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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on July 21, 2009, 07:26:19 AM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=236x67037
Oh my.
The primitive who's relative had to close the coffee shop after eight years of prosperity under the "lousy" George Bush economy, as we headed into the "great" 0bama economy:
grasswire (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-20-09 07:23 PM
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I don't think I told you I'll be living at a farm-ette for summer-fall
I just heard from my host that there's a bumper crop of pickling cucumbers coming up fast.
Here's how it happened. My family has been displaced in the foreclosure fuss. We learned several months ago that the landlady had not paid the mortgage since last September and the lender planned to sell the house on the steps of the courthouse.
Then we learned that she had 12 properties in foreclosure and had pocketed the rent money on all those homes for all that time.
It was terrible timing for us. And besides, the house is right around the corner from my grandma's old home and the neighborhood just feels right to me. We thought we would try to stay in the house and negotiate with the bank after the sale.
But no. The landlady was intent on evicting all of her tenants in all properties. Just last week four families were ejected from a plex. We called a tenants meeting in May and we have been fighting to stay in the home. We even had to hire a lawyer.
But she will not allow people to stay in the homes to deal with the lenders. Why? It's a puzzle. We can only assume that she wants to get cash for keys or strip the houses or something.
When we went to court last week, HER own lawyer hadn't even been told the house was in foreclosure.
So we are forced to leave. We won just a few more days and must be out by Thursday. The house will be sold by the bank August 18. She would not return our deposit or allow it to be used as rent, even though she has no material interest left in the house.
She and her husband, a high-profile religious leader here whose LCSW was recently revoked for sleeping with his clients (public record), did this: bought properties on no-down toxic mortgages. They did a little cosmetic work and rented them out. Then they had the homes reappraised and took out more loans based on the new appraisals.
Last fall they stopped making mortgage payments on the properties, pocketed all the rent, and are walking away with hundreds of thousands of dollars. Rent skimming is not illegal in this state; it is illegal in California.
The new law signed by Obama does not protect renters whose landlords are greedy enough to evict prior to the foreclosure sale. His law mandates that renters must be allowed by the new owner (or bank) to stay in the house 90 days after the sale. But if the landlord evicts tenants, that doesn't apply.
So.
A family friend who has a farm-ette has offered his apartment over his garage for an extended time. He has been a farmer up until a few years ago and had a CSA, but physically had to give that up. But he has a huge huge garden, and chickens too.
Lots of changes. I'm no longer baking pies, I'm no longer cooking for teenagers (they do graduate!) and will be no longer living in a city neighborhood (at least for now).
Hopefully I'll post some garden pics. That will be a real treat and I hope to learn a lot.
Damn, that dread "CSA" acronym again.
the vindictive primitive, who has plenty of time and money to trot around to faraway garage sales, but not enough to get the hip replaced:
Vinca (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-21-09 08:05 AM
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1. Oh, grasswire, I'm so sorry for the upheaval in your life, but the farmette sounds like it'll be fun! Maybe you'll get the country bumpkin bug and decide you prefer living out of the city anyway. That was quite of story about the landlord/"man of God." Another in a long line of faux believers picking and choosing off the 10 Commandments like it's a menu.
I suspect the "man of God" comment by the primitive who lit this bonfire was just made up, to slap a certain category of people, a fantasy. I suspect the real landlord in real life is the Idiot Briggs primitive, who did some funny stuff with real-estate she had inherited.
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Assuming just for the sake of argument that there's any truth in that at all, I would've stiffed the landlord on the rent if she was going to steal the deposit anyway. Of course I have the freedom of not giving a crap about my credit score, if the landlord was even savvy enough to try that attack.
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=236x67037
Oh my.
The primitive who's relative had to close the coffee shop after eight years of prosperity under the "lousy" George Bush economy, as we headed into the "great" 0bama economy:
Damn, that dread "CSA" acronym again.
the vindictive primitive, who has plenty of time and money to trot around to faraway garage sales, but not enough to get the hip replaced:
I suspect the "man of God" comment by the primitive who lit this bonfire was just made up, to slap a certain category of people, a fantasy. I suspect the real landlord in real life is the Idiot Briggs primitive, who did some funny stuff with realest she had inherited.
