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Current Events => Politics => Topic started by: Chris_ on June 19, 2009, 07:20:56 AM
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Senate Backs Apology for Slavery
The Senate unanimously passed a resolution yesterday apologizing for slavery, making way for a joint congressional resolution and the latest attempt by the federal government to take responsibility for 2 1/2 centuries of slavery.
"You wonder why we didn't do it 100 years ago," Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa), lead sponsor of the resolution, said after the unanimous-consent vote. "It is important to have a collective response to a collective injustice."
The Senate's apology follows a similar apology passed last year by the House. One key difference is that the Senate version explicitly deals with the long-simmering issue of whether slavery descendants are entitled to reparations, saying that the resolution cannot be used in support of claims for restitution. The House is expected to revisit the issue next week to conform its resolution to the Senate version.
Harkin, who called the Senate's vote an "important and significant milestone," said he wanted the resolution passed yesterday to closely coincide with Juneteenth, a holiday first celebrated by former slaves to mark their emancipation.
Ok, I apologize for all the slaves I have owned.
Idiots. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/18/AR2009061803877.html?hpid=moreheadlines) :banghead:
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My personal apology will be forthcoming as soon as any slaves I used to own step forward.
Waiting.
Waiting.
Hey now, I'm not going to hold my breath while I'm waiting.
Waiting.
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It is precisely this type of warm 'n fuzzy bullshit that makes me see red.
But as long as they (the Congress) are wasting our time and resources on silly shit like this, they can't be spending all that much time on truly dangerous plans, like Lord Zero's Massive Welfare for Misfits, Lazies, and Ne'er-Do-Wells.
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Can monetary restitution be far behind?
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Can monetary restitution be far behind?
The article says that the Senate version specifically excludes reparations, unlike the House version. But that the House is expected to convene next week to waste more time to adopt the Senate version.
Magnificent. These politicians are truly stunning in their drive and determination to waste time on silly-assed sentiments such as "It is the sense of the House that...." and addressing horseshit that went by the wayside with the 13th Amendment.
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I actually support this because I think it makes some feel better and might encourage some healing. However, I can't help but wonder where the apology to the Indians is and other minorities done wrong in this country.
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I actually support this because I think it makes some feel better and might encourage some healing. However, I can't help but wonder where the apology to the Indians is and other minorities done wrong in this country.
Who? Who does it make feel better? Do you know anyone that was a slave?
It's a buncha bullshit. That's all. I will personally give 40 acres of my inheritance, along with a ****ing mule I purchase, to ANYONE who can prove they were a slave in this country.
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I actually support this because I think it makes some feel better and might encourage some healing. However, I can't help but wonder where the apology to the Indians is and other minorities done wrong in this country.
That's precisely the point. Where does it end?
Do we have to apologize to the Inuits for giving them snowmobiles and creating global warming such that their igloos melt?
Do we have to apologize to the United Mine Workers because in our zest for coal, we've managed to kill 2,746 mine workers due to collapsing tunnels?
Do we have to apologize to the apologists because we can't find enough to apologize for?
This kind of bullshit is designed to do NOTHING but make a certain class of people "feel good." The last time I checked, it isn't the job of the U.S. Congress to make ANY class of people "feel good."
This is straightahead politics at its worst - it does nothing, solves nothing, but some people wind up "feeling good."
**** that. :censored:
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Who? Who does it make feel better? Do you know anyone that was a slave?
It's a buncha bullshit. That's all. I will personally give 40 acres of my inheritance, along with a ****ing mule I purchase, to ANYONE who can prove they were a slave in this country.
People who were descendents of slaves? I've spoken to black people who weren't a part of particular situations, and they said it would make them feel better just to hear the words "I'm sorry."
FWIW, I'm more in favor of giving minorities who don't have a job the training they need, along with other ways to help the ones of today.
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That's precisely the point. Where does it end?
Do we have to apologize to the Inuits for giving them snowmobiles and creating global warming such that their igloos melt?
Do we have to apologize to the United Mine Workers because in our zest for coal, we've managed to kill 2,746 mine workers due to collapsing tunnels?
Do we have to apologize to the apologists because we can't find enough to apologize for?
This kind of bullshit is designed to do NOTHING but make a certain class of people "feel good." The last time I checked, it isn't the job of the U.S. Congress to make ANY class of people "feel good."
This is straightahead politics at its worst - it does nothing, solves nothing, but some people wind up "feeling good."
**** that. :censored:
I still want an apology for the US government killing a third of my people (Cherokee Indians) in the Trail of Tears. Instead, the guy behind it was put on a dollar. Actually, I don't want an apology, but my point stands.
And even though I'm Catholic, I want an apology from the Catholics. I know they did some of my Protestant Irish ancestors wrong.
