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Current Events => Breaking News => Topic started by: TheSarge on July 21, 2009, 07:35:45 PM
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(http://www.foxnews.com/politics/img/story/072009_holdren.jpg)
President Obama's "science czar," Paul Holdren, once floated the idea of forced abortions, "compulsory sterilization," and the creation of a "Planetary Regime" that would oversee human population levels and control all natural resources as a means of protecting the planet -- controversial ideas his critics say should have been brought up in his Senate confirmation hearings.
Holdren, who has degrees from MIT and Stanford and headed a science policy program at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government for the past 13 years, won the unanimous approval of the Senate as the president's chief science adviser.
He was confirmed with little fanfare on March 19 as director of the White House's Office of Science and Technology Policy, a 50-person directorate that advises the president on scientific affairs, focusing on energy independence and global warming.
But many of Holdren's radical ideas on population control were not brought up at his confirmation hearings; it appears that the senators who scrutinized him had no knowledge of the contents of a textbook he co-authored in 1977, "Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment," a copy of which was obtained by FOXNews.com.
The 1,000-page course book, which was co-written with environmental activists Paul and Anne Ehrlich, discusses and in one passage seems to advocate totalitarian measures to curb population growth, which it says could cause an environmental catastrophe.
The three authors summarize their guiding principle in a single sentence: "To provide a high quality of life for all, there must be fewer people."
As first reported by FrontPage Magazine, Holdren and his co-authors spend a portion of the book discussing possible government programs that could be used to lower birth rates.
Those plans include forcing single women to abort their babies or put them up for adoption; implanting sterilizing capsules in people when they reach puberty; and spiking water reserves and staple foods with a chemical that would make people sterile.
To help achieve those goals, they formulate a "world government scheme" they call the Planetary Regime, which would administer the world's resources and human growth, and they discuss the development of an "armed international organization, a global analogue of a police force" to which nations would surrender part of their sovereignty.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/21/obamas-science-czar-considered-forced-abortions-sterilization-population-growth/?test=latestnews
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How does this not scare the living day lights out of people :o
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How does this not scare the living day lights out of people :o
I see nothing in this scientists works that have not been proposed in the past, some of it even carried out all over the world at one time or other.
People treated like animals breed for certain looks or specific tasks.
Somewhere on our planet somewhere there are scientists being funded by their country attempting to Clone humans.
Science fiction writers have a world of what ifs to write about that comes all too close to what humans are capable of.
Never underestimate just how far intellectual curiosity will take people.
In some cases the worse EVIL comes from humans with the best intentions.
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I see nothing in this scientists works that have not been proposed in the past, some of it even carried out all over the world at one time or other.
People treated like animals breed for certain looks or specific tasks.
Somewhere on our planet somewhere there are scientists being funded by their country attempting to Clone humans.
Science fiction writers have a world of what ifs to write about that comes all too close to what humans are capable of.
Never underestimate just how far intellectual curiosity will take people.
In some cases the worse EVIL comes from humans with the best intentions.
So you're saying you're ok with this?
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Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor, vesta?
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How does this not scare the living day lights out of people :o
If the media and the WH keeps it under wraps...then people don't know to be frightened of this wanna be Mengele
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For those too young to remember 1977 the "scientific" fads of that day were a new ice age coming and global overpopulation with all kinds of dire predictions of humanitys destruction through famine.
Since neither has proven to be true (I know there is famine in parts of the world but not universal) it should make anyone suspect of how left leaning scientists will jump on any bandwagon that has at its conclusion totalitarianism.
Global warming anyone...no different and no more scientific.
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For those too young to remember 1977 the "scientific" fads of that day were a new ice age coming and global overpopulation with all kinds of dire predictions of humanitys destruction through famine.
Since neither has proven to be true (I know there is famine in parts of the world but not universal) it should make anyone suspect of how left leaning scientists will jump on any bandwagon that has at its conclusion totalitarianism.
Global warming anyone...no different and no more scientific.
So Earth never had an ice age, all those elephants at the north pole actually did not have flowering plants in their stomach----it is all a practical joke the scientists like to play on the public.
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So Earth never had an ice age, all those elephants at the north pole actually did not have flowering plants in their stomach----it is all a practical joke the scientists like to play on the public.
