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The Bar => The Lounge => Topic started by: Carl on August 03, 2009, 07:24:30 AM
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Got this message from him and permission to make it public.
He has been trying to contact someone just to let folks know but is very humble so didn`t want to seem to be trying to seek attention.
It's okay for this to be public,
About 3:00 p.m. Sunday afternoon, central time, while I was in fact logged on here, I began coughing a lot. A lot. At first, I dimiissed it was perhaps the onset of a cold or something like that, but about half an hour later, when I brushed my nose, my hand was splattered with rich red pure blood.
I ran and got a paper towel, and coughed into it; again, rich red pure blood. It was easy to cough, because I was swallowing blood, lots of it. By the time I had a large bath-towel stained with rich red pure bood, I decided ooops, I should do something about it.
I was gagging on blood.
After putting out more food and water for the cats, I drove to the neighbors, and scared the Hell out of his wife. I have no idea what I looked like, but allegedly the whole bottom half of my face was bloody, blood dripping down the chin, and the front of the shirt all bloody.
I wanted the neighbor or his wife just to drive me to the hospital in Norfolk (Nebraska), as I wasn't going to make it on my own, but the neighbor with his foot on my chest summoned the ambulance to take me.
I lost a Hell of a lot of blood.
As it turned out, the blood pressure had mysteriously erupted like a dormant volcano--there had been no indication of any prior problem, busting many of the major blood vessels inside the nose, and I was swallowing this stuff, whatever wasn't pouring out. The blood pressure when taken upon arrival at the hospital was 312/240, enough to do that, at least in this body.
I was kept in the emergency room and drugged up to bring the pressure down. I protested at the use of chemical pharmaceuticals (the physician there didn't know me), and there was a compromise, in which I took half the usual dosage of three pharmaceuticals.
I had lost a lot of blood, and for a bit, a tranusion was considered, until it was decided no, my body could take it.
I was kept there until past 11:30 p.m., until the blood pressure was back down within reasonable boundaries, and since I'm the sort who follows directions, was allowed to go home.
I'm really in wretched shape, and have been advised to take it easy for some days. So I think I'll sleep all day tomorrow (Monday), and see how it goes from there.
This was, like, a total surprise.
Out of nowhere.
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OMG!!!!!! Thank you for posting and letting us know. That is scary!
Frank, feel better and take it easy okay? We are worried about you!
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Take it easy there fellow.....sleep all day today, tonight and tomorrow if it'll help.
Relax, breath deep, we'll keep an eye on Obama for you.
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Get better Frank, this place isn't the same without you.
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Many prayers for a speedy recovery, Frank, Take care of yourself!
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Thanks, all.
I was just trying to reach somebody, anybody, to let them know, because it gets lonely.
In real life, someone is coming here at 8:00 a.m. and 11:00 a.m. (central time), because I'm still out of it, although not because of any drugs. I'm pretty beat up and tired.
It was a surprise, right out of the blue. No warning whatsoever.
But this too shall pass, and thank you to everybody.
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Good Lord, Frank, that's quite alarming. Do you have any idea what could have caused the drastic increase in BP? Were you reading something uniquely and epically stupid at DU that day?
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Thanks, all.
I was just trying to reach somebody, anybody, to let them know, because it gets lonely.
In real life, someone is coming here at 8:00 a.m. and 11:00 a.m. (central time), because I'm still out of it, although not because of any drugs. I'm pretty beat up and tired.
It was a surprise, right out of the blue. No warning whatsoever.
But this too shall pass, and thank you to everybody.
Jesus Frank! Really glad you have someone coming over to look after you. Coughing up blood is not a good thing! How long have you smoked? That doesn't sound good! Prayers for you my friend!
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Yikes, sorry to hear the news Frank. Hope you're feeling better soon.
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BP that high is whew, over the top (needless to say).
Glad things are under control so far, especially without the transfusion.
Sounds like rest and recovery are in order, along with some kind of attempt to figure out what triggered the high BP.
Get well soon, sir. :cheersmate:
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Good Lord! We're falling to pieces!
That cough-cough-cough thing is what woke me out of my sleep on Thursday night, July 16 - 17. The difference was, I was going into respiratory failure at that time, being brought about by heart failure. My BP registered around where yours did Sunday.
