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Oh my.
The rich kid grazing primitive:
jgraz (1000+ posts) Sat Jun-13-09 09:31 PM
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How does a human being reach 25 years of age and not know that veal is baby cow???
I had friends over for dinner last night and served Osso Buco. Everyone was told what we were having so they could back out if they were squeamish about eating veal (free-range, grass-fed, organic veal, but veal nonetheless).
One of my buddies brought his new date/girlfriend over and halfway through the meal she says, "You know, I always wondered where veal comes from."
This was followed by 15-30 seconds of all of us holding our forks in mid-bite and looking at each other. Then boyfriend calmly explained exactly where veal comes from.
Of course, that was the last bite of Osso Buco she had. And she was *pissed* that nobody told her beforehand that she would be eating baby cow.
I usually don't root for relationships to fail, but I'm making an exception this time. And, I have another reason to always date older women
The craven brazen hussy who stole the former Mrs. Sniffa primitive's husband away from her when the former Mrs. Sniffa primitive most needed him:
bicentennial_baby (1000+ posts) Sat Jun-13-09 09:45 PM
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1. Well, she should have known, yes
But veal never crosses my doorstep or my palate, so I'd be pissed if I didn't know I was being served veal. But, yes, she should have known what veal was. And I'm not squeamish, I have major issues with the husbandry practices employed in raising veal.
jgraz (1000+ posts) Sat Jun-13-09 09:50 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. Yeah, that's why I always buy local, grass-fed veal
It not only tastes better, it cost you far fewer karma points.
The rich kid grazing primitive already has a significant deficit in kharma points, about the size of the federal deficit, the way the rich kid grazing primitive was so piously rude, uncouth, barbaric, sadistic, savage, nasty, mean, to the cboy4 primitive during the Democrat primaries last year.
pengillian101 (746 posts) Sun Jun-14-09 11:55 PM
Response to Reply #2
12. grass-fed veal
You do know they are chained and kept in little tiny pens, unable to stand up so the muscles are soft and they are denied their mother's milk so the meat doesn't have a red appearance, don't you?
Grass fed - they are chained near the ground.
I wouldn't mind eating a baby cow, but not raised like that.
Grandma:
hippywife (1000+ posts) Mon Jun-15-09 07:42 AM
Response to Reply #12
15. I used to love veal until I knew how it was raised.
I don't care, "grass-fed" or not (and how do they do supposedly do that?), I wouldn't eat it today at all.
jgraz (1000+ posts) Mon Jun-15-09 02:47 PM
Response to Reply #15
16. Here's the veal I buy
http://www.straussveal.com /
I totally understand why someone would want to avoid eating veal, but it's not all raised in boxes.
kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Mon Jun-15-09 08:11 PM
Response to Reply #16
21. Wow. That's even better than the pen-raising facilities I'm familiar with.
jgraz (1000+ posts) Mon Jun-15-09 11:43 PM
Response to Reply #21
27. If you're braising veal, you really want to find a supplier that lets them be as active as possible
It's not only far less cruel, but it builds up lots of yummy connective tissue.
kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Mon Jun-15-09 08:09 PM
Response to Reply #12
20. It's clear you don't know the difference between grass-fed (humane) veal and crated-raised (inhumane) veal. Grass-fed veal calves are given little pens in the sunshine (complete with little shelter houses) on pasture. They are not fed a diet of milk-replacer only, and they are not kept in near-dark and unable to stand/turn/move.
I get awfully tired of misinformation from people who claim to know it ALL but clearly haven't done much, if any, homework before spouting their militant views.
And you DO realize you need to keep this proselytizing OFF C&B, don't you?
pengillian101 (746 posts) Mon Jun-15-09 11:46 PM
Response to Reply #20
28. Say WHO? LOL And you DO realize you need to keep this proselytizing OFF C&B, don't you?
Grass-fed veal calves are given little pens in the sunshine (complete with little shelter houses) on pasture.
Well since I know and lived about dairy farms in the dairy state and have seen THOUSANDS upon thousands of veal pens, I will say they are out in the grass in little bitty cages. They cannot stand up. They cannot exercise.
This is no way to grow meat. It is very inhumane. And don't press the matter. I will prove you wrong every time.
Well now, one assumes the penguin primitive is pro-life, given that statement.
jgraz (1000+ posts) Tue Jun-16-09 12:13 AM
Response to Reply #28
29. OK, prove me wrong.
I know some of the people who supply Strauss veal. I've eaten steaks pulled directly from the freezer in their barn. They never crate, pen or tether their calves. Ever.
