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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: BannedFromDU on May 18, 2009, 12:05:32 PM
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal
Just saw Star Trek, and I have a HUGE problem with the way it ended (SPOILERS)
So, as expected, they have the big space battle and the bad guy is beaten, his ship is crippled, and he's sinking into the time/space anomaly du jour. So far, so good.
Then Kirk, being a good guy and all, offers to rescue the bad guy and his crew. The bad guy, being a bad guy, says he'd rather die. Again, vintage Trek.
But then, something happens that, AFAIK, has never happened in any incarnation of Star Trek: Kirk and Spock decide to summarily execute the guy. Instead of forcibly beaming him into a holding cell or (as usually happens) letting him blow up his own ship, they open fire and basically murder the dude.
Now, I realize that no American movie can end with the bad guy still drawing breath, but I found this a bit jarring -- especially given the traditional ideals that are usually preached in the Trek Universe. Did it not occur to anyone associated with the movie that this might be a good time to stand up for, oh I don't know, the Rule of Law?
What I really want to know is this: when did Dick Cheney take over the Federation?
God, get a LIFE, you ****ing losers (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=105&topic_id=8778350&mesg_id=8778350)
What a shame...I just hi-fived jgraz for a funny this morning, too.
At the risk of enmiring myself in the transactions of the dorky, get this:
jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon May-18-09 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #11
22. The "but he was really, really bad" argument doesn't cut it
And yes, I would have a problem summarily executing Hitler. Aside from being exactly what he wanted (note the end that he chose), it would destroy any chance the he would ever truly answer for his crimes.
That might be why liberals are so against capital punishment. When you kill someone, you toss them in a shallow grave, piss on the gravestone, and move on. Liberals don't want that. They want to wring hands, cluck their tongues, and be self-righteous. They want to know that a murderer is in jail, alive, so they can never, ever let go of their anger and hurt. A victim's need for closure is never a match for an uninvolved liberal's self-righteousness. I'd never thought of that before, but I think it holds water.
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jgraz is a Romulan sympathizer.
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As it seems that I'm one of the few non-sci-fi people that post here and at CU, I'm going to abstain from making any derogatory comments.
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Well, for once I'm grateful to a DUmmy. That spoiler alert probably just saved me from getting pissed off. I haven't seen the movie yet, and I'd rather not find out how it ended till I did see it.
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Well, for once I'm grateful to a DUmmy. That spoiler alert probably just saved me from getting pissed off. I haven't seen the movie yet, and I'd rather not find out how it ended till I did see it.
I thought about putting a spoiler alert on my post, but honestly, after 500 movies, what the hell could be new in a Star Trek movie?
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I thought about putting a spoiler alert on my post, but honestly, after 500 movies, what the hell could be new in a Star Trek movie?
*shrugs* No clue. But given that DUmmies are the only one complaining about it so far, that indicates to me it must have been a good movie.
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*shrugs* No clue. But given that DUmmies are the only one complaining about it so far, that indicates to me it must have been a good movie.
It was. Value for your entertainment dollar is hard enough to find in this terrible 0-conomy (unless you're watching your elected representatives make utter jackasses of themselves on C-Span; THAT'S entertainment!).
It was an entertaining story that completely deviated from established Roddenberrian canon, and then wrapped the viewer up as they spun a plausible (in other words, acceptable) rationale for the deviation.
The DUmbass is just being a DUmbass: it ain't happy unless it's complaining about something.
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It was just Kirk helping out evolution.....if it's to dumb to live, just go ahead and shoot it. Saves on expenses not to mention CO2 levels.