Forget the past. I want an apology from Governor Perdue for attacking teachers the way she does.
Oh, and I want to apologize to everybody here because my British ancestors were probably pricks to your ancestors. lol.
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People who were descendents of slaves? I've spoken to black people who weren't a part of particular situations, and they said it would make them feel better just to hear the words "I'm sorry."
If they need someone to tell them "I'm sorry" for something that never even happened to'em, they need to see a shrink.
FWIW, I'm more in favor of giving minorities who don't have a job the training they need, along with other ways to help the ones of today.
WTF? It's this type of thinking that is the definitive term "racism". It was the liberals who lowered standards after integration because they didn't think blacks could compete. It's this type of thinking that is holding them down right f'n now. Giving them training? What are they, f'n incompetent 5 year olds who can't make it without whitey's help?
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I still want an apology for the US government killing a third of my people (Cherokee Indians) in the Trail of Tears. Instead, the guy behind it was put on a dollar. Actually, I don't want an apology, but my point stands.
And even though I'm Catholic, I want an apology from the Catholics. I know they did some of my Protestant Irish ancestors wrong.
Forget the past. I want an apology from Governor Perdue for attacking teachers the way she does.
Oh, and I want to apologize to everybody here because my British ancestors were probably pricks to your ancestors. lol.
I'm Scottish, Irish, and Cherokee. They can keep their ****in' apology. I'm 36.
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I was gonna say, nobody from "da gub'mint" trained me and put me in the job I'm in now. Yes, I served and got a start, but what I did with that from the time I left until today is purely of my own initiative, not sitting on my ass waiting for someone to hand it to me.
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People who were descendents of slaves? I've spoken to black people who weren't a part of particular situations, and they said it would make them feel better just to hear the words "I'm sorry."
FWIW, I'm more in favor of giving minorities who don't have a job the training they need, along with other ways to help the ones of today.
Then those people need to get a ****in life. Racism will never end until people get over the "past" slavery didn't happen to anyone alive today.
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I'm Scottish, Irish, and Cherokee. They can keep their ****in' apology. I'm 36.
Irish? Now I know where your temper comes from. lol.
(It's a joke. I'm Irish too. Don't hurt me. lol).
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I actually support this because I think it makes some feel better and might encourage some healing. However, I can't help but wonder where the apology to the Indians is and other minorities done wrong in this country.
People need to be healed because their grandfather was oned by someone else's grandfather? WTH?
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If they need someone to tell them "I'm sorry" for something that never even happened to'em, they need to see a shrink.
WTF? It's this type of thinking that is the definitive term "racism". It was the liberals who lowered standards after integration because they didn't think blacks could compete. It's this type of thinking that is holding them down right f'n now. Giving them training? What are they, f'n incompetent 5 year olds who can't make it without whitey's help?
Jesse Helms favored it.
http://www.jessehelmscenter.org/jessehelms/fictionortruth.asp#fic2
In his earliest correspondence, Jesse Helms rejected the doctrine of white supremacy and as manager of WRAL-TV he hired both minorities and women in responsible positions, even proposing to set up a department at WRAL for the sole purpose of training minority candidates for significant career opportunities.
In any case, I actually favor doing this for people who are poor. It's just that I know there are a lot of people who aren't white who are poor. The poverty level for blacks is actually very high. People who were born poor (no matter what color they are) have put up with a society always telling them they can't be anything more than what they are now. I think we should put in place more programs telling them they can be more.
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People who were descendents of slaves? I've spoken to black people who weren't a part of particular situations, and they said it would make them feel better just to hear the words "I'm sorry."
What are the chances liberals will make all us conservatives feel better by saying they're sorry? :whatever:
FWIW, I'm more in favor of giving minorities who don't have a job the training they need, along with other ways to help the ones of today.
Being a minority is a requirement then? Seems mighty racist/sexist of you.
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Jesse Helms favored it.
http://www.jessehelmscenter.org/jessehelms/fictionortruth.asp#fic2
In any case, I actually favor doing this for people who are poor. It's just that I know there are a lot of people who aren't white who are poor. The poverty level for blacks is actually very high. People who were born poor (no matter what color they are) have put up with a society always telling them they can't be anything more than what they are now. I think we should put in place more programs telling them they can be more.
We need to get rid of programs that do just the opposite. NAACP, UNCF, LULAC, and a huge chunk of the government would be a good start.
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I think this is a waste of time. Reparations can't be far behind. Also, what was left unaddressed are the black people that owned black slaves. (YES, it DID happen!!)