I've done a lot of work with humane farming, both in California and back in my home state of Wisconsin. Feel free to rail against the factory farms -- hell, I'll join you. But there are a lot of good producers out there who are working to change the way things are done.
The Rita Hayworth primitive:
Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Mon Jun-15-09 09:25 PM
Response to Reply #12
23. This is precisely why
I love veal. Can't get enough of it.
Veal cutlets. Veal parmesan. Veal scallopini. Veal Marsala. Veal con limone. Veal ice cream. Veal Chiclets. Veal Cordon Black and Bleu. Veal hoagies. Veal and eggs. Veal fries. Veal chops. Veal cutlet breaded and fried (Mom's specialty). Veal Siciliano. Veal Normande. Veal Spiedini. Veal Mediterranean. Veal pierogies. Stuffed veal cutlet. Osso bucco, of course. Wiener Schnitzel. Vitello Tonatto (I have the most fabulous recipe for this!). Veal Chanterelle. Veal Casino.
I love veal.
The craven hussy primitive again, the husband-stealer:
bicentennial_baby (1000+ posts) Mon Jun-15-09 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #23
24. And here is where we parts ways...
Sigh.
Never, ever, ever...I just don't do it. C'est la vie.
Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Mon Jun-15-09 10:32 PM
Response to Reply #24
25. You don't have to, and you don't recognize a joke when you see one?
The holier-than-thou nonsense that's posted here is just a bit twee for me.
But you can eat beef? I find that funny, but, hey, it's your world, sugarpants. How were the meatballs?
"sugarpants" = slang from the 1920s. The Rita Hayworth primitive would of course know slang from the 1920s.
pengillian101 (746 posts) Tue Jun-16-09 12:14 AM
Response to Reply #25
30. Tangerine LaBamba
How arrogant you are. You think you are the expert at everything, And you belittle all other posters.
Well, FTS.
No body cares what you think. Go to bed.
Uh oh. Time for franksolich to start a new jihad, against the penguin primitive, for being unduly rude to the Rita Hayworth primitive. franksolich doesn't like it when unterprimitiven trash their betters, and the Rita Hayworth primitive is a damn sight better than the penguin primitive.
Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Tue Jun-16-09 12:17 AM
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31. Ah, honey ..........
I can't go to bed right now. I just found a GREAT recipe for Shrew:
after which a photograph of a long-nosed mouse
pengillian101 (746 posts) Sun Jun-14-09 11:44 PM
Response to Reply #1
11. I so agree.
Perhaps others do not realize.
elleng (1000+ posts) Sat Jun-13-09 10:25 PM
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3. Had similar question from well-educated friend in Virginia suburb of dc years ago! THANKS for reminding me!
Reason/excuse? Just not INTERESTED in farm-stuff???
Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Sat Jun-13-09 11:36 PM
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4. A friend of mine invited a young woman - far too young for him, but Jerry sells used cars, so what else could I expect from him? - to dinner. He just yearned to nail her, but he had too much style to invite her for drinks and some toking, so he took her to a nice place for dinner.
She ordered chicken cordon bleu.
Halfway through their meal, she asked Jerry how they grew chickens so that they didn't have bones.
He never nailed her. Even my sleazy pal Jerry has standards.
So, how did the osso bucco turn out? Any leftovers?
jgraz (1000+ posts) Sun Jun-14-09 12:56 AM
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5. I think the keywords there are "far too young for him"
That's the situation we were dealing with last night. She certainly was cute but I can't imagine what they talk about.
And the osso bucco was AWESOME. It's one of those dishes that always comes out great. The leftovers were even better today (leftover cuz Miss Priss didn't eat hers).
Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Sun Jun-14-09 10:47 PM
Response to Reply #5
9. More for you .........
Remember? We discussed how good it was the day after you fixed it?
Good. Good .........................
hippywife (1000+ posts) Sun Jun-14-09 07:27 AM
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6. Personally, I would cut her a little slack.
We are too many generations removed from the farm for many people, especially of her age and younger, to know and appreciate where their food comes from. The industrial food complex in this country enjoys this ignorance; the better to market and profit from things that resemble food but really aren't. Her story really isn't unique in a country where most people don't consider food production any farther than their grocery store shelves, refrigerator and freezer cases.
Remember, Grandma's the one who yearns for the good old days of the small family farm, like Joe and Sadie in their sodhouse.....but of course with air-conditioning and a microwave oven and an automobile and cat litter boxes and modern pharmaceuticals.
REACTIVATED IN CT (1000+ posts) Sun Jun-14-09 01:02 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. I think you've got it
Many younger folks have never seen meat that wasn't in a foam tray and covered with plastic. They think fruit grows in trucks - no clue where it came from other than the soopermarket
kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Sun Jun-14-09 10:26 PM
Response to Reply #6
8. My guess is Miss Priss is too busy shopping for clothes and talking about absolutely nothing on the cell phone to friends and watching tv reality shows to bother surfing the net to learn all about the world she lives in, or (gasp!) browse in a library to do same.