Take care and rest a lot. I'll be resting until at least January.
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Good Lord, Frank, that's quite alarming. Do you have any idea what could have caused the drastic increase in BP? Were you reading something uniquely and epically stupid at DU that day?
No, no idea.
Actually, at the time I was reading conservativecave, and a biography of the founder of the Singer Sewing Machine company, nothing extraordinary.
I go back to the big city on Tuesday, to learn more, because this was highly unusual, and practically a volcanic eruption. It even alarmed the cats.
Someone was just here, and someone else is coming by about 11:00 a.m.
I am just very tired, but not sleepy. Sort of really spaced. I was given three prescriptions, but gave back two of them, and insisted that the dosage on the third one be halved. I was not too fond of having nitroglycerin shoved into me; I was unknown to all who were at the hospital at the time, and it took a while to convince them that I am a competent adult, after which they didn't even give me a glass of water without first telling me what it was, and what it was for.
I actually got the impression they liked working on a competent adult.
The worst part was that halfway through the evening, I needed to empty the bladder. I finally got to, but not nearly until the bladder was nearly bursting. When I first started coughing, I did the "water treatment," and downed quite a bit of plain ordinary water before deciding water wouldn't hack it. The kidneys and bladder work fine, of course.
The usual aggravation, that happens when one deals with people who don't know who one is. They kept asking me a lot of questions, many of which I couldn't grasp, and I kept indicating they should talk to my neighbor, not me, because he has ears and can hear. He knew what was going on as much as I did, and most importantly could understand the questions being asked.
That all straightened out, in the end, the last hour or so, they asked him, not me, and gave the diagnosis (preliminary), instructions, orders, and appointments to him, not me, which is what I wanted them to do. He could explain it all to me later, under conditions more favorable to my "hearing" him.
I fully understand why medical professionas prefer--and in fact need--the first-hand information from the individual involved, but there's this, uh, problem here. I wish I could just go in, and pointing, say, "Okay, I'm deaf, I can't hear you, and so this person speaks and listens for me."
I lost a lot of blood, good, rich, red blood, and of course the automobile still has some of it. A lot of blood vessels and a couple of major arteries inside of me just broke. They thought they might have to stitch a couple of them close, or something, but because the pressure keep declining at a good steady rate, they decided no.
The "theory" is extreme stress, a whole lifetime of it, and as one gets older, of course things wear out, break down. I was asked why I have this (lifetime) habit of not letting things out, keeping them inside, to which I had to give my standard answer, that things that bother me have no names, and so I can't articulate them.
For now, t wander around the house, sort of cleaning up. I imagine in a bit I'll go outdoors and clean up the interior of the motor vehicle. The cats still seem discombobulated.
But alas until things are more in order, I suppose I'll have to stay away from watching the primitives on Skins's island, my major source of entertainment. I'm really hoping, very badly, that GOBUCKS and others can keep the DUmpster running, as about I feel like doing is reading it, not posting, or getting out the boat to bring over a bonfire.
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Glad to hear you are back home. Look after yourself Frank and get well soon.
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Frank, I know you are against meds unless absolutely neccesary, but don't turn them down completely if they can help...we want you around for a good long time!
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Frank, I know you are against meds unless absolutely neccesary, but don't turn them down completely if they can help...we want you around for a good long time!
Yes! What she said! Some drugs are good drugs, Life saving drugs. Necessary drugs.
Phew! Please do whatever you have to do to stay well, would you? You give us angst, agita when you become seriously ill. I'm glad you're home!
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Dear God, please watch over our dear friend, Frank, and restore his health to proper working order.
As for you, Frank....the car can wait to be cleaned up. Rest, try to relax and follow the doctor's orders. There are a great many people who care about you, and we want you to stay healthy!
<<<<hugs>>>> to you, my friend.
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Wow, Frank, and here I thought mine was high at 125/172!!!!
I hope you find out how to deal with HBP without drugs. But if you have to be on meds, stay away from Lotrel, or any from that "family". They made me feel like a drugged out zombie and gave be a bloated abdomen.
Diovan HCT 160 (potasium booster) seems to be working pretty well for me. If you need to boost Potasium eat bannanas and use suppliments.
Get well soon.
