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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on July 28, 2009, 05:05:39 AM
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http://www.democraticunderground.org/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6165362
Uh, for the record, one has to remember that the cop-hating Doug's ex-wife has a couple of sons who did hard time in big houses in California.
Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-27-09 09:35 PM
Original message
I'd like to apologize, right here, to Lucia Whalen
I admit I thought the worst of her. I now realize, due to this story
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/27/gates.arrest/index.htm...
(which is the subject of its own thread)that Ms. Whalen herself was the victim of Sgt. Crowley's lies, and that I was one of too many people who believed those lied.
Ms. Whalen was not to blame for what Sgt. Crowley did, and I shouldn't have let myself believe that she was. I was wrong.
She should be, as another poster suggested, invited to the Gates-Crowley beer party(if only to pour a beer over Crowley's lying racist head).
Oh my. All whites excepting white primitives are racists, apparently.
Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-27-09 09:37 PM
Response to Original message
1. She wasn't the "victim" of anyone except all those who went onto message boards...
... and shot their mouths off knowing nothing of what really happened. If you were one of those people, then shame on you.
MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-27-09 09:40 PM
Response to Reply #1
5. But it is still going on.
What comedy I see at DU.
Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-27-09 09:45 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. Villagers with pitchforks are easily led.
And then there are those who are cunning enough to lead villagers in any direction they like.
Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-27-09 10:08 PM
Response to Reply #5
33. The onion keeps getting peeled, and more and more "facts" emerge.
They're "facts" until new "facts" are revealed.
And it does go on.
I got my theories, but I'm keeping them to myself.
It's great entertainment, though.............
Yeah, it is great entertainment, watching the primitives being racist, automatically assuming the black guy is innocent.
yodermon (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-27-09 10:12 PM
Response to Reply #33
37. Don't keep 'em to yourself! c'mon! this is a messageboard
don't toy with us tangerine
Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-27-09 10:16 PM
Response to Reply #37
38. It's right in front of everyone's nose -
I have no special information or connection to this matter.
But the obvious is right out there, and I'm enjoying everyone overlooking it.
Especially since there was a hint dropped about it in another thread on this same matter last evening.
Just retrace the known events and consider possibilities. That's the only hint I'm going to give.
I love this.
You're just going to have to consider yourself tickled, my dear...........
The cop-hating Doug's ex-wife:
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-27-09 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #38
47. Your gratuitous self-congratulations aren't working out very well so far.
Maybe the rest of your night will be better.
Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-27-09 10:46 PM
Response to Reply #47
49. You're hung up on me - that's so cute.
Like a little puppy, scampering along behind me on those cute, stubby little legs.
I like that......................
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-27-09 10:51 PM
Response to Reply #49
51. No, actually I'm still nursing the headache I got from your bs on this thread.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-27-09 10:54 PM
Response to Reply #51
52. You love me - admit it - you love me and you follow me around like an adoring little angel.
It's so cute.
You are my darling little flower....................
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-27-09 10:57 PM
Response to Reply #52
54. Projection in its purest form.
From the expert in projection.
Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-27-09 11:36 PM
Response to Reply #54
64. Come to me, mah leetle flower - and we shall do the Dance Of The Internet Love..................
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-27-09 09:56 PM
Response to Reply #1
14. No, that's as wrong as possible. She was JIm Crowley's victim
the man who framed this as a race incident and tried to shift the blame on her.
LisaL (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-27-09 09:59 PM
Response to Reply #14
22. That's nonsense.
There is nothing in the report to suggest any of the sort.
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-27-09 10:04 PM
Response to Reply #22
29. LOL. Except his fabrication about her report that went all over the press.
He'll be very lucky if she doesn't sue him.
Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-28-09 01:28 AM
Response to Reply #29
79. She should be able to get his badge for this.
Crowley used her as a human media shield.
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-28-09 01:39 AM
Response to Reply #79
82. He did. That's just disgusting. I guess Cambridge needs a new sensitivity guy.
Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-27-09 10:09 PM
Response to Reply #22
34. Also, everyone is overlooking that there was another witness involved in this matter.
No one noticed that?
Interesting...........................
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-27-09 10:27 PM
Response to Reply #34
44. You were also wrong as possible and harangued everyone else into the bargain.
We were all knee jerk liberals, a confused mob of irrational people
But nice try at distracting, again.
Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-27-09 10:45 PM
Response to Reply #44
48. Shhhh........
Easy does it.
You keep trying to make it personal. That's not good.
You have your opinions, I have mine.
That seems to agitate you.
Terribly sad...............
ohheckyeah (793 posts) Mon Jul-27-09 10:58 PM
Response to Reply #34
55. I believe there was a neighbor who asked Ms. Whalen to call 911. I think I read it was an elderly neighbor.
AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-27-09 11:41 PM
Response to Reply #34
66. the driver,. what is going on with him? have heard no word at all.
Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-27-09 11:50 PM
Response to Reply #66
68. He departed after the door was opened - after, I think, Gates went to the back door and let himself in, and shoved the front door open.
So, the kerfuffle took place after the driver left.......................
Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-28-09 01:19 AM
Response to Reply #76
77. I have no idea who that is - there are contradictory versions. That the caller never spoke with Crowley, and that she did, just to identify herself and for him to say something like "Wait right there." Or some variation thereof.
No, I'm not thinking of an officer.
Some people make up their minds before all the facts are in and are comfortable with that.
Some just keep watching and seeing things unfold and realize that it doesn't matter what they decide.
The one thing I do know is that, if there are two people involved, there will be three versions of the truth: person one, person two, and the reality of what actually happened.
I just love a good story, and watching this one change daily is fascinating......................
MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-27-09 09:39 PM
Response to Original message
4. Do you ever feel that you and others are being played by CNN, etc.?
Do you believe that they may even be doing it right now to fan the flames and keep the story airborne?