#1 you were asked above if you approve of forced sterilization and abortion ala this scientist's views and have not yet responded.
#2 Carl did not deny an ice age from years before. He never denied scientific history, he merely pointed out the junk science of the day said we were in IMMEDIATE danger of an ice age. 32 years later something that was immediately imminent still has yet to materialize. And not only that the fad scientists are now claiming it is the reverse and the world is warming. Why are you deliberately twisting what is being said? To what purpose? What does it serve you to support what has turned out to be false views? If you support science, that also means rejecting false suppositions. When did truth become irrelevant in favor of what feels good to a group of people?
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So Earth never had an ice age, all those elephants at the north pole actually did not have flowering plants in their stomach----it is all a practical joke the scientists like to play on the public.
No offense but are you that stupid or incapable of reading comprehension.
Did I say that we never have had an ice age?
Read it again fool...I said they were all a buzz about the start of a NEW one.
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Well the OP chills me to the bone. I was recently at the Holocaust museum. I'm shuddering.
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Well the OP chills me to the bone. I was recently at the Holocaust museum. I'm shuddering.
Same here, Dixie, and was is even more chilling is that someone with views so repugnant would not only be appointed to such an office, but that most people would not think twice of it, most likely because of willful ignorance.
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Same here, Dixie, and was is even more chilling is that someone with views so repugnant would not only be appointed to such an office, but that most people would not think twice of it, most likely because of willful ignorance.
Scary isn't it?
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Scary isn't it?
Most certainly is. :(
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Most certainly is. :(
Even scarier is the fact that Fox News is going to be the only one reporting this, and they'll be attacked for trying to smear 0Bama and his appointment.
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I see nothing in this scientists works that have not been proposed in the past, some of it even carried out all over the world at one time or other.
People treated like animals breed for certain looks or specific tasks.
Somewhere on our planet somewhere there are scientists being funded by their country attempting to Clone humans.
Science fiction writers have a world of what ifs to write about that comes all too close to what humans are capable of.
Never underestimate just how far intellectual curiosity will take people.
In some cases the worse EVIL comes from humans with the best intentions.
How does your post have anything to do with what I posted? Of course people have done horrible, evil things. That is what makes this guy's comments so terrifying. This isn't about intellectual curiosity, this is about people wanting to reduce the earth's population by whatever means necessary. China currently performs forced abortion on women who disobey the one child rule, so it already happens in our current time.
What is scary is that this guy has been appointed (not elected, appointed) to an unconstitutional position by our current administration.
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How does your post have anything to do with what I posted? Of course people have done horrible, evil things. That is what makes this guy's comments so terrifying. This isn't about intellectual curiosity, this is about people wanting to reduce the earth's population by whatever means necessary. China currently performs forced abortion on women who disobey the one child rule, so it already happens in our current time.
What is scary is that this guy has been appointed (not elected, appointed) to an unconstitutional position by our current administration.
What makes it worse still is people who have no problem with his policies are on the other hand scared shitless of someone like Sarah Palin. Go figure that one out.
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I can't figure that one out, Spark, it sounds like profound mental illness. One of the many things that I loathe about this admin is this shadow thug government-by-czar. Nobody shines the light on these moonbats and asks some tough questions. WTF?
Willful ignorance is irresponsible and lazy.
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Even scarier is the fact that Fox News is going to be the only one reporting this, and they'll be attacked for trying to smear 0Bama and his appointment.
Infowars, as alarmist as they may seem, reported on this a week ago. Alex Jones and his staff seem to be very good at getting out the news to the folks. (I still don't agree with them on 9/11, but I read their site daily)
http://www.infowars.com/alex-jones-paul-joseph-watson-obama-czars-nightmarish-sterilization-plan/
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Infowars, as alarmist as they may seem, reported on this a week ago. Alex Jones and his staff seem to be very good at getting out the news to the folks. (I still don't agree with them on 9/11, but I read their site daily)
http://www.infowars.com/alex-jones-paul-joseph-watson-obama-czars-nightmarish-sterilization-plan/
Unfortunately, infowars is deemed a little less credible than Fox by almost everyone.
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Well the OP chills me to the bone. I was recently at the Holocaust museum. I'm shuddering.
