depend on anything at all that has profit attached to it?
The shining success of the Eastern Bloc during the last half of the 20th century guides the 21st century democrat party.
Let's hope this DUmmy's point of view gets more exposure. It illustrates what they want, and medical care is just the tip of the iceberg.
harun (1000+ posts) Sun Aug-09-09 11:42 AM
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3. That is THE ARGUMENT to be making. Obama's people should be flooding
the weekend talks shows with that talking point. Everyone I have talked with about health care has brought up the same point.
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How we make healthcare a matter you and your doctor decide?
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It's still an economy of scarcity either way. With free enterprise, the access to a limited resource is governed by price; with the government stepping in, no more is available, so the access is limited by other factors, such as a decision-maker looking at things like remaining life expectancy, location, affirmative action issues, and similar things. Either way a like number of people get hosed, and a like number of people benefit. With free enterprise, you don't have the additional freight of a giant government bureaucracy unlimited by cost, competition, service quality, or effectiveness larded onto the whole thing as overhead, though.
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Hey, DUmbass Little Goons!
As I've stated many times before - and I will state many times again - I will forever want the condition of my health to be an asset to profit-motivated ambitious individuals and corporations, and never a liability to an unconcerned same-outcome bureau of government.
I really cannot grasp how mentally stunted and immature one has to be to actually crave socialistic government intrusions into something so basically personal and private as routine medical attention. It boggles the rational mind.
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Hey, DUmbass Little Goons!
As I've stated many times before - and I will state many times again - I will forever want the condition of my health to be an asset to profit-motivated ambitious individuals and corporations, and never a liability to an unconcerned same-outcome bureau of government.
I really cannot grasp how mentally stunted and immature one has to be to actually crave socialistic government intrusions into something so basically personal and private as routine medical attention. It boggles the rational mind.
And there is the problem . . . DUmb**** minds are . . . well, not minds. More along the lines of two brain cells waving goodbye to each other.
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samrock (231 posts) Sun Aug-09-09 11:36 AM
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Why, oh WHY doesn't our side in the health care debate
respond to the cries ... " You want the government involved with making our heath care decisions???" with... What!?!?! You want insurance companies and drug companies making all those decisions and setting up the ground rules!?!?!?! You really like the idea of your health being treated as a commodity on their profit/loss statements??? At least government officials have to answer to us the voters... Insurance/drug companies just have to answer to their share holders..
Holy smoke, How stupid is this one? Yeah, maybe a politician gets voted out, rarely, now and again, but it happens. However government bureaucrats do not get fired and are not more than marginally accountable to anybody. Thanks to unions and congressional regulation it once took a supervisor eight months to can an employee that was addicted to heroin. That's just a piece of stupidity I know about.
Stop and think DUmmies, a bureacrat screws up and you and your family have absolutely no recourse. None whatsoever, they will never feel any result of their action. Think about that, if you can prove negligence or malfeasance by the insurance company, you can receive damages and force the company to correct it's policies and personel. Do you think you will have that recourse with the government providing your insurance? Really?
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samrock (231 posts) Sun Aug-09-09 11:36 AM
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At least government officials have to answer to us the voters... Insurance/drug companies just have to answer to their share holders..
Once again, the DUmmies show their lack of understanding in all things commercial. If a company doesn't make their customers happy, the customer goes to another company. Further, unlike with government, the customer doesn't have to wait on 51% of the company's other customers to get pissed off enough to change.
I can change insurance companies with a phone call. In changing government I am subjected to the whims of the asshats on the coasts.