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Current Events => Breaking News => Topic started by: GOBUCKS on July 14, 2009, 10:37:36 PM
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A Pentagon-commissioned report urges the Defense Department to ban smoking in the military, even by combat troops in battle zones, a proposal that quickly ignited a controversy among service members.
The study, which was completed late last month by the Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of Sciences, recommends closing “the pipeline of new tobacco users entering the military” by prohibiting tobacco use in the service academies and officer-training programs like ROTC and eventually instituting a total ban on all use of tobacco by active-duty personnel.
The Defense Department said military health officials were studying the report and planned to make their recommendations to Defense Secretary Robert Gates.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31911204/ns/health-health_care/
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This story got a mention last week by one of Rush's guest hosts. Mark Davis from WBAP, I think.
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Does anyone know what the current tobacco restrictions are on military bases? I don't think there were any at all in the early 80's.
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Smoking blamed for billions in Pentagon, VA costs
The study, led by Stuart Bondurant, a professor of medicine and emeritus dean at the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill, said smoking and tobacco-related illnesses cost the Pentagon more than $800 million a year in lost productivity and health care expenses.
What's a billion here and a billion there to that chump in the White House? Small potatoes.
I guess since Uncle Sam will be running all of our health care soon, smoking will be made illegal across the country now.
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What's a billion here and a billion there to that chump in the White House? Small potatoes.
I guess since Uncle Sam will be running all of our health care soon, smoking will be made illegal across the country now.
The FDA does have the authority to regulate tobacco products, so it is possible that they can minimize the amount of addictive ingredients in cigarettes, making it easier to quit. (or to smoke more to get the same kick)
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Does anyone know what the current tobacco restrictions are on military bases? I don't think there were any at all in the early 80's.
No smoking in buildings, within 50 feet of doorways, some places have no smoking while walking (local unit policy). My last base, some of the barracks allowed smoking in the building if both roomies were smokers.
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And WHERE will he get replacement TAX REVENUE when revenue from tobacco products drys up?
I always get a charge out of DUNGOkraps because they ONLY know how to think in two dimensions - this is the problem and this is the solution. They don't even take into consideration the impact on other inter-related activities.
But then in order for the DUNGOkraps to think in two dimensions they would have to have brains larger than a gnats balls and we all know they don't.
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The height of hypocrisy, as the Obamessiah smokes cigarettes himself.
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The height of hypocrisy, as the Obamessiah smokes cigarettes himself.
He allegedly has quit - sort of a precursor to ascending to teh Throne.
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He allegedly has quit - sort of a precursor to ascending to teh Throne.
No he hasn't -- the entire Palin-can-outrun-him controversy surrounded his smoking habits. I think his quote was he has made a mess of his pledge to quit smoking. That pretty much defines his entire administration.
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Yeah, "I'm about 95% cured". Um, what? How in the hell can you be 95% cured? You're either off of it, or you're still on it. Hell, with that logic, I quit smoking. I quit smoking about 45 minutes ago. I'll pick it back up in about 30 minutes.
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And WHERE will he get replacement TAX REVENUE when revenue from tobacco products drys up?
Apply that to their entire platform. They raised taxes on cigs to pay for that stupid f'n SCHIP and then put millions of dollars of stimulus money into smoking cessation programs. Does that make sense? Not to anyone with an IQ over 80.
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I'm not a smoker, but that's as ****ed up as a soup sandwich.
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No he hasn't -- the entire Palin-can-outrun-him controversy surrounded his smoking habits. I think his quote was he has made a mess of his pledge to quit smoking. That pretty much defines his entire administration.
I stand corrected.
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I'm not a smoker, but that's as ****ed up as a soup sandwich.
Stolen. :rofl:
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He allegedly has quit - sort of a precursor to ascending to teh Throne.
Nope...he goes out behind the basketball court
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No smoking in buildings, within 50 feet of doorways, some places have no smoking while walking (local unit policy). My last base, some of the barracks allowed smoking in the building if both roomies were smokers.
When I stayed at the lodging in San Angelo, it wasn't any more restrictive than when I was on active duty, 15 years ago. No smoking in the buildings, period. Not a major deal. As far as while walking, that was an unwritten reg since the time I first joined the military, (1975), at least while one was in uniform. I don't think this will go over very well. As far as smoking related illnesses, I never once had a Sailor under me go to sick bay because of their smoking.
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When I stayed at the lodging in San Angelo, it wasn't any more restrictive than when I was on active duty, 15 years ago. No smoking in the buildings, period. Not a major deal. As far as while walking, that was an unwritten reg since the time I first joined the military, (1975), at least while one was in uniform. I don't think this will go over very well. As far as smoking related illnesses, I never once had a Sailor under me go to sick bay because of their smoking.
The problem is that in order to support their logic for civilian smoking bans.......everything including a head cold is now defined as a "smoking related illness".........
Why should the military be exempt from this form of twisted logic?
doc
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And WHERE will he get replacement TAX REVENUE when revenue from tobacco products drys up?