I well understand, my Hubby dragged me out of there after the exibit of how how people were brought into the shower rooms, the signs that lulled them and how the people were incouraged to believe all was well.
We got out onto the street and I collapsed, could not breath for crying so hard,
All my life I had read and heard about the Holocaust, I went to school with at least one kid whose parents had the tattoos on their wrist, reading Leon Uris as a kid, I thought I could handle the experience, after all what could be worse then my amagination brought on by books.
Wrong again, nothing I had read or heard could prepare me for being able to touch with my hands and be in the actual rail way car, so small that held 100 people for days on end.
Feeling the wood of a bunk bed that had held humans due for the gas chamber was and is indiscrible.
Dixie, we can be educated in schools about history, we can see pictures or even talk to the survivors, but until one gets hands on feeling the same thing the victems felt---and saw every day, then the questions come, who lived in this bunk bed, how old were they, how did they die.
This was the wake up call for my generation, humans left unchecked can cause more Evil then the Devil them self.
It has been a couple of years since Hubby had to pick me up off the side walk out side that Museum, both of us came away with memories that are different.
Hubby was amazed at how fast Germany took over Europe, his war machine ws amazing.
My most amazed fact was how fast with national Identie cards this could be done. That seemed to be the key to controll people and their movement from place to place.
Sorry Dixie, there is so much more but after 2 years it is still hard to think about.
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I am forced sterilizations for criminals. That being said, what Obama's science czar is advocating is scary. Smack dab of Nazis Germany.
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Even if Fox is the only TV news outlet covering this, for some reason just since yesterday, the blogsphere is on fire with it.
We had this at Moonbattery with the caption to this picture "Moonbat Holdren sees the men in white coats with butterfly nets coming."
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I've been studying infowars lately. Most of their stories come from elsewhere around the net. I'm finding them to be as credible as any other mainstream news agency. The 9/11 conspiracy crap kind of irks me. Other than that, I'm finding articles long before they hit the MSM.
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I am forced sterilizations for criminals. That being said, what Obama's science czar is advocating is scary. Smack dab of Nazis Germany.
OH what is is a criminal, Are you a criminal in the future for speaking out agasinst our government.
I believe you mss spoke on steralizing for criminals, a criminal can be anyone who speacks their mind, or the law decides they are anti American.
God Help anyone who becomes a criminal because of their race or religion, some peopole in the ww2 on the west coast acrually tried to place a law that male children of Japenese desent be castrated at birth. Dont believe me, do some search on Google
Crap, there were people in America that found no problem with the German Solution, and that included Charles Limburg a American hero.
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I went to that infowars site....made the mistake of reading some comments.
Moonbats to the left of me..... Moonbats to the right of me......I'm surrounded.
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OH what is is a criminal, Are you a criminal in the future for speaking out agasinst our government.
I believe you mss spoke on steralizing for criminals, a criminal can be anyone who speacks their mind, or the law decides they are anti American.
God Help anyone who becomes a criminal because of their race or religion, some peopole in the ww2 on the west coast acrually tried to place a law that male children of Japenese desent be castrated at birth. Dont believe me, do some search on Google
Crap, there were people in America that found no problem with the German Solution, and that included Charles Limburg a American hero.
No dearest, you drop the accusation, you provide the proof. That's how we roll here.
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OH what is is a criminal, Are you a criminal in the future for speaking out agasinst our government.
If you Libs have their way it will be a criminal act.
I believe you mss spoke on steralizing for criminals, a criminal can be anyone who speacks their mind, or the law decides they are anti American.
I believe he's talking about sterilization in the case of child molesters and rapists.
You made a leap to the size of the grand canyon to come to your conclusion from what Ptarmy said.
God Help anyone who becomes a criminal because of their race or religion, some peopole in the ww2 on the west coast acrually tried to place a law that male children of Japenese desent be castrated at birth. Dont believe me, do some search on Google
I believe that was done by the man that your man Obama wants to emulate...FDR.
Democrat party right?
Crap, there were people in America that found no problem with the German Solution, and that included Charles Limburg a American hero.
FDR (a Democrat) had an Ambassador to the House of Windsor who was whole heartedly in favor of what Adolf was doing.
Maybe you've heard of him...Joe Kennedy Sr. father of two serial adulterers and an unrepentant murderer. (all Democrat)
Jimmy Carter (another Democrat) is whole heartedly behind the Palestinians and their desire for the "German Solution"
Was there a point you were trying to make Vesta?