These things do happen in life, I am surprised you are not that informed.
When people are in a position with no kids, it is way cheaper to rent then to own.
Owning a home is a money pit as we all know. YOU the owner are in charge of every darn thing that happens.
Say you inherit a family home with 50 acres and you have 3 kids. Fantastic, room for the kids to expend energy running about the fields or woods.
Out of that apartment you have so far raised the kids in that had a pool, workout room and someone on the desk 24/7.
The change from city life for the kids will take time, no best friends next door, no walking a block for a Slurpie. no playing basketball at the apt. complex court.
The kids hate country living, you sell out and head back to the city.
Nice place everything they had in the former complex. kids are now happy.
One day you find that the owner has not paid the taxes on their property, the banks are moving in and who knows else------You have 2 weeks to relocate your family.
All the good places have a 1 year waiting list, where do you go to wait for an apartment with the entities you are use to ?
Back to the farm where everyone is miserable, the kids are afraid of the bears that show up from time to time, the swimming pool you put in has water snakes the kids nearest friend is 5 miles down the road.
All this happened because way back then the owner of your apartment house never paid taxes.
So you are one to tough it out, you have 50 acres being taxed on, why not use them.
Government comes in to tell you 20 of those acres are wet land you now pay taxes on land you cannot use.
So you decide to farm the other 30 acres you own, in comes the government to tell you what you can or can not plant on your own property.
You decide to say to hell with the government and raise hogs---------no problem until the hog count gets over a couple hundred and then state inspectors come in to test them for disease.
By now all kids have run away and moved in with their grandparents .
So you and partner if they are still there move out, sell the farm and move into a one bedroom apartment and keep bags packed ready to go,
Sounds like a good plan to me, I keep my bags in the trunk of my car just in case.
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Seriously, what kind of drugs do you use? Or do you just watch bad TV all day?
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Seriously, what kind of drugs do you use? Or do you just watch bad TV all day?
I think she makes this shit up as she goes along. I have yet to discern a single premise from any of her posts.
I wonder if English is her native language.
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CSA is Community Supported Agriculture and is where people "buy" a certain amount of produce (maybe a boxful a week during harvest) for a certain fee. Kind of like a fruit of the month club.
Cindie
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CSA is Community Supported Agriculture and is where people "buy" a certain amount of produce (maybe a boxful a week during harvest) for a certain fee. Kind of like a fruit of the month club.
Cindie
So, a "farm-ette" is some city apartment with a garden in some vacant lot?
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Seriously, what kind of drugs do you use? Or do you just watch bad TV all day?
geez. I don't know what to say.
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Leave it to Vespa to enlighten us on the ills of farm life! Bwahahahahahahahaha!!!
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CSA is Community Supported Agriculture and is where people "buy" a certain amount of produce (maybe a boxful a week during harvest) for a certain fee. Kind of like a fruit of the month club.
Cindie
Thanks for shedding light on that, I had figured out that it obviously wasn't either the Confederacy or the remnant organizaiton of "Covenant Sword Arm-of-the-Lord" ('Specially on DU of all places) but I was stumped beyond that.
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Talk about a sourpuss look and attitude......just wait until grasswire lives on pickles for a year.
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Seriously, what kind of drugs do you use? Or do you just watch bad TV all day?
I honestly thought this thing was a DUmmy, when he/she/it made some kind of confusing reference to "American Aborigines". But no. I think it's some kind of dyslexic conditon, combined with illicit pharmaceuticals. They say dyslexics just see a jumble of letters when they try to read or write. This character has a type of the condition where they just see a jumble of words and thoughts, and can't put them together in any order that makes sense.
