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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on June 09, 2009, 02:38:50 PM
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Oh my.
I thought everything was going to be strawberries-and-cream after January 20, 2009.
The primitives promised.
One wonders what's up with that.
Purveyor (1000+ posts) Tue Jun-09-09 03:11 PM
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$70 Oil Menaces Budding Recovery
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Two weeks change a lot in the oil markets.
At the end of May CNNMoney.com ran a story asking if $60 oil will kill any economic recovery. 'No," most analysts said - consumers could shoulder $60 crude, and analysts didn't see prices going much higher.
Now oil is touching $70 a barrel. Goldman Sachs recently said it sees crude at $85 by the year's end. With the economy still on life support, oil is drifting dangerously close to being the wet blanket at the recovery's party.
Many say consumer spending - which accounts for over two thirds of the nation's economic activity - takes a big hit when crude hits $100 and gas $3 a gallon. Some say it's more like $125 crude and $4 gas. Others say that during a recession $80 is the breaking point.
But putting a number on it is almost beside the point. The higher it goes, the more it hurts.
Read more: http://money.cnn.com/2009/06/09/news/economy/oil_prices...
liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Tue Jun-09-09 03:14 PM
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1. It contributed to the recession in a big way
And now they are going to drive the price up and dive the country deeper into the depression.
But I thought.....and you know, the primitives promised.
AndyA (1000+ posts) Tue Jun-09-09 03:21 PM
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4. And where is Congress and Obama on this?
Oil is not in short supply right now. In fact, they've run out of places to store it!
Someone needs to identify who is manipulating the price...something tells me the parties responsible are also likely getting taxpayer bail out money, too.
phantom power (1000+ posts) Tue Jun-09-09 03:17 PM
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2. For what it's worth...
This is exactly the behavior predicted by the Bumpy Plateau of Peak Oil. Last year, oil prices spiked. Hard. Not too long after that we get hit with an economic implosion. From here on out, every time the economy starts to expand, it will get its head cut off by a corresponding oil price spike.
Most human economic activities currently require oil, or one of its derivatives.
I dunno.
Maybe George Soros, who has a lot invested in oil, has something to do with it.
DJ13 (1000+ posts) Tue Jun-09-09 03:18 PM
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3. nation's economic activity - takes a big hit when crude hits $100 and gas $3 a gallon
Theres the rub.
Gas is ALREADY at $3 per gallon, while the price of crude is less than half of its prior high at $69 per barrel.
The price of gas has decoupled from the price of crude.
At $100 oil the price of gas could conceivably be near the prior national record of nearly $4.50 per gallon at this rate.
Hmmm. And franksolich is scratching his head, wondering how such a thing could be done, or even possible. There are after all iron-clad unalterable natural laws of economics.....
Andy823 (1000+ posts) Tue Jun-09-09 03:27 PM
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6. You beat me to it.
I couldn't agree more. It makes no sense for gas to be so high, $2.93 today in my town, when oil is only $69 per barrel! It's the greed of the gas companies once again, and congress is doing nothing to stop it. Last year congress said they would do work on stopping the price rise by speculators, but it looks like that was simply a talking point for the election cycle, and now wall street, and big oil are once again trying to screw the public so they can make huge profits!
Congress needs to get tough as hell on this issue, put tough regulations on buying oil and stock piling it, and then trying to manipulate the prices up! If the democrats in congress don't start working on things like this they risk losing seats next year. If they get off their butts, and start really working for the people of this country, we can "increase" seats. This issue, along with health care, should be rallying points for the democrats, and if they do something about these issues, they will benefit greatly in the next election. The only questions is will they?
notesdev (1000+ posts) Tue Jun-09-09 03:25 PM
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5. Dumb headline writing strikes again
Should read something more along the lines of "Devaluation of US dollar menaces nonexistent but we are paid to make you believe it is budding recovery".
Oil priced in dollars is going to go up or down on the value of the dollar. The currency movement is the cause, the commodity prices are the effect.
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The price of oil has double since The Inauguration of The One". Could it possibly be due to the rhetoric of "cap and trade"? Or is it in response to the fact that everyone knows the DimRats and Dear Leader are against any means of producing oil in the US?
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The price of oil has double since The Inauguration of The One". Could it possibly be due to the rhetoric of "cap and trade"? Or is it in response to the fact that everyone knows the DimRats and Dear Leader are against any means of producing oil in the US?
That sure as hell has a lot to do with it! As soon as dear leader got into office he closed down what was going to help us out. He stopped all the oil and gas reserves in Colorado and Nevada from being exploited, saying we didn't need it. He was going to replace it with "green energy", remember?
Another pipe dream from the idiot who thought he could be pres!
I'm never going to forgive the asswipes that voted this imbecile into office!
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None of the DUmbasses know that in many liberal/blue/DUmbass states the TAX IS 80 cents/gallon. BTW DUchebags a barrel of oil is oddly based on 42 gallons. Something from the British and salt movement IIRC.
These gifted and talented primitives are just as smart as a bag of rocks...a real small bag...maybe just a single rock no bag.
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None of the DUmbasses know that in many liberal/blue/DUmbass states the TAX IS 80 cents/gallon. BTW DUchebags a barrel of oil is oddly based on 42 gallons. Something from the British and salt movement IIRC.
These gifted and talented primitives are just as smart as a bag of rocks...a real small bag...maybe just a single really dumb rock no bag.
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None of the DUmbasses know that in many liberal/blue/DUmbass states the TAX IS 80 cents/gallon. BTW DUchebags a barrel of oil is oddly based on 42 gallons. Something from the British and salt movement IIRC.
These gifted and talented primitives are just as smart as a bag of rocks...a real small bag...maybe just a single rock no bag.
Imperial or US?
:evillaugh:
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He has appointed people who support $5 a gallon gas
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I'm never going to forgive the asswipes that voted this imbecile into office!
Anyone who voted for Obama should be prosecuted for treason, and then waterboarded.
Hmmm.. where have I heard that before?