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Glad you are home resting. If you have to take nitroglycerin again, it may give you a really bad headache....that's farily common. If it does, take plain aspirin and a coke or something with caffeine in it. That's a common remedy, recommended by doctors, for the unpleasant side effect from the nitroglycerin.
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....the car can wait to be cleaned up. Rest, try to relax and follow the doctor's orders. There are a great many people who care about you, and we want you to stay healthy!
The 11:00 visitor came right as I got done cleaning up the inside of the car.
And damn, I'm going to the big city with him for a 2:00 appointment today; I was told to wait two weeks, but he went ahead and made an appointment for today, because he thinks the blood pressure hasn't de-escalated enough yet, and his contention being I should be in the hospital for observation, not home here, especially since this was an event out of the blue.
This is not the neighbor, who was here at 8:00 a.m., but someone from town, an EMT.
I just want to stay here, relax, rest, and follow medical orders.
It's really starting to get to the cats, too.
I would just as soon wait until Tuesday, which is only tomorrow after all, when I get the "official" diagnosis. I don't travel well when in this sort of condition, and an extra trip is just going to heighten things, not lower them.
I'll report back later, confident that it's good news.
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Please let us know. I am concerned about you. I know you know your own body better than anyone but I'm concerned nonetheless.
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Frank, I'd take my cue from the cats...if they are uneasy, they probably sense that something isn't right with you. GO with the EMT, get checked out. My guess is you are still feeling poorly from blood loss, and a still elevated blood pressure.
Please keep us updated as you are able to.
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Do what the cats tell you to. :tongue:
Damn, that's scary. Sounds like everyone is falling apart... I get nothing but bad news from my family.
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Hang tough Frank. You now have a place on the list since I was able to mostly remove LU.
KC
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I concur with the cats, Frank. Hopefully you're getting medical attention.
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Holy crap Frank! I was all scared and stuff. DON'T :hammer: EVER :hammer: DO :hammer: THAT :hammer: AGAIN!!!!! :hammer:
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I got back from the big city about 3:00 p.m. central time, 2:00 p.m. mountain time.
I'm just sitting around, being bored and frustrated.
The physician, who has to wait a couple of days yet to get the stuff from the hospital, and so can't really do anything at the moment, did however confirm something that couldn't be confirmed at the hospital.
He stuck all sorts of things through the nose and down the thoat and said, uh-huh, that's exactly what happened, a spontaneous bursting-open of major and minor blood veins in there; he said "the dam broke," and big time.
He was not satisfied with the "mild" prescription the physician at the hospital had given me, at my request, and so added a second one. I'm not sure; I'm going to watch this closely. The peak blood-pressure (at the hospital) had been 412/264, at which point I was given that stupid nitroglycerin and needles inserted for transfusions (which were never needed). When this physician checked the blood-pressure today, it registered 185/100 (my "average" the past several years has been 170-175/70-74).
That's still of course too high, especially the lower number, but that's way down from the peak, and at the time I had taken only one of the pills prescribed by the physician at the hospital. I am not supposed to start these new pills until the morning, but I'm going to watch really closely, to see what the first pills do, after I take a second one tonight, and a third one in the morning.
If that bottom number gets down to 70-75 after three pills, I don't see any point in taking this second one. We'll see how it goes. And as usual, if a medical professional (in real life, not here on the internet) disagrees, I guess I shall acquiesce with as good graces as possible, and take both.
There was something left on the front porch when I got home.
I had taken, on the ambulance and into the hospital, several blood-drenched large bath towels, for whatever reasons, like Linus with his security blanket. There were seven of them, and I hung onto them for dear life.
Near the end, while the blood-pressure was still declining, a nurse picked them up off the floor and suggested they be tossed. The neighbor said yeah, sure, throw them away. At which I protested. They were perfectly good towels and just needed washed. It would be a waste just to toss them. But the nurse threw them away anyway.
When I got home, there was a stack of brand new large bath towels on the front porch, put there by only God knows.
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Wow Frank that had to have been scary as hell. Glad that things have worked out for the better. Just rest and follow the orders as best you can.
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According to what I have found I think you set the world record for highest blood pressure ever recorded! :o Seriously get your medical records and send them to Guinness Book of World Records! You could be even more world famous than you already are! :bow:
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Looks like your Guardian Angel didn't want you to stress over the bath towels!
