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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: bijou on June 25, 2009, 03:41:36 PM
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OneGrassRoot (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-25-09 11:02 AM
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One realization I have this morning...
is that I do need to remove myself, somehow, from caring so much about these other realities that people are experiencing, especially if it's a reality I don't choose to experience. (see "your reaction to the Sanford fiasco" thread below)
My desire to stay informed is largely to help people like my aunt see the truth -- not my interpretation of truth, but hard facts -- since they get all of their information from one source.
That's hopeless. They don't believe facts; they believe all liberals and all media are lying.
People see and hear what they want to see and hear.
The same is true of my partner. She sees and hears what she wants to see and hear.
And, who am I to judge that? I'm sure I do it to a certain degree as well without being aware of it.
Now the question is, how to EXIST in the same world WITH people who see and hear things so differently than I do yet we're supposed to make decisions and create things together.
I've always voted for a translator of sorts, but that is frowned upon.
I didn't receive the guidance dream I called forth. Oh well, it will come in some form soon, I trust.....
What this release does provide me is that I no longer have a need to follow what Faux News and others are saying about this, that and the other. Yes, it frightens me that they lie and feed fear and hatred, but I can't change it, as those listening WANT to hear what they're saying. They'll find it somewhere if they didn't get it at Faux. It feeds their worldview. No other truths matter. It is THEIR reality.
So, I'm focused on MY reality. Creating it to the best of my ability to be the experience of MY choosing.
Still, the dilemma, is that others' realities impinge upon mine nonstop. How to work with that, detach from it, move beyond it? I don't know....I'm confused about that this morning.
I realize how I respond TO it is what's mostly within my control. Still, do I respond by detaching, trying to work with, or moving beyond it? lolol
northernlights (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-25-09 11:28 AM
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1. boy do I hear you, OGR
I don't know how we co-exist in the same physical reality as they do. My last job was working for a bunch of freepers. It was such a sick, sick environment, and they had no qualms whatsoever about bringing their rage into my home and taking it out on my defenseless animals. It took me months to get over the physical illness of being around them.
But I need to earn a living...and they seem to be everywhere.
I don't think you can work with it. As you write, they WANT to hear what they are hearing when they listen to FAUX. It is like a drug for them...they are addicted to rage and hate. And behind it all is huge, huge primal fear. The rage and hate drowns out and quells their fear. When they don't cling to their hate, the fear rises up. They're too cowardly to face it. I remember my freeper boss literally white-faced and trembling, after listening to hate-radio crap, yelling over and over, "But they want to KILL us all!!! They want to KILL us all!!" Mr. Kristian Konservative didn't even trust the god he thinks he fervently believes in to protect him, lol.
Their "filters" are so gummed up and dirty with fear and crap, they can't see facts right under their noses, or recognize them when they trip over them or are hit on the head with them.
And part of their "game" has always been to provoke, provoke, provoke with the intent of starting a gang fight. Because they are a bunch of cowardly bullies with big chips on their shoulders. In the case of your relatives, that means *just don't answer the phone.* You cannot change them. You can only put them on the big *IGNORE.*
I'm just hoping to find an environment where I can earn a decent living and not be working for or with them again. That's one plus of the medical setting -- most of them can't make it through the schooling, those that do are changed *by* the education and their surroundings. Even though I disagree with much of western medicine, I find that a lot of the better nurses also do. They do herbs, they do reiki, they try to change the system from within the system.
Other than that, I think all any of us can really do is just stay focused in our own reality and avoid contact with their reality. But even though my neighbors present a real physical threat, I no longer worry about it. For one thing, I've slowly learned that, now that Obama and the dems have won and they're clearly outnumbered, if you say "boo!" to them they will back down. For another, my horses have gotten smart. When my freeper-idjit neighbor opened their gate wide open to try to entice them to escape...they headed the other way, to the most remote pasture we have. I guess they know better than to get near freepers or follow their lead too, lol.
MorningGlow (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-25-09 03:30 PM
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8. What you're describing is the Shift in a nutshell
Much as some people (*cough* my former elder *cough*) want the Shift to be the pagan version of the Rapture, with the worthy folk being hoovered up into an alternate, idyllic existence, leaving the pond scum folk to wallow in their own filth, that is NOT what the Shift is.
We're all going to be here. Right here. We chose Earth for this experience, and here we stay. We will exist side by side with people who see things in different ways. Our "ascension" hinges on, as you said, HOW we perceive reality, what reality we create for ourselves. Are we going to be bitter and angry and fearful? Or are we going to be trusting and loving and kind to one another? That answer illustrates which reality we're going to choose.
I love my aunt (the one I went off on a few weeks ago); she is very dear to me. We made it eight and a half years without having a blowup, so I figure my freakout was, proportional to the time frame of the buildup, mild.