It's great titillation, but it hurts in the long run by taking our eye off of the health care debate.
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-27-09 09:55 PM
Response to Reply #4
12. Racism in America is not a distraction if it happens to you.
After which the Rita Hayworth primitive dozes off in her rocking chair for a while, and the cop-hating Doug's ex-wife and the maudlin waif primitive, who's had his own problems with cops, argue with obscure primitives of no prominence. Then the Rita Hayworth primitive wakes up.
Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-28-09 01:21 AM
Response to Reply #72
78. A vision of clarity and fairness.
Thanks for this post.......................
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-28-09 01:47 AM
Response to Reply #78
87. Oh, yeah. A vision of clarity that still denies that introducing two fictional black men into an incident report is racist.
Brilliant and very clear.
Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-28-09 02:37 AM
Response to Reply #87
92. There you are again, mah leeetle sweetheart - you cannot resist me, it's clear.
You love me, you really, really love me!!!
You are mah leeeetle Internet secret sweetiepie...................
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-28-09 02:50 AM
Response to Reply #92
93. And when confronted with an argument, you reply with gibberish.
Cool.
Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-28-09 02:57 AM
Response to Reply #93
94. I speak to you the language of Internet(s) tubes love, what you seek as you prance behind me, relishing my every word, holding them close to you, cherishing them, wishing them to be part of you.
Love. It's a beautiful thing. A leetle Internet(s) tubes crush, what you have on me.
It is SO cute, and so are you ..............................
Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-28-09 03:12 AM
Response to Reply #94
95. Get a chat room, you two....
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-28-09 03:22 AM
Response to Reply #95
97. I'll pass, thanks.
Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-28-09 03:35 AM
Response to Reply #95
98. Nudge, nudge, wink, wink..............
Someone - I'm not gonna name any names, understand, but someone - is carrying a torch for LaBamba
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I know you may have told me this before, but do you personally know Bonkers Beth? I ask because in a thread I was browsing through on The Island yesterday she claimed to be "a woman of color" and I wondered what color that might be.
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I know you may have told me this before, but do you personally know Bonkers Beth? I ask because in a thread I was browsing through on The Island yesterday she claimed to be "a woman of color" and I wondered what color that might be.
RED,.... thru and thru....a liberal commie.....aren't they all?
OH! You meant skin color...I'd guess somewhere between white to black.
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I know you may have told me this before, but do you personally know Bonkers Beth? I ask because in a thread I was browsing through on The Island yesterday she claimed to be "a woman of color" and I wondered what color that might be.
Yes and no.
I do know this bit about the cop-hating Doug's ex-wife being of Central American origin is bull excrement; photographs of herself, posted by her, show her to be of unmistakeably northern Mediterraneanic origin.
As you know, the cop-hating Doug's ex-wife is a lapsed Roman Catholic, but once born a Catholic, always a Catholic. No matter how hard one tries to erase it, one can't erase it. It's always there. There are some lapsed Catholics who have gone onto purposeful and fulfilling lives, but those are the ones who generally feel positive about their past.
"Identification with victims" is a strong tendency within Catholicism; I have it myself; this "sharing in suffering" deal. As compared with the Judeo-Protestant tendency to improve the material lot of the suffering.
But the difference between the cop-hating Doug's ex-wife and franksolich is that she fantasizes she is a "victim," that she is a "person of color," while franksolich, who has no fantasies about himself, actually attempts (but this being America, the best place in the world, it falls short) to live the grim, austere, spartan, ascetic life that tens of millions, hundreds of millions, suffering under socialism, are forced to live.
But it's still not the same, for franksolich. For franksolich, living this way is a choice, and franksolich can change his mind any time he wishes. Tens of millions, hundreds of millions, suffering under socialism do not have that choice.
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Additional:
While there's bigger and better liars among the primitives on Skins's island, no primitive, but no primitive, is as phony as the cop-hating Doug's ex-wife.
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Yes and no.
I do know this bit about the cop-hating Doug's ex-wife being of Central American origin is bull excrement; photographs of herself, posted by her, show her to be of unmistakeably northern Mediterraneanic origin.
As you know, the cop-hating Doug's ex-wife is a lapsed Roman Catholic, but once born a Catholic, always a Catholic. No matter how hard one tries to erase it, one can't erase it. It's always there. There are some lapsed Catholics who have gone onto purposeful and fulfilling lives, but those are the ones who generally feel positive about their past.
"Identification with victims" is a strong tendency within Catholicism; I have it myself; this "sharing in suffering" deal. As compared with the Judeo-Protestant tendency to improve the material lot of the suffering.
But the difference between the cop-hating Doug's ex-wife and franksolich is that she fantasizes she is a "victim," that she is a "person of color," while franksolich, who has no fantasies about himself, actually attempts (but this being America, the best place in the world, it falls short) to live the grim, austere, spartan, ascetic life that tens of millions, hundreds of millions, suffering under socialism, are forced to live.
But it's still not the same, for franksolich. For franksolich, living this way is a choice, and franksolich can change his mind any time he wishes. Tens of millions, hundreds of millions, suffering under socialism do not have that choice.
I figured as much. This was the first time I'd ever heard her make that claim and thought it might be an attempt to increase her "all cops are racist, lying pigs" DU cred. Plus, it was in a thread started by xultar (I'm convinced she is black as she claims to be) and Bonkers Beth was playing the victim, using race in this case.
Thanks!
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She's a woman of color alright, as long as "White" is a color. I have to give it to Tangie, she is indeed thinking like a lawyer in her analytical comments (and in a different way, in her artful baiting of SexPhat, aka Doug's ex-wife, which is pretty damn' amusing! :-)).