Miss Priss must be Pedro Picasso's twin sister.
hippywife (1000+ posts) Mon Jun-15-09 07:41 AM
Response to Reply #8
14. You just described what I fear is the majority of people her generation. And it's sad, not a case for hostility.
mopinko (1000+ posts) Sun Jun-14-09 10:53 PM
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10. or how long it takes to cook osso bucco.
i have a BIL from hell. ok, heck maybe, but i can't stand him. every interaction with another human must include some sort of "win" for him. we took my mom to an italian restaurant for her birthday one year. BIL cannot order off a menu. can't. so, what does he ask for? could you make me some osso bucco, please? fortunately, we had warned the waiter, so he didn't throw anything.
Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Tue Jun-16-09 12:23 AM
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32. That's impressive -
does your idiot BIL know how long it takes to fix osso bucco?
Or was he just showing off his incredible sophistication?
That's so funny, that you had alerted the waiter. In an Italian restaurant, things could get violent if it's an off night....................
The ancient hippie primitive, the NanceGregg idiot's husband:
JeffR (1000+ posts) Mon Jun-15-09 01:40 AM
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13. Some years ago a woman I knew told me a story about being informed that calamari comes out of the sea (she'd always hated seafood in all its forms). She'd enjoyed calamari for years, thinking that it was... wait for it... cheese.
Once she found out it wasn't, she could never eat it again. It's a strange world.
It's got to be an even stranger world, being married to the NanceGreggs idiot.
jgraz (1000+ posts) Mon Jun-15-09 02:49 PM
Response to Reply #13
17. A lot of people don't understand that calamari == squid
That's why squid producers started calling in calamari.
The baby-talking warped primitive:
Warpy (1000+ posts) Mon Jun-15-09 04:11 PM
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18. Too many Gen Xers seemed to pride themselves on never cooking as though it were something best left to the lower classes at fast food restaurants and frozen food companies. Chances are the kid never really saw anybody cook, unless it was a very tense Thanksgiving extravaganza, probably at Grandma's. Grandma was so old fashioned, you know.
There are two generations out there who are going to be on the steep side of the learning curve as the economy continues to worsen and they have to start figuring out what all those wedding presents they got for their kitchens are used for.
Blues Heron (171 posts) Mon Jun-15-09 05:16 PM
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19. Wait till she finds out about lamb...
!!
or sweetbreads!
kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Mon Jun-15-09 08:13 PM
Response to Reply #19
22. I'm all for treating the girl to Rocky Mountain oysters, personally
jgraz (1000+ posts) Mon Jun-15-09 11:40 PM
Response to Reply #19
26. I would love to show her my Aunt Toots' oven on a Sunday night
Roasted Lamb Heads, anyone?
Whatever.
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I love veal but I've never heard of this dish called osso buco - I may just have to look into it.
:cheersmate:
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It must really suck to go through life where every decision is based on political correctness. Veal is yummy, I eat it on occasion, **** karma.
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Personally, I love dead baby cow, and really don't give a rats ass how it got that way.
Zurich Veal, anyone? (with a leek rosti FTW) :drool:
http://www.cuisinedumonde.com/zurich_veal.html
http://www.foodandwine.com/recipes/crispy-potato-leek-rosti
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pengillian101 (746 posts) Sun Jun-14-09 11:55 PM
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12. grass-fed veal
You do know they are chained and kept in little tiny pens, unable to stand up so the muscles are soft and they are denied their mother's milk so the meat doesn't have a red appearance, don't you?
Grass fed - they are chained near the ground.
DUmmies = veal calves
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DUmmies = veal calves
:rotf: :rotf: :lmao: :lmao:
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Would these people have a problem eating an aborted calf since its not really a cow since it hasn't breathed the air yet?
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I love veal but I've never heard of this dish called osso buco - I may just have to look into it.
:cheersmate:
Oh, I've had it. Wonderful.
Try this recipie--looks good and simple enough.
LINK (http://www.cookingforengineers.com/recipe/200/Osso-Buco)
(http://www.cookingforengineers.com/pics3/640/ND2_1216_crop.jpg)
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Oh, I've had it. Wonderful.
Try this recipie--looks good and simple enough.
LINK (http://www.cookingforengineers.com/recipe/200/Osso-Buco)
(http://www.cookingforengineers.com/pics3/640/ND2_1216_crop.jpg)
Thanks for that! I think I will try that except for the marrow part - that doesn't sound appealing at all. I like that Cooking for Engineers website. My husband is an engineer and he would appreciate that.
