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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: GOBUCKS on August 06, 2009, 02:25:24 PM
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godai (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-03-09 10:36 AM
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Nissan Leaf (electric car) available next year.
Nissan has just unveiled a new zero emissions vehicle that is slated to go on sale in Japan, Europe and the United States next year. Called the LEAF, this C-segment (sub-compact) car is powered by an electric motor and lithium-ion battery packs. Nissan says it will be able to drive 100 miles on a single charge. The batteries will be able to be charged up to 80 percent in less than 30 minutes with a special quick charger, or in roughly eight hours through a standard 200V outlet. Nissan says that through extensive research the 100 mile range will be suitable for 70 percent of car buyers.
Output from the lithium-ion battery packs is rated at 80kW/280Nm, (107-hp and 207 ft-lbs of torque), which should make this sub-compact a sporty little car.
Pricing has yet to be released but Nissan aims to give the LEAF an MSRP competitive with well-equipped C-segment cars. That should put it near the $20,000 mark. The car will also qualify for government rebates and tax incentives desigend to help promote the sale of fuel-efficient cars.
“Our car had to be the world’s first, medium-sized, practical EV that motorists could afford and would want to use every day. And that’s what we’ve created. The styling will identify not only Nissan LEAF but also the owner as a participant in the new era of zero-emission mobility,†said the LEAF product boss Masato Inoue.
The first LEAFs will be built at Nissan’s plant in Oppama, Japan with plans to also start production soon at the company’s Smyrna, Tennessee plant. The LEAF is the first of three electric vehicles that Nissan plans to launch in the next few years.
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2009/08/breaking-nis...
http://www.nissanusa.com/leaf-electric-car/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6208245
What will they think of next? A $20,000 car that can go 100 miles (your mileage may vary), and then only take a half-hour to refuel. And it will be spacious enough for a passenger or two bags of groceries!
redqueen (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-03-09 10:43 AM
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1. I want one!
I'm going to wait for one of the jug-eared Kenyan's car companies to come out with their version. I hear government marketing experts are planning to call it the "POS". It will be so gentle on the planet! Of course, we can't allow any more electricity generating plants to be built. If we use batteries to run our cars, we don't need old-fashioned electricity, right?
Robb (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-03-09 11:03 AM
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3. Not too bad
...Although someone tell me what the HELL is going on with the rear end of that car.
No, DUmmy Robb, I'm sorry, but it is indeed bad.
RockaFowler (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-03-09 11:05 AM
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4. Wow!! I want one
I could deal with 100 miles. It's 50 miles one way to work for me. This would fit in perfectly for me.
Can someone go pick up DUmmy RockaFowler? And he needs his golf cart towed to a charging station, please.
godai (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-03-09 11:09 AM
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5. And, they're setting up 30 min quick charge stations.
Each car has GPS indicating a nearby quick charge station, if you're getting low on charge. I've read where Nissan is working with states to setup quick charge networks.
100 miles = good commuter. Hopefully that's in real miles, not industry miles.
You mean you only need to spend a half-hour fueling, and then you're ready for nearly two hours back on the road? (If there is always a charging station exactly where you want it.)
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This makes about as much sense as that DUmbass that protested with a sign that read, "Who needs oil? I ride the bus". Where do these goons thing the power comes from that recharges this little piece of shit?
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The DUmpmonkies fail to realize that even if it is a true "zero-emission" vehicle, the production and disposal of the batteries is anything but gentle on mother earth.
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If I lived in a 'burb and had a 10- or 15-mile commute each way, I'd give it serious consideration. But, it's an urban-life car, and I'm a rural-life guy, it's not of any utility to me.
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The ugly truth about the electric and hybrids are the batteries. They don't last long, are very expensive, and GASP worse for the environment than burning oil.
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RockaFowler (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-03-09 11:05 AM
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4. Wow!! I want one
I could deal with 100 miles. It's 50 miles one way to work for me. This would fit in perfectly for me.
I hope you don't have any traffic jams, even minor ones, or you'll be pushing that thing for those last couple of miles.
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The ugly truth about the electric and hybrids are the batteries. They don't last long, are very expensive, and GASP worse for the environment than burning oil.