I will continue to love my aunt and value her; however, we have to return to the reality we had created before, where there is NO WAY we can ever bring up politics, right-wing talk radio, gay rights, environmentalism, or anything else we part ways on--a DMZ of sorts. That's how we're going to cope and coexist.
On another note, I'm grappling with how to deal with the Shift with regard to Mr. MG. He is a good person, but he carries a lot of anger. He "hates" everything--no joke--I mean EVERYthing. Hates our house. Hates the village we live in. Hates our neighbors. Hates people in general (they're all "stupid"). Hates hates hates. His approach to life makes it very difficult to live with him (for someone like us, I mean--other people might not even notice it or be bothered by it).
We had a long talk about it, and I told him that I can't abide how much hate and anger he has. (BTW, he swears MG Jr. and I are not included in the "I hate everything" life view.) After he thought about it for a while, he announced that he was going to change. He agreed that it's not healthy to be this way, so he's going to stop griping about everything. "It's just a house" he said, echoing what I told him before. "And I can ignore our neighbors when they act like assholes." He agreed with what I had said--that there are jerks everywhere, and we have to recognize that we can't change them OR run away from them; our reality is not who we surround ourselves with, but how we react (or don't react) to the people who rub us the wrong way--how we let them affect us (or not--preferably not).
But honestly, I'm not sure he can manage it. It's like an alcoholic swearing off booze without the help of AA--are they really off it, or just burying it and ignoring it, where it'll fester and be worse in the long run? After all, what is fear and hatred but an addiction?
I have decided to give him the benefit of the doubt, but my guard is up, let's say. Will we be able to continue to live together if I embrace the ascension and he doesn't? That's a really big question. I'm not liking the answer I'm seeing at the moment.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=245x95321
So that's the answer, I need to choose a different reality.
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I'm just hoping to find an environment where I can earn a decent living and not be working for or with them again.
Guess what idiot....you won`t because your ilk isn`t intelligent or motivated enough to own businesses.
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What the fu.....dge?
.....they had no qualms whatsoever about bringing their rage into my home and taking it out on my defenseless animals.....
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I've always voted for a translator of sorts, but that is frowned upon.
I didn't receive the guidance dream I called forth. Oh well, it will come in some form soon, I trust.....
Ah yes, the voice of Reason and Reality.
:lmao: :rotf: :lmao: :rotf: :lmao: :rotf:
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That's hopeless. They don't believe facts; they believe all liberals and all media are lying.
Jeez, pot...kettle...you get the drill. :mental:
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What the fu.....dge?
Probably her animals are psychic and get upset by the vibrations or something ... :mental:
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There's a whole other level of insanity in the Astrology, Spirituality & Alternative Healing Group. Wow, are these loons relics of the 60's and the drugs never left their systems or what?
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Damn.............the DUmmies really need to stop chewing on lead pencils over there. :mental:
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More graduates of the W. Rivers Pitt School of Journalism. But William Rivers Pitt is just dumb and comical and pretentious.
The. Worst. Writer. Ever.
These people are really involuntary-commitment beam-me-up deranged.
So, I'm focused on MY reality. Creating it to the best of my ability to be the experience of MY choosing.
Still, the dilemma is that others' realities impinge upon mine nonstop.
This is actually a pretty well-written and accurate description of a serious mental illness from the patient's perspective.
My desire to stay informed is largely to help people like my aunt see the truth -- not my interpretation of truth, but hard facts -- since they get all of their information from one source.
I'm not especially compassionate, but I really feel sorry for this moonbat's aunt.
My last job was working for a bunch of freepers
That description fits nearly all non-government jobs.
It was such a sick, sick environment, and they had no qualms whatsoever about bringing their rage into my home and taking it out on my defenseless animals. It took me months to get over the physical illness of being around them.
The moonbat would go home and beat his dog.
I just noticed this was posted on the DUmp spook board, so I guess these people are normal for that group.
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OneGrassRoot
Still, the dilemma, is that others' realities impinge upon mine nonstop. How to work with that, detach from it, move beyond it? I don't know....I'm confused about that this morning.
:ohnoes:
OH NOOOOOOOS!!!!!! There's people on the planet who disagree with me. Whatever shall I do??????
What a :mental:
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Wow! Just wow! There really is alot of good material here! In my breif time at CC, with my new found love for the ongoing study of moonbat liberalism(ie the dump)this is quite possibly the looniest thread I have seen so far, and thats saying something.
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Wow! Just wow! There really is alot of good material here! In my breif time at CC, with my new found love for the ongoing study of moonbat liberalism(ie the dump)this is quite possibly the looniest thread I have seen so far, and thats saying something.
You ain't seen nuthin' yet.
Hardly nuthin' at all.
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Pass the 'shrooms, please. :mental: :caveman: :loser2:
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"I'm focused on MY reality."
That should be the motto of DU.
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I feel stupid when I read stuff like that because all I'm left with is .....HUH?.
I can't believe I read the whole thing.