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This creep is allowed to spew this kind of hatred makes me ill. I have been to the concentration camps and took my teenage son when he was a small boy to them. Just recently he went into the Holocaust Museum in DC and at every single one of the camps he lit a candle and I heard him whisper "God please let me never forget." Pretty profound words from a 13 year old boy.
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Was there a point you were trying to make Vesta?
I was willing to give this person the benefit of some doubt until this thread.
She has no point to make and is clearly just trolling.
When called on her bs posts that display ignorance,willing or otherwise,she simply walks away as if she never made them.
See the first page comment about the ice age,completely misrepresenting what I wrote, which she was called on.
No response but then began to play an anguished emotional woman in what appears to be an attempt to suck up to other ladies here.
Now once again taking a post so far out of context it is laughable.
She is just here to throw stupid into threads to sidetrack them and I wouldn`t bet that anything she writes is actually her opinion on the subject.
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I was willing to give this person the benefit of some doubt until this thread.
She has no point to make and is clearly just trolling.
When called on her bs posts that display ignorance,willing or otherwise,she simply walks away as if she never made them.
See the first page comment about the ice age,completely misrepresenting what I wrote, which she was called on.
No response but then began to play an anguished emotional woman in what appears to be an attempt to suck up to other ladies here.
Now once again taking a post so far out of context it is laughable.
She is just here to throw stupid into threads to sidetrack them and I wouldn`t bet that anything she writes is actually her opinion on the subject.
Say Buster, what you want here, a forum where everyone agrees ,everyone marches in lock step and places their hands over their ears and hummers quite loudly.
Your just peed off that I did not have the time to respond to your post and the questions you asked,
To answer your questions and statements. YES I know it takes untold thousands of years for an ice age to develop naturally all on its own.
Left on its own climate change is just what it is. However, when outside forces come into play that have nothing to do with nature----there can be problems.
Take for example Israel, a place that was nothing but sand and an area that no one wanted.
Where else could the world place a people that was more miserable, unwanted and hell on earth.?
I remember the old ads for Plant a Tree in Israel on the TV, people did, The more trees planted the more their climate changed. For some reason the plants drew the rain that had never been known to fall before. This sand hill became furtile as more and more plants were put in.
Now today check out what is going on in South America as man destroys the rain forest, this forest is our lungs, and an area that we may find a cure for Cancer or not but that is a hope.
Little bits in time can in fact change some climates in small places.
You yourself can make a change in your tiny bit of the world, take that 3 foot square piece of not used ground and plant Spider Watts, these draw bees that may pollinate the fields down the road.
This will have no effect on climate but just be a small step to controlling nature for your benefit.
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Your just peed off that I did not have the time to respond to your post and the questions you asked,
Wrong again and also showing how you simply start talking without any coherent process tying thoughts together.
For the benefit of everyone I will repost it so they can see for themselves..
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Re: Obama's Science Czar Considered Forced Abortions, Sterilization
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2009, 07:40:21 am »
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For those too young to remember 1977 the "scientific" fads of that day were a new ice age coming and global overpopulation with all kinds of dire predictions of humanitys destruction through famine.
Since neither has proven to be true (I know there is famine in parts of the world but not universal) it should make anyone suspect of how left leaning scientists will jump on any bandwagon that has at its conclusion totalitarianism.
Global warming anyone...no different and no more scientific.
Your response...
So Earth never had an ice age, all those elephants at the north pole actually did not have flowering plants in their stomach----it is all a practical joke the scientists like to play on the public.
Now tell me what question I asked there or how you managed to read that and say I was denying we had an ice age?
I stand by what I said...you are either a troll just posting nonsense or you are a complete illiterate.
What I want is a forum where issues can be discussed intelligently.
I have shown that you can not or will not.
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Someone needs a class in reading comprehension.
Just sayin...
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From what I've read of vesta's dreamy, nonchalant run-on babblings, which happen to be completely airheaded in their content, form, literacy, and structure, this is just about as good as it gets with her.
Nobody marches in lockstep with anything here, save perhaps a real desire to that idiot in the Oval Office vacate his desk post haste and a return of some semblance of sanity within government which has clearly shown is out of control.