In my experience, golf carts that run on rechargeable batteries require far more maintenance than gas powered carts. Maintaining the batteries is a giant pain, and the things seem to break down more often.
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This makes about as much sense as that DUmbass that protested with a sign that read, "Who needs oil? I ride the bus". Where do these goons thing the power comes from that recharges this little piece of shit?
From a hole in the ground and the evil oil companies own those too.
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I hope you don't have any traffic jams, even minor ones, or you'll be pushing that thing for those last couple of miles.
On the bright side - that would do wonders for his waistline and cardio.
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This makes about as much sense as that DUmbass that protested with a sign that read, "Who needs oil? I ride the bus". Where do these goons thing the power comes from that recharges this little piece of shit?
Imagine the impact of several tens of millions of extra consumers being added to the power grid if even a moderate fraction of the population were to use this technology.
We'd have to build a bunch of new whale oil coal burners just so these clowns can trick themselves into believing they're "making a difference".
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RockaFowler (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-03-09 11:05 AM
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4. Wow!! I want one
I could deal with 100 miles. It's 50 miles one way to work for me. This would fit in perfectly for me.
RockaFowler=Soup Sandwich
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RockaFowler (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-03-09 11:05 AM
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4. Wow!! I want one
I could deal with 100 miles. It's 50 miles one way to work for me. This would fit in perfectly for me.
Jesus. And to think this individual's vote counts as much as the vote of people who know how to breathe through their noses.
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In my experience, golf carts that run on rechargeable batteries require far more maintenance than gas powered carts. Maintaining the batteries is a giant pain, and the things seem to break down more often.
Those batteries have to be replaced every few years too. Imagine 100 million large battery packs in the landfill every year or three. An environmental nightmare
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Those batteries have to be replaced every few years too. Imagine 100 million large battery packs in the landfill every year or three. An environmental nightmare
Typical DUmmie/bureaucrat thinking....
Can't see the forest for the trees, but that doesn't matter, they like trees....
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Typical DUmmie/bureaucrat thinking....
Can't see the forest for the trees, but that doesn't matter, they like trees....
Ren - "How are we ever gonna find a tree with this stupid forest in the way?"
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Classic DUmmie thread. :-)
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How amny new power plants we going to need to support the electric car market? coal or Nuc?
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How amny new power plants we going to need to support the electric car market? coal or Nuc?
Whale oil.
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Whale oil.
Hippies.
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Whale oil.
Still trying to figure out where baby oil comes from.
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Still trying to figure out where baby oil comes from.
Baby seals.
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Those batteries have to be replaced every few years too. Imagine 100 million large battery packs in the landfill every year or three. An environmental nightmare
To be fair...95% off all regular car batteries are recycled. I wonder if these would be also.
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Aren't these lithium ion batteries? I'm not sure, have to check with the battery NCOIC, but I don't think they can be recycled the way lead-acid can. They're more like the batteries in laptop computers and cell phones, and are hazmat upon disposal. (well, so are lead-acid, but those don't explode when you get them wet)
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Aren't these lithium ion batteries? I'm not sure, have to check with the battery NCOIC, but I don't think they can be recycled the way lead-acid can. They're more like the batteries in laptop computers and cell phones, and are hazmat upon disposal. (well, so are lead-acid, but those don't explode when you get them wet)
I'm not sure of the exact matrix they use but it sure isn't the traditional lead-acid deal that are used for most large volume storage applications today.
Lead - Acid are actually quite easy to recycle.
Li-Ion not so much.
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You can ask questions about the car on the website. :evillaugh:
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Cost and ease of battery recycling is really an issue of economies of scale. If the number of different battery technologies is limited to one or two, and a sufficiently large number of vehicles using it are on the road, then the recycling will be there for it. With limited scale and small mass, like laptops, then it's pretty limited and a lot of it ends up in the hazmat landfill.
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The democrats want to outlaw the element lead, as a backdoor attack on gun ownership.
So lead-acid batteries have to go.
Just like their overall attacks on American business and the American lifestyle, it's camouflaged as a plea for "the good of the planet".