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I honestly thought this thing was a DUmmy, when he/she/it made some kind of confusing reference to "American Aborigines". But no. I think it's some kind of dyslexic conditon, combined with illicit pharmaceuticals. They say dyslexics just see a jumble of letters when they try to read or write. This character has a type of the condition where they just see a jumble of words and thoughts, and can't put them together in any order that makes sense.
Pretty astute observation if this is in fact the Vesta I am familiar with from a now defunct board. I believe I once called here peculiar writing style "stream of unconsciousness". :-) Every now an then a cognoscente thought slips through.
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CSA is Community Supported Agriculture and is where people "buy" a certain amount of produce (maybe a boxful a week during harvest) for a certain fee. Kind of like a fruit of the month club.
Cindie
Naaah . . . the bolded is when a different homosexual is delivered to your house each month, to make fashion suggestions . . . :gay2:
I couldn't resist. :tongue:
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Naaah . . . the bolded is when a different homosexual is delivered to your house each month, to make fashion suggestions . . . :gay2:
I couldn't resist. :tongue:
You should have... :thatsright:
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The only thing this thread taught me was the word 'farmette' - which is pretty much every house in the community where I deliver mail.
Its a stupid word.
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When people are in a position with no kids, it is way cheaper to rent then to own.
Owning a home is a money pit as we all know. YOU the owner are in charge of every darn thing that happens.
I'll just focus on this little bit, vesta. Cheaper? In what regard? Sure a 1-bedroom hovel is "cheaper" than a 3- or 4-bedroom house, but did you stop to consider that you lose 100 percent of what you put into rent, whereas at least you're building up some equity in a mortgage? That property taxes are deductible?
Money pit? No more so than an apartment, particularly one where the management/landlord doesn't fix shit and you're on the hook.
Yes, homes cost more, but they're YOURS.
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I'll just focus on this little bit, vesta. Cheaper? In what regard? Sure a 1-bedroom hovel is "cheaper" than a 3- or 4-bedroom house, but did you stop to consider that you lose 100 percent of what you put into rent, whereas at least you're building up some equity in a mortgage? That property taxes are deductible?
Money pit? No more so than an apartment, particularly one where the management/landlord doesn't fix shit and you're on the hook.
Yes, homes cost more, but they're YOURS.
So you think their yours, guess again.
Zoning rules and regulations abound, one cannot get a permit to build much of anything , like a garage, until ALL neighbors that abutt you agree, just one neighbor can cause you grief.
If you live on the water just try to put in a dock, After town and federal inspection, someone shows up to claim the dock will prevent the EEl Grass from spreading. Now the whole design of the dock has to be changed and your back at step one.
One day you get a letter from some lawyer that claims the view his client has from their house of the lake 15 miles away is being blocked by your trees, they demand you either cut them down or have them topped off every 2 years, at your expense.
You may not even have privacy inside your own home. Across the river in Maine my daughter was house sitting for a couple all winter. One day there was a knock on the door and in comes a police man and some kind of official from the water department.
On the 2nd. floor a toilet was running constantly. As my daughter never went up stairs she had no knowledge of this.
Seems the water department are now reporting to the police any huge jumps in water usage in winter months as it could indicate some kind of farming going on that is illegal.
My Jeep has a plug to hook into an electric outlet in the winter to keep the oil warm, same as in Alaska in some places. I know that would cause few problems but what if I buy an electric car and my power consumption makes a steep jump, will I face a swat team and officials from the electric company demanding I prove to them I am doing nothing illegal ??
As far as the morgage on a home is conserned, the first 10 years we could deduct the interest but now we are into paying off the principel and that deduction is gone.
Much cheaper for me to rent--down size, sell the ride on lawnmower, the snow blower, all the stuff one needs to have to upkeep a lawn that is just there. Now if the plot was wooded that would be a different kettle of fish, but to be locked into having to maintain just grass is becoming a chore for no reason.
I would love to sell out and move into the nearest city, if the new neighbors drive me crazy I can move without all the crap one has to go through if one ownes, survaing the property, inspections, making sure the plumbing and wireing is up to new regulations in the code.
