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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on May 03, 2009, 09:45:44 PM
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Oh my.
A world of woes.
OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Sun May-03-09 03:43 PM
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Please, I need some feedback regarding my youngest son.
He's 18 and told me last night that he's a lesbian. He first wrote it on a piece of paper because he was uncomfortable telling me. I told him no matter what life choice he makes, I will always love him.
It seems that his girlfriend of the same age is a lesbian. He also told me he'd like a sex change operation. That he has a problem with having a penis and he would like to have breasts (only after I asked him).
I actually asked him if he was a butch lesbian because there has been no hint in all of these 18 years that he felt trapped as a woman in a man's body. All of his interests have been male oriented and he claims to be a lesbian because he isn't attracted to men at all. He also told me that he isn't a cross-dresser.
He was holding back a bit feeling uncomfortable talking to me about it and the last question I asked him was how long has he felt this way about having a penis. He told me since he was 8 and had a dream about the Olson twins. He wouldn't elaborate.
I am just wondering if this is all about his girlfriend, whom he cares for very much being a lesbian, and his wanting to please her.
I am in unfamiliar waters here and don't know where else I can ask about this. Any input would be wonderful. Thank you!
The warped primitive:
Warpy (1000+ posts) Sun May-03-09 03:48 PM
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1. Just wait this one out for at least a year. If he's still saying the same things a year from now, then point him in the direction of psychological evaluation for sex change surgery.
Sex change operations are incredibly drastic surgeries and psychological counseling beforehand is absolutely essential. A decent psychologist well versed in gender identity issues will sort out what the kid really wants.
Right now, just listen with an open mind and do nothing beyond a preliminary search for a good psychologist in your area.
Hmmm. franksolich agrees with the warped primitive; wait a while.
Have his dad taking him hunting or something, some man stuff.
Maybe he'll change his mind.
OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Sun May-03-09 03:53 PM
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6. Thanks Warpy. We also discussed his seeing a psychologist and then he said he wanted to see one who specializes in sex change cases. I don't think he should take that step yet.
Warpy (1000+ posts) Sun May-03-09 03:57 PM
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10. It wouldn't do him any harm to talk to a psychologist who specializes in gender identity issues.
They're highly competent at weeding out genuine cases of gender dysphoria from infatuation.
OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Sun May-03-09 04:00 PM
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12. I was thinking last night if I can bring his primary care physician into this.
He's been my son's doctor since birth and he's a very cool guy and might be able to talk to him one on one before referring him to someone.
Warpy (1000+ posts) Sun May-03-09 06:13 PM
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22. The psychologist would be a better bet and even a pediatrician with a good rapport might still have gender hangups you don't know anything about.
Best to talk to a specialist.
franksolich says best listen to the warped primitive.
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Wait...what?
This eighteen year old guy has a girlfriend who's a lez, and he wants to be one too so they can be together?
Tell him there ARE some girls who like penis. You just have to keep looking for the right one.
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Well, what bothers me about this is that this is a primitive.
Meaning.....
.....on medical care paid for by other people, namely us.
I'm tired of paying other people's medical bills.
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XOEnterprises (91 posts) Sun May-03-09 07:10 PM
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24. He could very well be a masculine girl.
I know that sounds strange, but gender identity, sexuality, and body identification are not the same thing at all. My ex (we're on hiatus until he gets his top surgery done) is an androgynous identified bisexual trans man. Our friend, "James," is a butch identified lesbian trans man. Monte didn't come out as bisexual until he started understanding his body as male-before that, he identified as asexual. But his gender personality is very neutral, and he doesn't try to fit in either masculine or feminine archetypes. He's just Monte. James, on the other hand, came out as a butch lesbian before realizing he was trans, and he's now trying to push himself out of that identification as lesbian and date women who are attracted to men. Just because someone feels wrong in their body doesn't mean they're also rejecting all the traits associated with that sex.
I think that you're doing a wonderful job supporting him, and caring for him no matter what he grows to understand about himself. But while you're doing that, make sure you are asking him those questions you have about his lesbian girlfriend. Part of the reason Monte and I split was our relationship was becoming too tangled in his desires for his transition, and he needed his space to understand what he wants before we can have a relationship built on our shared needs and wants.
I would also, if I were you, get him to a therapist, even one that doesn't specialize in this. If he does really want this, then he's going to need one in order to get cleared for surgery. I would also start looking at surgeons with him and talking about the types of surgery and the options for hormones. Even if he has to wait, it will get the ball rolling and either cement his wants or make him realize what a huge task he has ahead of him.
I hope that helps! Good luck to him!
What in the Hell? "androgynous identified bisexual trans man"?? "butch identified lesbian trans man"?? Are they just making this crap up?