As much as I hate to admit it....doctors do ...for the most part....prescribe necessary medicine - particularly with that kind of blood pressure. I seriously doubt that it was prescribed just to make sure they didn't get sued.
Please, please consider taking it the way you are supposed to.....at least until the results are back and the doctor tells you why this happened.
Cats are very sensitive to our "ills"....it's like they are able to sense that there is a problem. They might be your best health barometer until the results are in.
You continue to be on my prayer list....<<<<hugs>>>>to you.
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According to what I have found I think you set the world record for highest blood pressure ever recorded! :o Seriously get your medical records and send them to Guinness Book of World Records! You could be even more world famous than you already are! :bow:
I am NOT 100% sure that was the reading.
It looked like the reading, but I was hazy when seeing it, among other numbers on a computer screen (it was the only number with a "/" on it). That was when the nitroglycerin pill was suddenly jammed into me before I was told what it was about.
I'm pretty sure it said "412/264," but not 100% sure. Just pretty sure.
It's probably on the medical records, but the medical records are real new at the moment, and it might take some days to learn what it was.
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Coach, don't be a DUmbass regarding pharmaceuticals. As used by the DUmmies, they destroy lives. As prescribed by competent physicians, they save lives.
I've had two close friends who suffered from high blood pressure, both of whom were never conscientious about taking medication as prescribed. They both died suddenly in their sixties, one with a heart attack, the other a stroke. And that is not a bouncy story. They don't call high blood pressure the silent killer without reason. But it's a killer that can be defeated by medication.
With the kind of blood pressure you describe, that soil scientist could literally be a femme fatale.
Take all the medication they offer, being philosophically opposed to it isn't worth dying for.
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Coach, don't be a DUmbass regarding pharmaceuticals. As used by the DUmmies, they destroy lives. As prescribed by competent physicians, they save lives.
I've had two close friends who suffered from high blood pressure, both of whom were never conscientious about taking medication as prescribed. They both died suddenly in their sixties, one with a heart attack, the other a stroke. And that is not a bouncy story. They don't call high blood pressure the silent killer without reason. But it's a killer that can be defeated by medication.
With the kind of blood pressure you describe, that soil scientist could literally be a femme fatale.
Take all the medication they offer, being philosophically opposed to it isn't worth dying for.
:clap: :clap: Well said, GOBUCKS.
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:clap: :clap: Well said, GOBUCKS.
I wholeheartedly agree (no pun intended)... :exactly:
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Frank, I'd like to say one thing as a former Nebraskan...we tend to be "too tough" to get really sick. Then, when it turns out we are really sick, we tend to shrug off most of the warnings. In fact, when we get terribly sick, we sometimes don't listen to our own bodies and acknowledge just how bad we feel.
Bottom line, if your cats, your neighbors and your EMT say you are really, really sick...believe them. Do what your doctor(s) say, take your meds, actually rest when you're supposed to rest.
(The last time I ignored "not feeling just right" and went on with things, shrugged off my husband's worries, and tried to talk him out of taking me to the ER, I ended up in the hospital for 4 days, and sicker than a dog for another 3 weeks. There really, truly is such a thing as being "too tough.)
Take care, man. We'd all miss you terribly if you didn't. So would your cats, and a lot of good Nebraskans.
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Frank, I know my BP was OK/acceptable as short a time ago as late February when I had my major dental work done. I have never been on pills or under serious observation. That all changed for me in a twinkle of an eye.
My BP today was 116/43. (And BTW, now I've lost 42 pounds)
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Blood pressure meds don't just reduce your BP and then it stays there on it's own. Those meds must continue to be taken to keep it down. Sometimes it takes a while to get the dosage correct. It's best if you follow the doc's instructions to the letter even if you don't want to.
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Coach, don't be a DUmbass regarding pharmaceuticals. As used by the DUmmies, they destroy lives. As prescribed by competent physicians, they save lives.
I've had two close friends who suffered from high blood pressure, both of whom were never conscientious about taking medication as prescribed. They both died suddenly in their sixties, one with a heart attack, the other a stroke. And that is not a bouncy story. They don't call high blood pressure the silent killer without reason. But it's a killer that can be defeated by medication.
With the kind of blood pressure you describe, that soil scientist could literally be a femme fatale.