Condos are a no-no for me, the 3 people I know that have condos in the $400,000 range hate them. The Condo fees have gone up sky high in just 3 years for them and it takes months to get anything fixed.
As their investment shows their Condo gaing value, so do the taxes on the place, and the condo Association change the rules every year. Ones neighbor may have 3 pit bulls and you are not allowed a cat inside your home.
Everything is grandfathered in, no two familys live by the same rules.
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Boo-freakin-hoo, vesta. Nice broad brush you paint with there. BTW--how much equity do you have in your apartment?
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Boo-freakin-hoo, vesta. Nice broad brush you paint with there. BTW--how much equity do you have in your apartment?
About as much as some people have on their $45,000 SUV's or their fule monster Cigar Boats. Ever try to sell a Piper Cub after 10 years for more money then the initial cost ??
Priortys young man prioritys, A one bedroom hovel with a 52 inch TV, state of the art computer system and a Corvette in the lot, a 38 foot Owens At the dock, A 2 week vacation to some where to see outragious things in far away places,
Yes, I would trade that in a heart beat for owning a yard that needs to be mowed, furnance that blows up, hotwater heater and dishwasher that goes kaplunck in the night.
Lots of different kinds of pride in owener ship, the 1959 fully restored T Bird, or the Boy Toy on ones arm, Throphy wives for example or a beautiful home that one spends but 8 hours a day in most times.
Not all of us can afford everything, I have no problem with a hovel I can decorate and feel comfortable in if I can save money to travel, own bigtime toys and not have to stay at home and mow the grass or paint the eves.
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Congratulations, vesta--you've just epitomized the "entitlement" mentality. Spend your money on big toys and make someone else pay for the necessities of life.
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The only thing this thread taught me was the word 'farmette' - which is pretty much every house in the community where I deliver mail.
Its a stupid word.
The Bostonian Drunkard's mother, the cross-bearing carpetbagging maternal ancestress, has a "farmette" up there in New Hampshire.
One wonders why she moved away from Massachusetts, where her votes for corrupt Democrats made it a paradise.
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The Bostonian Drunkard's mother, the cross-bearing carpetbagging maternal ancestress, has a "farmette" up there in New Hampshire.
One wonders why she moved away from Massachusetts, where her votes for corrupt Democrats made it a paradise.
Because she, like most of the Massholes, Vermonters, and others from points south, see a place where taxes are still low and freedom still means something and think, "How can we **** this place up so it's just as bad as where we came from?"
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The only thing this thread taught me was the word 'farmette' - which is pretty much every house in the community where I deliver mail.
Its a stupid word.
It is a very stupid word. But in the DUmmy world, it means something. Remember, most of them live in tiny, drab apartments in sprawling developments, many government-owned and -operated. Others live in small homes with wheels, often with a skirt of corrugated plastic, on an itsy bitsy lot among hundreds of other such homes with wheels.
For these people, a "farmette" is any dwelling built on a permanent foundation, with any amount of dirt separating it from the adjacent dwelling. The qualifiers for the "farmette" classification are permanence and dirt, nothing else.
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So, a "farm-ette" is some city apartment with a garden in some vacant lot?
No it's on a real farm. The farmer does all the work. The people pay for the privilege of picking up a box of vegetables during harvest. Some farms allow people to pick the produce, some prepare the boxes themselves. It's actually not a bad deal for the farmer since usually there's a certain amount of shared risk if there's a crop failure. The real drawback, of course, is that you end up with a bunch of dirty hippies running around your farm. I wouldn't want my chickens contaminated.
Cindie
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The real drawback, of course, is that you end up with a bunch of dirty hippies running around your farm. I wouldn't want my chickens contaminated.
Uh huh.
That's why I let all the surplus gardenage here--which is about 99% of the gardenage, because there's so much of it, and franksolich is only one person with a limited stomach capacity--just simply return to nature, fertilizing the soil for another cycle.
I can't open it up to the public, because everybody else around here has surplus gardenage themselves.
