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Title: Are You a Neocon?
Post by: Tucker on May 20, 2009, 06:18:50 AM
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Are You a Neocon?
by Daniel McCarthy

Regular readers of LRC or other right-of-center sites are sure to have seen terms like "neoconservative" and "paleo-libertarian" from time to time. A quick Google search can explain what the words mean, but definitions don’t really answer the more interesting and important question – which one are you?

Naturally you might be neither "paleo" nor "neo." But for those who’d like to find out I devised a quick quiz during a spell of procrastination a few months back. Here it is. After answering twenty questions it’ll give you my impression of which of ten modern American ideologies is the best fit for you, along with links to sites representing the philosophy of each.

There’s no shortage of political quizzes on the ‘net, but how many others includes "paleoconservative" and "third way" as categories? Not many (or any) that I’ve seen. And to be thoroughly immodest, this quiz is less slanted than most too. I’m a pale-something myself though, so if you find bias that’s where I’m coming from. Other than that the major flaw is that I don’t know modern left-wing ideologies at all well, so the categories of "radical," "liberal" and "third-way" probably are not how leftists would classify themselves.

The quiz questions are mostly about public policy. An alternative method would have been to ask general philosophical questions, or even to ask for interpretations of historical events. I chose the policy-oriented approach because it seemed most straightforward and clear.

Here, in brief, are the ideologies that the quiz examines. You’ll probalby want to take the quiz first though. The sketches below aren’t an answer key, but you can probably deduce from the definitions how someone of a given ideology would answer a particular question. That’s the entire principle of the quiz, after all.

Centrist – Just what it sounds like. Someone who doesn’t have any particularly strong ideological leanings in any direction.

Conservative – Specifically a "fusionist" conservative of the National Review - Heritage Foundation mold. Someone who believes in traditional morality and capitalism, and the need for a limited government to allow both to flourish.

Left-libertarian – The quiz uses a mild definition of a left-libertarian, an anti-statist who is somewhat fearful of corporate and religious influence on public life.

Liberal – Supports economic regulation to promote social justice and takes a progressive stance toward moral or cultural issues.

Libertarian – A libertarian opposes most or all government activites. Does not favor much or any government support for either moral or economic systems.

Neoconservative – A "neocon" is more inclined than other conservatives toward vigorous government in the service of the goals of traditional morality and pro-business policies. Tends to favor a very strong foreign policy of America as well.

Paleoconservative – "Paleocons" want less US involvement in foeign affairs than other conservatives and oppose mass immigration. They are also more favorably disposed toward the South and the idea of secession, or at least decentralization, than neoconservatives.

Paleo-libertarian – Similar to other libertarians except for oppostion to mass immigration, and shares the paleocon appreciation of the South.

Radical – Critical of bouregois morality and strongly opposed to capitalism and willing to use state power to achieve desired ends.

Third-way – More supportive of foreign intervention than liberals and less supportive of economic regulation, coupled with more-or-less progressive social views. "Third-way" is to liberal what neoconservative is to conservative.


My #1 is: Centrist
My #2 is: Conservative
My #3 is: Neoconservative
My #4 is: Libertarian
My #5 is: Paleo-libertarian
My #6 is: Paleoconservative
My #7 is: Left-libertarian
My #8 is: Third Way
My #9 is: Liberal
My #10 is: Radical

#'s 7.8.9 & 10 had the blue graph bar left supressed. This is a good thing.

I chose Conservative. I probably lost points over the voucher question.
Title: Re: Are You a Neocon?
Post by: DixieBelle on May 20, 2009, 07:41:17 AM
Those results were hard to read at first but I finally figured it out. I basically got this:

Conservative – Specifically a "fusionist" conservative of the National Review - Heritage Foundation mold. Someone who believes in traditional morality and capitalism, and the need for a limited government to allow both to flourish.
Title: Re: Are You a Neocon?
Post by: franksolich on May 20, 2009, 07:48:08 AM
Oh my.