Sometimes, vesta, the best thing you can do is simply shut up. You add nothing to conversations and debate. You obfuscate in your la-la land of dreamy reflections and liberal thought processes.
In short, you're a moonbat - and not even a good one.
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Wrong again and also showing how you simply start talking without any coherent process tying thoughts together.
For the benefit of everyone I will repost it so they can see for themselves..
Your response...
Now tell me what question I asked there or how you managed to read that and say I was denying we had an ice age?
I stand by what I said...you are either a troll just posting nonsense or you are a complete illiterate.
What I want is a forum where issues can be discussed intelligently.
I have shown that you can not or will not.
My questions and clarification went unanswered. At least you are getting responses. :lmao:
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My questions and clarification went unanswered. At least you are getting responses. :lmao:
She can say what she wants but when called on her stupid she just moves to another thread....sure sign of a troll not someone trying to contribute or discuss/debate.
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My questions and clarification went unanswered. At least you are getting responses. :lmao:
She is a female, I think. That could account for some of the dizziness. :bolt:
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She is a female, I think. That could account for some of the dizziness. :bolt:
That's right, you better run after that comment!
:fuelfire:
**CR prepping fire to roast thundley4**
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And just what is the correct temperature for the earth anyway?
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Nothing about this statement makes sense.
The three authors summarize their guiding principle in a single sentence: "To provide a high quality of life for all, there must be fewer people."
WTF? For them, not the unborn babies that might take up some of their oxygen. :bird: I don't even want to know what they would do to the babies born with disabilities or defects. :(
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She is a female, I think. That could account for some of the dizziness. :bolt:
That must make the rest of the women here exceptional then. :hammer: :evillaugh:
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Nothing about this statement makes sense.
WTF? For them, not the unborn babies that might take up some of their oxygen. :bird: I don't even want to know what they would do to the babies born with disabilities or defects. :(
Their solution for that came up incessantly re: Trig Palin
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EUGENICS was the term. SOME Americans did subscribe.
http://www.accd.edu/sac/honors/main/papers02/Judge.htm
Despicable people in this movement all. But we are decieved easily in some periods, like this one where "soak the rich" , Gorebal Warming, health "crisis, and yes, the stench of eugenics in the backround. All very "propper" and intelectual, don't you know!
And Obama leads it all.
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OH what is is a criminal, Are you a criminal in the future for speaking out agasinst our government.
I believe you mss spoke on steralizing for criminals, a criminal can be anyone who speacks their mind, or the law decides they are anti American.
God Help anyone who becomes a criminal because of their race or religion, some peopole in the ww2 on the west coast acrually tried to place a law that male children of Japenese desent be castrated at birth. Dont believe me, do some search on Google
Crap, there were people in America that found no problem with the German Solution, and that included Charles Limburg a American hero.
A criminal is someone who rapes or murders. Anyone can be a criminal regardless of race or religion. Religion you can change. You are sounding like a bigot by your thinking. Are you that stupid? As for Charles Lindbergh, that was BEFORE America entered World War II.
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To paraphrase Shakes-spear:
"The evil that men write follows them, the good......hell, they never had any good."
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What bothers me is this is not an unusual personality type for Obama's appointments. there are a number of moonbats in his admin who propose bizarre draconian laws.
You can tell a lot about a man by the people he chooses to serve him.
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What bothers me is this is not an unusual personality type for Obama's appointments. there are a number of moonbats in his admin who propose bizarre draconian laws.
You can tell a lot about a man by the people he chooses to serve him.
All too true, but for some crazy reason people that are top notched educated sometimes find themselves dabbling in ideas that are taboo for the medium educated with only a Masters in their field.
Obama was exposed to very different ideas as a child, his mother was a follower of Margret Mead I have been told. Very intellectual and far thinking.
His father who no one has explored in depth was also very bright, the product of a Muslim faith and tradition.
It is difficult to pin down Obama and his young life as much is kept in some locked file.
The woman he married also has a past that is not put on display for the public. Is there any woman who does not influence their husband in decisions that are to be made.?
This Saga is getting to weird for words.
Who are these people, why is their back trail covered over.?
The Czars he appoints does he actually give a crap about their ideas or are they being set up as scape goats in a time of need.