Take all the medication they offer, being philosophically opposed to it isn't worth dying for.
+1
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When I got home, there was a stack of brand new large bath towels on the front porch, put there by only God knows.
God Bless your neighbors & friends.
We are richly Blessed that you are still with us Frank, I will be saying many prayers for your quick, full recovery.
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God Bless your neighbors & friends.
We are richly Blessed that you are still with us Frank, I will be saying many prayers for your quick, full recovery.
I don't know if you are a dog man Frank, if not, go with the cats.
There is much study on dogs today that can alert their owner to a seizure, low blood sager, epileptic problems and much more.
I believe they go by smell, when our body's produce something that changes our smell dogs and cats can be trained to pick it up.
I myself had a very odd experience with my Rottie. For a couple of weeks he kept licking my shin, one day the just head butted me so hard I thought he had broken the bone.
X-rays showed a huge tumor that was eating away at my leg and darn that started the nightmare.
MRI sent me to a cancer doctor in Boston who was ready to amputate the limb. All came out well, biopsy's showed the tumor was benign but I needed a human bone implanted into my leg. Gross.
The dog had saved my life, just a pet that smelled something wrong.
In the works one may find a dog that can tell when blood pressure rises too high, when a stroke is on the way.
My neighbor was awakened by his cat one night, he in his min-fiftys got up to see what was bothering the cat and found the bed sheets bloody.
A vain in his his leg had broken big time, He would have bleed to death in his sleep had the cat not bothered him.
Then there was my daughter 10 years ago that had Hep C and the veins in her throat and stomach exploded. We put on the flashers in the car, could not wait for an ambulance to get her and drove 90 mph to the hospital. The car looked looked like a carnal house, blood dripping from the ceiling.
With drugs, blood infusions and banding the ruptured veins, she is still alive--even the doctors don't know why.
She was told to stop smoking, drinking and follow some healthy plan. She did neither, still smokes, drinks and takes her medication every day.---and is still alive and functioning.
Every one of us is an individual, no Doctor can use the same treatment on everyone.
You have had a very big wake up call Frank, if diet and exercise does not help, remember a spoon full of sugar makes the medicine go down. Take your pills, the way you are told to, don't skip a dose and never stop taking them until the Doctor says you can.
Carry your bottle of Nitro in your pocket at all times, first one don't work take a second, if that don't work call an ambulance.
Whatever you have to do, do it, God for some odd reason gave us guardians in the animal world, pay attention to your cats and if along the way you can find a small dog that will alert you to a coming problem, thank God for sending them to you.
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OMG!!!!!! Thank you for posting and letting us know. That is scary!
Frank, feel better and take it easy okay? We are worried about you!
I missed all that?? Wow. This is a bummer! Frank keeps this place together, he is important to the future of this nation! Okay, this website!
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did anyone else notice the Blood Pressure Cure ad at the top of this page?
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Blood pressure meds don't just reduce your BP and then it stays there on it's own. Those meds must continue to be taken to keep it down. Sometimes it takes a while to get the dosage correct. It's best if you follow the doc's instructions to the letter even if you don't want to.
Exactly right. BP meds are not a cure-all they are maintenance drugs. I've had to take my dailies now for several years. I can tell when I missed a day. It sucks but it has to be done to live longer. Luckily both of mine are on the $4 list at WalMart, $10 if you get a 3 month supply.
Take your meds, we need you here for a long long time Frank
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By coincidence, your coment was the first thing I saw on the queque when I logged on, Randy, sir.
Contrary to all of my bitching and whining, in real life I have in fact been doing exactly as ordered. Not happily, but as ordered, to a "t".
The bottom number of the blood pressue is now down into the 80s, having been in three digits for the last two days (at least). That was at 10 a.m. and 7:00 p.m. tonight.
Since this was something that happened out of thin air, and so quickly, there's probably something else involved, but those tests won't be known for a few days yet.
I am following instructions. I am yelling and screaming, but only internally.
At some point, I'll get control of my own body back, but for the moment--it's only been 48 hours, after all--just best to let somebody else be the boss.
Temporarily.
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Are you allergic to fish, frank?
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Are you allergic to fish, frank?
Very good question here Badcat, allergies can crop up unexpectially from things you have been around for years.