I'm so moderate, so middle-of-the-road, again that I get run over by traffic going both directions.
Title: Re: Are You a Neocon?
Post by: Celtic Rose on May 20, 2009, 08:04:28 AM
#1 Conservative
#2 Neoconservative
#3 Paleoconservative
#4 Centrist

and the rest had no colored bar to left

#5 Paleolibertarian
#6 Libertarian
#7 Third Way
#8 Liberal
#9 Radical
#10 Left Libertarian

I wasn't quite yes or no on some of them, so my results are probably not completely accurate.
Title: Re: Are You a Neocon?
Post by: franksolich on May 20, 2009, 08:09:44 AM
Does anybody remember this, from about the first week or two of conservativecave?

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/dummiedestroyer/pcgraphpng.jpg)

It was something originally on Skins's island, but actually it's a pretty good test of political ideology.

Political ideology in the professional scientific sense of the term, not in the primitive sense of the term.

The primitives, who think of themselves as "non-fringe," showed up way over at the deep end, the bottom corner, of the green square, while many here, who imagine ourselves "conservative," were barely inside the blue or purple squares.

It shows how far out of whack our ideas of political ideology are; despite that I myself vigorously support the war against terror, including the liberation of Afghanistan and Iraq, am staunchly pro-life, think that lowering taxes and cutting spending are the best ways of governance, am a good friend of the Second Amendment, against health care "reform," a strong defender of religion and free speech,  &c., &c., &c., I came up as above.

Middle of the road; moderate.

Face it, folks; WE are the middle of the road, and the primitives are extreme far left-wing.

Anyway.

The source of this test of ideology is somewhere here on conservativecave, and I'd like to post and "sticky" it in the DUmping Ground (not the DUmpster, but the DUmping Ground) permanently, so it's easier to find.

Anybody have that link?
Title: Re: Are You a Neocon?
Post by: Tucker on May 20, 2009, 08:18:31 AM
Frank. It look like both test results are similar.

You mean these interweb thingy's have some sort of meaningful basis?  Nah!!! :whatever:
Title: Re: Are You a Neocon?
Post by: Wineslob on May 20, 2009, 10:06:20 AM
I got a very long, green bar on Conservative.
Title: Re: Are You a Neocon?
Post by: thundley4 on May 20, 2009, 10:20:06 AM
Does anybody remember this, from about the first week or two of conservativecave?

Anybody have that link?

Is this it? Political Compass (http://www.politicalcompass.org/test)

Here's Mine.
(http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=4.62&soc=1.59)
Title: Re: Are You a Neocon?
Post by: franksolich on May 20, 2009, 11:06:15 AM
Thank you, thundley, sir.

I'm going to put this in the DUmping Ground (not the DUmpster, but the subsidiary forum there) and sticky it.

About three times a year, one gets asked about it, and can't find it.

Again, thank you!
Title: Re: Are You a Neocon?
Post by: Tucker on May 20, 2009, 11:09:40 AM
And mine:

The Political Compass

Economic Left/Right: 4.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.59

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/tucker13/special/pcgraphpng.png)
Title: Re: Are You a Neocon?
Post by: Chris_ on May 20, 2009, 12:12:55 PM
#1 Conservative
#2 Neoconservative
#3 Centrist
#4 Paleo-Libertarian
#5 Paleoconservative
#6 Libertarian

#4 & #5 were a tie

The rest are blank.
Title: Re: Are You a Neocon?
Post by: Baruch Menachem on May 20, 2009, 12:44:37 PM
Goofy graph. 
Conservative

Neoconservitive with nice long green bars.
left-Libertarian
then centrist
paleoconservative with short bars
paleo libertarian and radical with short bars
then Third way and Liberal with longish bars.  Which I don't get at all.

I think I destest "third way" more than any other concept.   Third way usually means fascist. 

