The Conservative Cave
Current Events => General Discussion => Topic started by: StantheTaxMan on June 05, 2009, 09:55:04 AM
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I always hoped I was one, as "they" are so despised by the left. But I never heard a good definition?
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I don't even think there is a good definition anymore as it has become a blanket term for those-to-be-despised-without-further-inquiry.
Traditionally I think it refers to those who descend from traditionally left-leaning political roots, i.e. social welfare type issues who have gravitated to the national security element of the conservative movement. Bush and other "compassionat conservatives" were slapped with tag because they accommodate liberal policies (immigration, medicare, No Child's Behind Left Alone, etc) to gain leeway for national defense. In this alliance the neocons tend to side and identify with the GOP. The democrat corollary are the blue-dogs as seen in Zell Miller.
Now that the war has pretty much been resolved in our favor the neocons like Frum are drifting back to their liberal roots hence the dilution of GOP principles and its subsequent electoral defeats.
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Shoot! Never mind about wanting to be one, then.
At one point, I had heard that it was "code" for a Jewish Conservative?
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I had heard the same thing. Supposedly something about part of the neo-con agenda being support for Israel.
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I had heard the same thing. Supposedly something about part of the neo-con agenda being support for Israel.
I'm getting the feeling from this site that you don't have to be Jewish to support Israel?
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No, you just have to believe in the right of a people to exist...
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Shoot! Never mind about wanting to be one, then.
At one point, I had heard that it was "code" for a Jewish Conservative?
It has, in time, degenerated into that.
I forget which liberal shitbag started it but most jews tend to be liberal but many are smart enugh to know when people like al Qaeda and Saddam are existential threats. Hence a number moved to the column on the right.
In time it became "Jews want to take over the world" to "Jews want to take over the world for Israel and capital greed" ....Not that jews have ever been portrayed as greedy racists. So it turned into a anti-semitic term. Wrap that up with the fact that many who oppose the wars subscribe to CT's and it takes on a very vile trajectory. Every 9/11 consiracy site has at least one Mossad based theory getting a hard push.
Of course even some who are considered "conservative" take this tact, i.e. the Ron Paulestinians. They had screen caps one day from the senate where the woodwork has six-sided stars carved on it. To them it was proof positive the US government took its marching orders from Tel Aviv. Jason Raimondo was/is linked heavily through lewrockwell.com saying Obama was the preferred candidate because he would put Israel in its place.
That's why the term is pretty much worthless. It's just a perjorative now.
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Shoot! Never mind about wanting to be one, then.
At one point, I had heard that it was "code" for a Jewish Conservative?
Pretty much accurate.
Sort of left on social questions, hard right on defense.
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The person that may have coined it, Noam Chomsky, is a self loathing Jew, but I really don't know. The original intent may have been "New Conservative", but it's been hijacked by the left.