[sarcasm]When do us white people get reparations from the Romans, Muslims, and other whites who enslaved our ancestors?? [/sarcasm]
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I suppose Obama will be due 1/2 of an apology. :rotf:
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Jesse Helms favored it.
http://www.jessehelmscenter.org/jessehelms/fictionortruth.asp#fic2
In any case, I actually favor doing this for people who are poor. It's just that I know there are a lot of people who aren't white who are poor. The poverty level for blacks is actually very high. People who were born poor (no matter what color they are) have put up with a society always telling them they can't be anything more than what they are now. I think we should put in place more programs telling them they can be more.
Who the **** cares what Jesse Helms favored? Over here on the conservative side of the aisle, we're individualists. We don't need someone to tell us how we think. Probably why we can't form rallies as well as the left.
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Who the **** cares what Jesse Helms favored? Over here on the conservative side of the aisle, we're individualists. We don't need someone to tell us how we think. Probably why we can't form rallies as well as the left.
Depends on which conservatives we're discussing as to how well they form rallies.
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People who were descendents of slaves? I've spoken to black people who weren't a part of particular situations, and they said it would make them feel better just to hear the words "I'm sorry."
Sure they will... as long as it comes with a check.
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I still want an apology for the US government killing a third of my people (Cherokee Indians) in the Trail of Tears. Instead, the guy behind it was put on a dollar. Actually, I don't want an apology, but my point stands.
And even though I'm Catholic, I want an apology from the Catholics. I know they did some of my Protestant Irish ancestors wrong.
Forget the past. I want an apology from Governor Perdue for attacking teachers the way she does.
Oh, and I want to apologize to everybody here because my British ancestors were probably pricks to your ancestors. lol.
Not to worry; my ancestors killed most of yours. LOL.
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Who the **** cares what Jesse Helms favored? Over here on the conservative side of the aisle, we're individualists. We don't need someone to tell us how we think. Probably why we can't form rallies as well as the left.
Well that and the fact that most conservsatives actually work for a living and don't have time to rally on a Monday - Friday afternoon.
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W(hy)TF should anyone offer an apology for shit that happened long before they were born? This includes the idiots in Congress today.
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WTF? I mean come on people. Just because I'm mostly German with a bit of French and English thrown in, doesn't mean I shouldn't also receive an apology! Gosh darn it; Rich, Rebel, Lanie, Thor, Lug-nut... all of you should apologize to me for something neither of us had a part in!!!!
On a related note, soft baked chocolate chip cookies are an acceptable substitute in lieu of an apology :-)
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Strange things about slavery.
There were slaves in Africa long before there were slaves here.
Most of the slaves that were brought to the US from Africa were sold or traded to the slave traders by other Africans.
The last time I checked the continent with the highest incident of slavery in modern times was Africa.
Some conjecture on slavery...
We are led to believe that slaves in the US were constantly beaten. Based on my experience living in farming country I find this a little difficult to believe.
Before I go any farther let's think about farming in modern times. First, farm equipment is usually very expensive. Second, farm equipment is usually essential to the farmer's financial bottom-line. As a result, most farmers take care of their equipment. With a few exceptions, they don't beat the hell out of their expensive and needed equipment.
When slavery was going on in the US, the slave owners viewed the slaves as equipment. Much like farm equipment today, slaves were very expensive to purchase. Slaves were also, at the time, essential to the plantation owners financial bottom-line. With that in mind I don't think that slaves were constantly beaten. Don't get me wrong, I know it happened on occasion. I just don't think it was as wide spread and as common as some history books would have you believe.
I believe that slave beatings became such a focal point because that was one of the few things that separated the southern plantation from the northern factories. The northern abolitionists couldn't really focus on the slaves' work conditions because the work conditions in the northern factories were also dreadful.
I also believe that focusing on slave beatings, even if they were wide spread, softens the evilness of slavery. I say that because the bad thing about slavery wasn't that the slaves may have been beaten. Nor was the bad thing that the slaves had to work hard in poor conditions. The bad thing about slavery (the thing that makes it evil) was the slave's lack of freedom. The slave's entire existence was tied to the will of the slave owner.
I say all of this because I think it is somewhat relevant today. It's relevant not only because of the discussion of apologies, but also because with each new program and policy that Zero and the capitol hill donkey show enacts our existence becomes more tied to the will of the federal government. Zero and the donkey show, in many ways, are acting like they own us.
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Electing the big "0" is apology enough........
What I'd like to know is, when will he, if ever, apologize for making slaves outta all of us.
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I still want an apology for the US government killing a third of my people (Cherokee Indians) in the Trail of Tears...
I'm part Carib indian; from which the Carribean islands draws their names. They were some of the first tribes to meet white europeans. Their culture was devastated far beyond that of mainland American tribes.
Yet, they were also cannibals. Is an apology due to the cannibals?