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Sat Jun-13-09 11:36 PM
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4. A friend of mine invited a young woman - far too young for him, but Jerry sells used cars, so what else could I expect from him? - to dinner. He just yearned to nail her, but he had too much style to invite her for drinks and some toking, so he took her to a nice place for dinner.
She ordered chicken cordon bleu.
Halfway through their meal, she asked Jerry how they grew chickens so that they didn't have bones.
He never nailed her. Even my sleazy pal Jerry has standards.
So, how did the osso bucco turn out? Any leftovers?
:rotf:
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I love how they're ranting about kids these days not knowing where their food comes from. The DUmmies are absolutely right - and those are the kids who elected our current president.
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I love how they're ranting about kids these days not knowing where their food comes from. The DUmmies are absolutely right - and those are the kids who elected our current president.
Everyone at the DUmp thinks that food comes from food stamps!
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from da gubbamint
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Couple of things I noticed:
1) It's a baby cow, far more sacred(for some) apparently then a baby human.
2) Not knowing where veal comes from at 25 is ridiculous. I don't give a pass, but primitives fail to make the connections about how poor their public schools really must be if a 25 year old doesn't know where her food comes from. I'm betting she was raised in the public schools the primitives love oh so much after all.
And particular attention to this grumpy old baby boomer:
Warpy (1000+ posts) Mon Jun-15-09 04:11 PM
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18. Too many Gen Xers seemed to pride themselves on never cooking as though it were something best left to the lower classes at fast food restaurants and frozen food companies. Chances are the kid never really saw anybody cook, unless it was a very tense Thanksgiving extravaganza, probably at Grandma's. Grandma was so old fashioned, you know.
There are two generations out there who are going to be on the steep side of the learning curve as the economy continues to worsen and they have to start figuring out what all those wedding presents they got for their kitchens are used for.
First off...25 years of age is NOT Gen X. It's a small generation and I'm on the older end of it at nearly 40. But alas SOME boomers are still railing against any generations after them for wasting the youth they made so much of :whatever:
Trust me you grouchy old fart, our learning curve has been finely honed. My generation is well aware that we have to make sure we take care of ourselves when we get to your age. Too bad liberals like yourself are making it more and more difficult for us to find opportunities to make that happen.
We could go round and round about generation jealousy, but suffice to say Gen X(my generation) is not big enough to make any sort of significant impact on anything so the fact that a boomer would rail against it shows how petty that individual really is. There are generational cultural differences in every generation that the generation before and after don't understand not being raised in that era themselves. Big deal...life goes on and contrary to what DU boomers may think, life will go on long after they and their generation leaves this planet too.
PS I cook nearly every night and so do most of the other women I know who are my age. meh, go figure :-)
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I love how they're ranting about kids these days not knowing where their food comes from. The DUmmies are absolutely right - and those are the kids who elected our current president.
Yep, they miss the connection too of who taught those kids from an early age.
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Couple of things I noticed:
1) It's a baby cow, far more sacred(for some) apparently then a baby human.
2) Not knowing where veal comes from at 25 is ridiculous. I don't give a pass, but primitives fail to make the connections about how poor their public schools really must be if a 25 year old doesn't know where her food comes from. I'm betting she was raised in the public schools the primitives love oh so much after all.
And particular attention to this grumpy old baby boomer:
First off...25 years of age is NOT Gen X. It's a small generation and I'm on the older end of it at nearly 40. But alas SOME boomers are still railing against any generations after them for wasting the youth they made so much of :whatever:
Trust me you grouchy old fart, our learning curve has been finely honed. My generation is well aware that we have to make sure we take care of ourselves when we get to your age. Too bad liberals like yourself are making it more and more difficult for us to find opportunities to make that happen.
We could go round and round about generation jealousy, but suffice to say Gen X(my generation) is not big enough to make any sort of significant impact on anything so the fact that a boomer would rail against it shows how petty that individual really is. There are generational cultural differences in every generation that the generation before and after don't understand not being raised in that era themselves. Big deal...life goes on and contrary to what DU boomers may think, life will go on long after they and their generation leaves this planet too.
PS I cook nearly every night and so do most of the other women I know who are my age. meh, go figure :-)
Yep, 25 is generation Y. I'm in generation Y, and I don't anybody who takes "pride" in not cooking. Granted most of us probably aren't cooking osso bucco, but I'm sure that most of us know what Veal is, just like most of us know that chickens have bones :whatever:
DUmmies, you really cannot take one person, and apply her lack of knowledge to an entire generation.