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This type of thing just gives me the willies. I hate to sound cruel, but i think so much of these feelings are manufactured by very unhappy people, not because of anything other than just personal unhappiness with their body image, lack of friends, popularity, etc. They get weird thoughts, etc., and then someone tells them, Oh! you must be a trans neuter gender bi something or other. People rarely had this issue before all these surgeries were available. I beleive there are some genuine cases of people who have something skewed in their makeup that warrants this, hermaphrodites, etc. But I think it is rare. My son is 19, and I would have him in counseling immediately with someone who was level-headed, non-progressive type. Just good old common sense. I believe all the "help" progressive type-people try to give teens sometimes ends up being a big hurt.
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"I was raised by a DUmmie all of my life,
Now I wanna cut off my penis and find me a wife"
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JohnnyReb dated a lipstick lesbian, a dynamite young lipstick lesbian, for a while between wives. The lipstick lesbian filled both a need and purpose. But when JohnnyReb recovered from the hurt and again needed the compionship of a normal women, he parted with the lipstick lesbian, not his penis. Me and "it" came into this world together and I'm doing all I can to see to it that "we" leave this world together.
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So, an 18 yr old male is not attracted to males at all.....doesn't that mean he's straight? And he has a lesbian for a girlfriend? huh?
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There is just a whole lotta WTF?? with this. :mental:
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This type of thing just gives me the willies. I hate to sound cruel, but i think so much of these feelings are manufactured by very unhappy people, not because of anything other than just personal unhappiness with their body image, lack of friends, popularity, etc.
They get weird thoughts, etc., and then someone tells them, Oh! you must be a trans neuter gender bi something or other. People rarely had this issue before all these surgeries were available.
People rarely had this issue before the taxpayers started having to subsidize other people's medical bills.
Think of all of the children with cancer, leukemia, multiple sclerosis, whatnot, who could be treated with all the money blown on "sex-change" operations for primitives instead.
Okay, now question.
Remember, I'm not really "up" on this topic.
When a male gets his nuts cut off, doesn't that sort of, well, change his sexual desires too?
So the kid becomes a "woman"--I don't think it's going to happen, though--and so what happens if he becomes a "woman" with the sexual desires of a real woman, that for a man? He'd drop the current "lesbian" girlfriend, of course.
It seems to me a sex-change operation doesn't only monkey with what's down there, but also with the brain.
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The last place anyone needs advice on any topic is from a GLBT forum in kookville.
So when he was 8 he had a dream about the Olsen twins and since then he's not wanted a whanker and he wants boobies in order to be with his lesbian girlfriend. See kiddies, this is the type of life you can look forward to when your parents have no moral foundation and no brains.
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It seems to me that disliking a body part enough to want to have it removed indicates some sort of mental health problem, and if somebody told me that they had hated their penis since they were a child, my first instinct would be to assume that there was some sort of abuse in their history, because that just seems like a huge red flag.
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Wow. It occurs to me that I've apparently led a sheltered life.
How can a man want to be a lesbian.
Man who likes woman=straight.
Woman who likes woman=lesbian.
He already likes women.
There's something wrong with the math here.
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I'm just sorry I called up this whole regrettable thread. Especially #24 above.
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Wow. It occurs to me that I've apparently led a sheltered life.
How can a man want to be a lesbian.
Man who likes woman=straight.
Woman who likes woman=lesbian.
He already likes women.
There's something wrong with the math here.
Being Lesbian, or a bisexual female is currently vogue - has been for at least the last decade. going lez would make him instantly popular, unless he ends up fugly.
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People rarely had this issue before
the taxpayers started having to subsidize other people's medical bills the 60's, when "exploring one's feelings" was WAY over-played.
The more I think about it, everything I hate about this country came from the 60's. Apparently mixing LSD with rebellious teenagers has horrific long-term consequences.
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There is just a whole lotta WTF?? with this. :mental:
Yep, this DUmmie is one sick freak. :censored:
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Being Lesbian, or a bisexual female is currently vogue - has been for at least the last decade. going lez would make him instantly popular, unless he ends up fugly.
He will probly just be an ugly les. Have you ever seen one of these "butch" dykes? They look like guys! He/she/it, will fit right in!
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I have to sympathize with this young man. You see, I, too, am a lesbian trapped in a man's body. I don't want a sex change, though. The free dildo that comes with this body is a bonus.
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I can almost guarantee the bi girlfriend just lets him watch. He wants in on the "action". :lmao:
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How can the sons 'girlfriend' be a lesbian? She has a 'boyfriend'.... :confused:
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What the hell is wrong with these people? How do you so **** up a child's psyche that he not only hates his own gender, but sexual orientation too? Did mommy make him wear lace on his panties on days he had gym class? Maybe he watched too many L Word reruns? And if his girlfriend is a lesbian why is she dating a boy? I mean he wants to CUT OFF HIS PENIS!!! I have to buy them from Adam & Eve and this idiot wants to cut off one he gets for free?