Title: Re: Are You a Neocon?
Post by: thundley4 on May 20, 2009, 12:58:25 PM

   My #1 is:   Conservative  this green bar was 2X longer than any other   
   My #2 is:   Neoconservative   
   My #3 is:   Paleoconservative   
   My #4 is:   Paleo-libertarian   
   My #5 is:   Centrist   
   My #6 is:   Libertarian   
   My #7 is:   Liberal   
   My #8 is:   Radical   
   My #9 is:   Third Way   
   My #10 is:   Left-libertarian
Title: Re: Are You a Neocon?
Post by: Chris_ on May 20, 2009, 06:40:03 PM
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   My #1 is: Paleo-libertarian     
   My #2 is:   Conservative    
   My #3 is:   Libertarian    
   My #4 is:   Centrist    
   My #5 is:   Paleoconservative    
   My #6 is:   Neoconservative    
   My #7 is:   Left-libertarian    
   My #8 is:   Third Way    
   My #9 is:   Radical    
   My #10 is:   Liberal

Interesting...
Title: Re: Are You a Neocon?
Post by: Duke Nukum on May 20, 2009, 06:59:07 PM
     My #1 is:   Conservative     
   My #2 is:   Neoconservative    
   My #3 is:   Paleoconservative    
   My #4 is:   Centrist    
   My #5 is:   Libertarian    
   My #6 is:   Paleo-libertarian

Below this there was no graph off to the side:

        My #7 is:   Liberal     
   My #8 is:   Third Way    
   My #9 is:   Left-libertarian    
   My #10 is:   Radical    
Title: Re: Are You a Neocon?
Post by: MrsSmith on May 20, 2009, 07:01:18 PM
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a152/MrsSmith2001/pcgraphpng.jpg)


-------------------  My #1 is: Conservative  
---------  My #2 is: Neoconservative  
---  My #3 is: Centrist  


 :-) :-)

**Remember, I am an "evil, right-wingnut Fundie."   :whatever:
Title: Re: Are You a Neocon?
Post by: Chris on May 20, 2009, 07:42:10 PM
The first time this test was posted, the results for Conservative Cave looked like this:

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/ccgrouppliticalcompass4.png)

There was some overlap, so not everyone gets their own dot.
Title: Re: Are You a Neocon?
Post by: ReardenSteel on May 20, 2009, 07:56:26 PM
I must be the exception to the  "no man is an island" rule.  :lmao:

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Economic Left/Right: 8.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.49
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/woncothesane/politicalcompass.png)

#1 is: Conservative   
  My #2 is: Libertarian   
  My #3 is: Neoconservative   
  My #4 is: Centrist   
  My #5 is: Left-libertarian   
  My #6 is: Paleo-libertarian   
  My #7 is: Third Way   
  My #8 is: Paleoconservative   
  My #9 is: Radical   
  My #10 is: Liberal 

How did Radical come ahead of Liberal?  :-)

Anywho, I don't know what these kind of test are worth or really reveal but they are always fun IMHO.  :cheersmate:
Title: Re: Are You a Neocon?
Post by: Chris on May 20, 2009, 08:10:04 PM
My #1 is:   Conservative     
My #2 is:   Paleoconservative    
My #3 is:   Neoconservative    
My #4 is:   Libertarian    
My #5 is:   Centrist    

My #6 is:   Paleo-libertarian    
My #7 is:   Radical    
My #8 is:   Left-libertarian    
My #9 is:   Liberal    
My #10 is:   Third Way

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/pcgraphpngphp.png)
Title: Re: Are You a Neocon?
Post by: RobJohnson on May 21, 2009, 10:01:23 AM
  My #1 is: Paleoconservative   
  My #2 is: Conservative   
  My #3 is: Paleo-libertarian 
Title: Re: Are You a Neocon?
Post by: Servonaut on May 21, 2009, 03:34:05 PM
Here's mine

 (http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f85/Servonaut/pcgraphpng.png)

It was an interesting quiz but no question about weather it was OK to punch hippies ?

I really hate hippies.   
Title: Re: Are You a Neocon?
Post by: Baruch Menachem on May 22, 2009, 12:07:42 AM
I much prefer the political compass, but it puts me far to the Northwest of where I think I am.
(http://uncletoby.net/nbnw.png)

I personally feel I am two notches further to the right and three down

I do have a problem with some of the questions being false choices, where both alternatives are wrong.