That's easy. They'll keep raising the taxes on a dminishing tax base to keep the tax income the same.
It's the same underlying approach to "taxing the rich". They really want fewer eeeeevil "rich people", so they keep taxing them at higher and higher rates so we're all "equal" at the end of the fiscal year.
:banghead:
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That's easy. They'll keep raising the taxes on a dminishing tax base to keep the tax income the same.
It's the same underlying approach to "taxing the rich". They really want fewer eeeeevil "rich people", so they keep taxing them at higher and higher rates so we're all "equal" at the end of the fiscal year.
:banghead:
The fundamental flaw in that logic is that "the evil rich" can afford the legal and accounting talent to simply take their wealth elsewhere to a more tax friendly environment. Jobs will be lost, and the economy in general will suffer. A single truism applies.......when was the last time that a poor person created a job for someone?
Back when the top income bracket was in the 70% range, pre Reagan, the only folks stupid enough to leave their primary income sources in the US were the fools in Hollywood.....nobody cares about them anyway........
doc
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The fundamental flaw in that logic is that "the evil rich" can afford the legal and accounting talent to simply take their wealth elsewhere to a more tax friendly environment. Jobs will be lost, and the economy in general will suffer. A single truism applies.......when was the last time that a poor person created a job for someone? Oh, I agree, it's not logical. It's liberal, so the two are mutually exclusive.
Back when the top income bracket was in the 70% range, pre Reagan, the only folks stupid enough to leave their primary income sources in the US were the fools in Hollywood.....nobody cares about them anyway........
doc
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No he hasn't -- the entire Palin-can-outrun-him controversy surrounded his smoking habits. I think his quote was he has made a mess of his pledge to quit smoking. That pretty much defines his entire administration.
Kinda wonderin' where he grabs his smoke break. I can well imagine there's a SSOTUS (Smoke Screen of the United States) that Lord Zero has his minions cart around so that he can, like the Mafia boss he thinks he is, smoke behind closed "doors" so he can't be photographed.
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Kinda wonderin' where he grabs his smoke break. I can well imagine there's a SSOTUS (Smoke Screen of the United States) that Lord Zero has his minions cart around so that he can, like the Mafia boss he thinks he is, smoke behind closed "doors" so he can't be photographed.
I'd love to see of him walking down a hallway in the WH on the way to a press conference and have him forget he's got a lit ciggy in his hand. :-) :fuelfire:
I can just see him take one more drag, drop it on the carpet and mash it out with his shoe.
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I'm not a smoker, but that's as ****ed up as a soup sandwich.
What?? You can make a sammich outta soup?
NO WAY!!!111
(Now where did I hide that can opener?)
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What?? You can make a sammich outta soup?
NO WAY!!!111
(Now where did I hide that can opener?)
The Pentagon replied; "**** You."
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Gates is quoted today on the DoD website saying he will NOT support a ban on smoking in any combat zone.
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I'm not a smoker, but that's as ****ed up as a soup sandwich.
I'm not one either and I agree
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Gates is quoted today on the DoD website saying he will NOT support a ban on smoking in any combat zone.
Has anyone pointed out to these folks idiots that tobacco smoke is nothing compared to other forms of smoke in a combat zone? Maybe they could get the enemy to quit and make nice first. :thatsright:
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Has anyone pointed out to these folks idiots that tobacco smoke is nothing compared to other forms of smoke in a combat zone? Maybe they could get the enemy to quit and make nice first. :thatsright:
The Smoking Nazi's could care less about the nasty carcinogens in the air in Iraq and Afghanistan that we breathe in all the time.
They're sole focus is making sure that no one can have access to a pack of smokes.
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The Smoking Nazi's could care less about the nasty carcinogens in the air in Iraq and Afghanistan that we breathe in all the time.
They're sole focus is making sure that no one can have access to a pack of smokes.
Personally, I would be more concerned with lead in the air and possible IEDs lying around than cigarette smoke.
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The Pentagon replied; "**** You."
Major, it was a guy IN the Pentagon, I think appointed by Obama, that suggested it. The reason behind the "hell no" wasn't due to it being unconstitutional, the reason is Gates said troops didn't need the extra stress. I agree.
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What?? You can make a sammich outta soup?
NO WAY!!!111
(Now where did I hide that can opener?)
Never been in the military? The correct vernacular is, "You sumbitch, you're ate up like a soup sandwich!".
BTW, anyone ever seen the 8th ID patch? :lmao:
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Never been in the military? The correct vernacular is, "You sumbitch, you're ate up like a soup sandwich!".
BTW, anyone ever seen the 8th ID patch? :lmao:
Ate UP, BABY!!!!! :rotf:
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Ate UP, BABY!!!!! :rotf:
We have people googling, Dutch. The only ones that won't have to are probably Euph (most certainly), and a few others. :lmao:
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We have people googling, Dutch. The only ones that won't have to are probably Euph (most certainly), and a few others. :lmao:
Mannheim: '86-'88 4/8 INF, Baby!