And besides, the cats wouldn't like primitives from the "big city" coming here, and remember my number one rule: if the cats don't like something, it has to go.
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Ever try to sell a Piper Cub after 10 years for more money then the initial cost ??
Talk about something that you know something about........Piper stopped building "Cubs" in 1949 (in the original design), and to buy one today you would have to spend many times its original cost, and rising every year.........
doc
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Uh huh.
That's why I let all the surplus gardenage here--which is about 99% of the gardenage, because there's so much of it, and franksolich is only one person with a limited stomach capacity--just simply return to nature, fertilizing the soil for another cycle.
I can't open it up to the public, because everybody else around here has surplus gardenage themselves.
And besides, the cats wouldn't like primitives from the "big city" coming here, and remember my number one rule: if the cats don't like something, it has to go.
We collapsed our vegtable gardens and made them into more yard because the end result was waste. We still plant a few edibles, but no more than we would eat ourselves.
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Talk about something that you know something about........Piper stopped building "Cubs" in 1949 (in the original design), and to buy one today you would have to spend many times its original cost, and rising every year.........
doc
That's a no-shitter. A vintage Cub or Super Cub in restorable condition would be quite a hot item now.
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My Jeep has a plug to hook into an electric outlet in the winter to keep the oil warm, same as in Alaska in some places. I know that would cause few problems but what if I buy an electric car and my power consumption makes a steep jump, will I face a swat team and officials from the electric company demanding I prove to them I am doing nothing illegal ??
My diesel truck has the same thing, only it warms the water in the engine block. It only needs 2-3 hours to heat the water enough to start easily, so I bought a timer and set it to come on about 2-3 hours before I go to work.
Most of what you describe happens in dimorat controlled suburbs, not out here in the "real" country.
Although with the current "leadership" (and I use that term loosely), anything is possible....
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Frank, 99%? What, don't you harvest 50 lbs. of garlic and dehydrate it??
We just did pumpkins this year, cause we love Halloween. There's a kindly old man down the road who ekes his living off the land. I just go down and throw my business to him.
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Uh huh.
That's why I let all the surplus gardenage here--which is about 99% of the gardenage, because there's so much of it, and franksolich is only one person with a limited stomach capacity--just simply return to nature, fertilizing the soil for another cycle.
Hear, hear--I'm already freezing blueberries and raspberries. I may not get much of my other fruits this year, but time will tell.
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About as much as some people have on their $45,000 SUV's or their fule monster Cigar Boats. Ever try to sell a Piper Cub after 10 years for more money then the initial cost ??
Priortys young man prioritys, A one bedroom hovel with a 52 inch TV, state of the art computer system and a Corvette in the lot, a 38 foot Owens At the dock, A 2 week vacation to some where to see outragious things in far away places,
Yes, I would trade that in a heart beat for owning a yard that needs to be mowed, furnance that blows up, hotwater heater and dishwasher that goes kaplunck in the night.
Lots of different kinds of pride in owener ship, the 1959 fully restored T Bird, or the Boy Toy on ones arm, Throphy wives for example or a beautiful home that one spends but 8 hours a day in most times.
Not all of us can afford everything, I have no problem with a hovel I can decorate and feel comfortable in if I can save money to travel, own bigtime toys and not have to stay at home and mow the grass or paint the eves.
I think we are being rickrolled here. No one is this dumb. vestanumbers is the Chin Gigante of trolls.
vestanumbers intended to have the screen name vesta!!!, like an even more enthusiastic version of Lamar!, or Hillary!, but vestanumbers' screen name, like vestanumbers' thought process, is a typo.
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If I found out a house I was renting was in foreclosure, I would not pay another dime in rent (saving the rent money in a distinct bank account, in case the current owner ends up retaining the property), and I would not even think about moving out until someone could prove to me they owned the property. When the title does transfer, all previous rental agreements no longer exist, and I would be basically living in a house that has no rent, until a new agreement is made. If the new owner wanted me out, I would negotiate a deal with them, such as half the rent I was paying, in return for keeping the property up, and cooperating with any realtors or potential renters who want to look at the place. When you are living in a house that is in foreclosure (and you are not the owner), you hold all the cards.