What are allergies, where do they come from. Some are born with intolerance to cows milk, others suddenly get ill from milk after 40 years.
What sets off an allergy in an adult to something that has given them no problem for their life time.
Phemphagus [ sp?] causes the skin to become allergic to the flesh. out of no where people develop boils to the soft tissue that are a kin to 3rd. degree burns.
Some doctors say a gene is to blame, but why would that gene wait 50 years to bring on this catastrophic disease.?
Your question Badcat was very good, but I find that we often ignore the beginning signs of a disease, the doctors if you bring it to their attention will ignore the problem as there are worse things then having leg cramps at night.
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Are you allergic to fish cats, frank?
I hope not! :o
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Carry your bottle of Nitro in your pocket at all times.....
I don't have any pills that I have to carry at all times, madam; just two pharmaceuticals that I was assured are mild, not heavy-duty, one taken two times a day, the second taken once a day, and as already noted, the pressure has gone down.
I haven't gone into town yet today to have it checked, though. I have it checked at the local nursing home, by an L.P.N. or R.N. there, the nearest hospital being quite a distance away, in the big city.
I'm curious as to what the highest reading actually was--the figured I initially quoted might have been the serial number of the machine, for all I know. But I'll find that out when I see my regular physician, a dermatologist, who for obvious reasons has "farmed" me out to others until everything's been analyzed and sent his way.
We'll see how this all goes; this is the first time I'm going to hit the maximum of the deductible on the medical insurance for the year. That's never happened before.
I'm just still very tired. The neighbor theorizes it's not from whatever this is, or the medicines, but that I tend to live a tougher, more arduous, life, than do most, and so am drained from that. We'll see. But for the record, thus far I've outlasted most in the family into which I was born.
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I haven't gone into town yet today to have it checked, though. I have it checked at the local nursing home, by an L.P.N. or R.N. there, the nearest hospital being quite a distance away, in the big city.
For about $40 or so, you can buy a very accurate blood pressure monitor at Walgreen's, or CVS, or WalMart, or nearly anywhere. The only expertise it requires is wrapping a velcro sleeve around your arm, pressing one button, and reading the result off a small screen. We've had ours checked at the doctor's office several times, and it's always been perfectly accurate. Anyone with unstable blood pressure should have one, and it's a lot simpler than driving into town.
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For about $40 or so, you can buy a very accurate blood pressure monitor at Walgreen's, or CVS, or WalMart, or nearly anywhere. The only expertise it requires is wrapping a velcro sleeve around your arm, pressing one button, and reading the result off a small screen. We've had ours checked at the doctor's office several times, and it's always been perfectly accurate. Anyone with unstable blood pressure should have one, and it's a lot simpler than driving into town.
I was going to say the same thing when I read the go-to-town post. I have one that I bought when I had to do a 30 day monitoring back when they first noted mine was higher than it shhould be. It has a memory in it so I didn't have to write down my readings. I just handed the Doc the machine and he scrolled through the stored info.
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Lifting you and Undies up in my prayers.
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For about $40 or so, you can buy a very accurate blood pressure monitor at Walgreen's, or CVS, or WalMart, or nearly anywhere. The only expertise it requires is wrapping a velcro sleeve around your arm, pressing one button, and reading the result off a small screen. We've had ours checked at the doctor's office several times, and it's always been perfectly accurate. Anyone with unstable blood pressure should have one, and it's a lot simpler than driving into town.
Good suggestion. They are often on sale.
Avoid the wrist cuffs, they are not quite as accurate.
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Good grief! I completely missed the post. Prayers for you Frank. Undies too.
Keep on the meds. I also agree with the above, get your own bp tester. I use a wrist version. It's quite old now, but is still accurate as measured against the doctor's office. Your blood pressure can vary so quickly, with a home tester, you can take steps to lower your bp before it gets out of control.
I saw your post above noting your bp over the last few years being 17x/7x ? If so, that top number is too high. Make sure your docs know your historical average.
Hang in there Frank.
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Damn Frank! I need to read the Lounge more often. :(
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Same here, I had no idea you'd been so sick. Looks like you've got it under control for now, but it makes sense you're tired out after going through all that. I don't think you can rest up enough - hope you continue to feel better and better and God Bless.