(http://www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/Images/Image162.gif)
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I was actually referring to:
(http://www.atthefront.com/uspatch_8thID.jpg)
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I was actually referring to:
(http://www.atthefront.com/uspatch_8thID.jpg)
yes, I know what patch you were refering to. That was trhe unit crest of the 8th Infantry REG I showed. My old unit when I was in Germany.
'The 8 is for how many hours it took to fly here, the small 0 at the top is your asshole when you got here, the bottom 0 is your asshole when you leave!"
eight (ATE) UP
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We have people googling, Dutch. The only ones that won't have to are probably Euph (most certainly), and a few others. :lmao:
I could sell you a stack of them off my old pre-BDU fatigues. Mannheim, Sullivan Barracks, 5-68 Armor, 76-79. "Ate up" was not such a popular expression then, we mostly referred to it as "Crazy Eight - with the Golden Shaft right up the middle!"
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We have people googling, Dutch. The only ones that won't have to are probably Euph (most certainly), and a few others. :lmao:
Count me in those "few others" LOL!
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I could sell you a stack of them off my old pre-BDU fatigues. Mannheim, Sullivan Barracks, 5-68 Armor, 76-79. "Ate up" was not such a popular expression then, we mostly referred to it as "Crazy Eight - with the Golden Shaft right up the middle!"
Sullivan Barracks was across from teh PX right? at the..um...Kafertal Wald strasse exit?
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I was actually referring to:
(http://www.atthefront.com/uspatch_8thID.jpg)
Yep, that's my boy. Actually, I served in the 8th ID "Pathfinders" (not 8 Up, you freakin' dweebs :rotf: :lmao: ) only from Sept. 91 till Jan. 92, when the division was reflagged to 1AD.
Served twice in 1AD - from '79-82 in Ansbach, then 92-95 in Bad Kreuznach.
BK was an odd town - never cared for it much. I think it was the leftover stink from the Frogs after WWI.
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Sullivan Barracks was across from teh PX right? at the..um...Kafertal Wald strasse exit?
Yup, that's it. I assume you were at Coleman, which when I was there was 2-13 IN, 3-8 CAV, and the BDE HQ (Along with a bunch of non-divisional units like 97 SIG and the Stockade).
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What about when smoking is used as a tool during a meet and greet? Offering a cigarette to a potential information source is a way to break the ice. Granted, it's a small issue but one of those unintended consequences kind of things.
Cindie
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Or when a local national offers a Soldier a cigarette? We are told to never refuse one, and to smoke it with them. Will that Soldier be in trouble for violating regs?
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WTF is it with the Democrat Party and their incessant NEED to use the military as some kind of social experiment?
They push the envelope with women in combat zones and ban adult magazines.
They give us the worst pay raises and force junior enlisted to sign up for welfare.
Clinton took away the big discount on smokes that we used to enjoy in the military and now Obama wants to take them away from us for good.
I just don't get it.
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WTF is it with the Democrat Party and their incessant NEED to use the military as some kind of social experiment?
They push the envelope with women in combat zones and ban adult magazines.
They give us the worst pay raises and force junior enlisted to sign up for welfare.
Clinton took away the big discount on smokes that we used to enjoy in the military and now Obama wants to take them away from us for good.
I just don't get it.
Plus that stupid b!tch Sen. Boxer or one of those nuts out in CA said a couple of years ago that military personnel do not need a raise.
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WTF is it with the Democrat Party and their incessant NEED to use the military as some kind of social experiment?
They push the envelope with women in combat zones and ban adult magazines.
They give us the worst pay raises and force junior enlisted to sign up for welfare.
Clinton took away the big discount on smokes that we used to enjoy in the military and now Obama wants to take them away from us for good.
I just don't get it.
Political correctness - pure and simple.
The Head Shed is so afraid of offending people that in order to defend their socialist, liberal agenda, they throw the military into various schemes to create data to support their position.
I have to say, however, that integrating the military (as one of Truman's social experiments) was the right thing to do. Some well-respected leaders of the day (Omar Bradley, for one) resisted that, which thereby dragged the process out till long after Truman left office. (All services tended to drag their collective feet on this one. For further information, do a Google on the Gillem Board.)
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Political correctness - pure and simple.
And the hell of it is...there is nothing politically correct about what goes on out on the battlefield.
The Head Shed is so afraid of offending people that in order to defend their socialist, liberal agenda, they throw the military into various schemes to create data to support their position.
IMHO then we need to change how Generals are selected. I've never liked the fact they have to have some kind of Rabbi in the house and/or Senate that they have to kiss ass to for their next star.
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And the hell of it is...there is nothing politically correct about what goes on out on the battlefield.
IMHO then we need to change how Generals are selected. I've never liked the fact they have to have some kind of Rabbi in the house and/or Senate that they have to kiss ass to for their next star.
Generals and leaders like Patton are dinosaurs. Patton, IMO, was the consummate warrior leader. Nowadays. they don't seem to have much in the line of BALLS.
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I think it's a secret government program to create a breed of crazed killing machines because nothing is crankier than a smoker suddenly forced to go cold turkey.