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No one is this dumb.
Sadly, you are mistaken.
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These things do happen in life, I am surprised you are not that informed.
When people are in a position with no kids, it is way cheaper to rent then to own.
Owning a home is a money pit as we all know. YOU the owner are in charge of every darn thing that happens.
Say you inherit a family home with 50 acres and you have 3 kids. Fantastic, room for the kids to expend energy running about the fields or woods.
Out of that apartment you have so far raised the kids in that had a pool, workout room and someone on the desk 24/7.
The change from city life for the kids will take time, no best friends next door, no walking a block for a Slurpie. no playing basketball at the apt. complex court.
The kids hate country living, you sell out and head back to the city.
Nice place everything they had in the former complex. kids are now happy.
One day you find that the owner has not paid the taxes on their property, the banks are moving in and who knows else------You have 2 weeks to relocate your family.
All the good places have a 1 year waiting list, where do you go to wait for an apartment with the entities you are use to ?
Back to the farm where everyone is miserable, the kids are afraid of the bears that show up from time to time, the swimming pool you put in has water snakes the kids nearest friend is 5 miles down the road.
All this happened because way back then the owner of your apartment house never paid taxes.
So you are one to tough it out, you have 50 acres being taxed on, why not use them.
Government comes in to tell you 20 of those acres are wet land you now pay taxes on land you cannot use.
So you decide to farm the other 30 acres you own, in comes the government to tell you what you can or can not plant on your own property.
You decide to say to hell with the government and raise hogs---------no problem until the hog count gets over a couple hundred and then state inspectors come in to test them for disease.
By now all kids have run away and moved in with their grandparents .
So you and partner if they are still there move out, sell the farm and move into a one bedroom apartment and keep bags packed ready to go,
Sounds like a good plan to me, I keep my bags in the trunk of my car just in case.
Are ya stoned or just ****in stupid?
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Are ya stoned or just ****** stupid?
:lmao: Most likely a little of both at this point, my middle name is Confused.
I woke up one morning a few months ago and everything had become reversed over night.
First thing I noticed was our government and its leaders were talking socialism ideas that went against what I had been taught was a bad thing, now just a little socialism would not be a bad thing---we do benefit from social security benefits don't we ? So just a little bit more wont hurt.
Then I noticed that some of our leaders had no shame whats so ever. Our leaders have become hore-dogs and when caught in a compromising situation complain that their individual taste in sex and how they run their private lives is no ones business. Darn some gave the impression they were bragging about their escapades. My wife cant trust me but believe me I wont let YOU down.
Today I for the life of me cannot understand one darn thing about this CZAR business.
Who are they, what power do they have, who do they report to? Just what is their job description, can they be fired by the public that pays their wages [however much that is] if they are shown to be incompetent ?
It is not easy being me, stumbling about trying to understand why and how our society has got to at this point in time.
Being a Damn Yankee I cannot roll up in a ball and just go in and out with the tide.
Stupid, yes very, that is why I am here, to learn from others that are better educated then me, have had different experiences then I and come from a different culture, and generation.
OH Ree, have Patience with me, poor Sparky has had a few years of hair pulling when reading my posts, TX is not so bad, so far he has not called me a sewing machine.
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my middle name is Confused
My wife cant trust me
Today I for the life of me cannot understand one darn thing
It is not easy being me, stumbling about trying to understand
Stupid, yes very
Vestanumbers may not have the intelligence of an oyster, but at least he doesn't lie about it.
Unfortunately, his stupidity is the only thing understandable in any of his posts.
I still think there's a chance of a rickroll here.
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Vestanumbers may not have the intelligence of an oyster, but at least he doesn't lie about it.
Unfortunately, his stupidity is the only thing understandable in any of his posts.
I still think there's a chance of a rickroll here.
Never mind...she was talking in reference to the senators and governors who have affairs...good God, reading that is confusing indeed.