How about tribes that counted coup? People got so exercised because Rodney King got a beatdown after getting hopped-up on PCP and leading the cops on a 100+ mile/hour chase but were supposed to feel sorry for a society that ritualized bashing people's skulls with rocks on sticks in the name of proving one's manhood.
And I'll wager the tribes the whites found had probably displaced a few tribes themselves in the 20,000 some-odd years before the honkies ever showed-up.
Wanna get deeper? How about the pre-human species exterminated by humanity during its evolutionary ascension? Do homo sapiens owe an apology to cro magnon for the competition of resources? (liberals do profess to be evolutionists you know...they insist on it exclusivey in schools) "No War for Elk!"
And, no, it's not a false analogy because if you ever read John C. Calhoun's "Disquisition of Government" you'll see he justifies white ownership of blacks based on white's technological superiority, i.e. steam engines and gunpowder (ironically, christians were the first abolitionists).
Maybe instead of the US apologising the evolutionists should apologise.
What about those in the US that fought for abolition and civil rights? Why are they subject to this collectivist guilt?
How about the political party that opposed abolition and used it as an excuse to commit treason? I bet you'll never hear a democrat call for that shit.
Wanna do something about slavery? Tell the muslims to stop taking slaves today.
It's all a bunch of manufactured outrage.
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Irish? Now I know where your temper comes from. lol.
I don't have a temper. I'm just a dick.
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Will the Yankees apologize to the Rebels?
http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/sherman.htm
Take a break and read about Sherman and how the slaves had to be "freed" at the point of a gun.
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I don't have a temper. I'm just a dick.
Thank you for that clarification. :)
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I don't have a temper. I'm just a dick.
I was wondering why the slit on the top of your head ?!?!?!?!? :fuelfire:
:tongue:
:rotf:
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Still waiting for my casino! :uhsure: :-)
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WHERE ARE MY COOKIES!!!! :banghead: :thatsright: :banghead:
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I want an apology from the French. I had ancestors who were French aristocracy, and they were forced to flee to America during the French Revolution. I could be a freakin' Duchess if they hadn't been forced out of their homes. Where's my compensation?
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I want an apology from the French. I had ancestors who were French aristocracy, and they were forced to flee to America during the French Revolution. I could be a freakin' Duchess if they hadn't been forced out of their homes. Where's my compensation?
Actually, you owe the French aristocracy a thank you because they ensured that you are here instead.
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Actually, you owe the French aristocracy a thank you because they ensured that you are here instead.
You could say the same thing about Negroes that live here today. 99.99999% of them living in Africa would not have good food, decent housing, a TV, a cell phone, a car, health insurance, etc., etc. Everyone that lives in the US should thank their lucky stars that they are living in the greatest country in the world. Did I mention opportunity that their homeland does not offer to the lower class.
Ungrateful liberals in the US should be worrying about making a better life for themselves rather than bitching about stupid crap like an apology.
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I think the liberals should do a lot more things like this. That way they'd have less time to screw up important things.
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You could say the same thing about Negroes that live here today. 99.99999% of them living in Africa would not have good food, decent housing, a TV, a cell phone, a car, health insurance, etc., etc. Everyone that lives in the US should thank their lucky stars that they are living in the greatest country in the world. Did I mention opportunity that their homeland does not offer to the lower class.
Ungrateful liberals in the US should be worrying about making a better life for themselves rather than bitching about stupid crap like an apology.
Uh, I was actually poking fun at that argument by saying that.
As for the last line, I agree, except the liberal part. I know lots of liberals who have made good lives for themselves.
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Uh, I was actually poking fun at that argument by saying that.
As for the last line, I agree, except the liberal part. I know lots of liberals who have made good lives for themselves.
Yeah, at EVERYBODY else's expense......
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Let's see:
The Roman Catholic Church should apologize to all of Europe for persecuting non-Catholics and Protestants.
China and Japan should apologize to Korea for invading and taking their land.
England should apologize to Ireland, Scotland, and Wales for invading and taking their land.
It could go on and on. Slave reparation was done in the form of Liberia and Sierra Leone. Yes, they are failed nations, but they were for slaves who wanted to go back to Africa. Also, the Civil War was fought in part to end slavery. Blacks fought for both the Confederacy and Union.
I am Korean and China and Japan have invaded Korea so many times. China took what northeast part of China, which was Korea's land many years ago. Where is my piece of land? Well, I am happy here in America.
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Uh, I was actually poking fun at that argument by saying that.
As for the last line, I agree, except the liberal part. I know lots of liberals who have made good lives for themselves.
You don't know any polliticans then.
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You don't know any polliticans then.
I think they probably made good lives for themselves too, although they may not have made good lives for others.