As a mother I think I'd rather have my son come tell me he's joined a cult than he wants to have his dick cut off! At least with the former he could be deprogrammed. What happened to the good old days when children grew up to be your average, garden variety gay person?
Cindie
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What the hell is wrong with these people? How do you so **** up a child's psyche that he not only hates his own gender, but sexual orientation too? Did mommy make him wear lace on his panties on days he had gym class? Maybe he watched too many L Word reruns? And if his girlfriend is a lesbian why is she dating a boy? I mean he wants to CUT OFF HIS PENIS!!! I have to buy them from Adam & Eve and this idiot wants to cut off one he gets for free?
As a mother I think I'd rather have my son come tell me he's joined a cult than he wants to have his dick cut off! At least with the former he could be deprogrammed. What happened to the good old days when children grew up to be your average, garden variety gay person?
Cindie
This is clearly a bouncy of the One-Upmanship Type. You know...with Bush* out of the White House, it no longer evokes the same rage to have a child think they're gay. The next step is to have them have the same ultimate sexual attraction, but have them be uncomfortable about their basis for that attraction. I doubt this idiot has a child at all.
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Don't know about that, but apparently $kins is conducting the Big Damn Gay Purge of 2009 according to PI: http://tinyurl.com/cc7cfl
YARDWORK
SOLON
VANJE
RUNCIBLE SPOON
MARRAH_G
TECHBEAR_SEATTLE
Zuiderelle (PELOSIFAN)
SUNDOG
DBACKJON
MAVEN
TS'd so far.
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Is this for real ?
They are some messed up humans.
:mental:
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Don't know about that, but apparently $kins is conducting the Big Damn Gay Purge of 2009 according to PI: http://tinyurl.com/cc7cfl
YARDWORK
SOLON
VANJE
RUNCIBLE SPOON
MARRAH_G
TECHBEAR_SEATTLE
Zuiderelle (PELOSIFAN)
SUNDOG
DBACKJON
MAVEN
TS'd so far.
Oh my.
That's hilarious.
I suggest one read the tinyurl or whatever it is, link.
Now, if my fellow alum Skins would just mausoleum the shady primitive, the lying primitive, the "Zhade" primitive, the cleanliness factor on the island will increase tenfold.
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I don't think I know any of those posters. I would rather not dumpdive in the buttsex section.
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meegbear (1000+ posts) Mon May-04-09 02:28 PM
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1. I was just about to post that too ...
WHAT THE **** IS GOING ON?
It's a bloodbath, I tell ya!! Run!!!
Lyric (1000+ posts) Mon May-04-09 02:28 PM
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2. Please just drop it.
They're deleting and potentially banning everyone who even *mentions* that all of this has happened. We aren't allowed to talk about it. Please, just drop it. I'm wrecked enough--I can't stand to see any more cherished friends tombstoned.
Just let it go...just drop it....stare straight ahead....don't draw attention....
La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Mon May-04-09 02:29 PM
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3. stupid straight people who refuse to analyze their privilege
Edited on Mon May-04-09 02:29 PM by La Lioness Priyanka
and claim that we are all represented by whomever obama shoudl pick and we should all be happy with this
DU is a circular monorail...pass it on.....
Maven (1000+ posts) Mon May-04-09 02:29 PM
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4. so much for "reasonable minds can disagree"
we all knew that was so much bullshit, didn't we?
Disagree??? HaHa! DU is strictly for confirmation of moonbat mindfarts. Think of it, compare it to, Christians going to hell for disagreeing with The Lord Jesus Christ. You must have faith or die.
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They make the mistake of thinking that they matter even on the island.
Get a clue DUmbasses....Skins has as much contempt for you as we do.
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Enchante
Mon May-04-09 08:10 AM
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They might as well shut down the GLBT forum, because it's useless at this point--I posted a thread about puppies, gardens, the current weather, and Michelle Obama, and it was nuked in moments.
WTF? Are they just going to ban every gay poster there??
:bawl: HA HA HA HA HA HA!!
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What in the Hell? "androgynous identified bisexual trans man"?? "butch identified lesbian trans man"?? Are they just making this crap up?
You READ that?? :o :o I couldn't get through the first paragraph. Talk about :mental:!!!
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They make the mistake of thinking that they matter even on the island.
Yeah, this is another thing that shows the difference between the primitives, in this case the gay primitives, on one hand, and franksolich and decent and civilized people on the other hand.
I'm deaf; I don't matter in a hearing world.
But it doesn't matter.
All that matters is that one matters to God.
Having that assurance, I go on my way through life mellow and nonchalant and laid back and merry and lightly and a nice guy, a friend to all who come his way.
It's great.
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Maybe La Lioness Priyanka will show up here. She was one of the least irritating liberals I have seen. Who cares who she chooses to sleep with?
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Maybe La Lioness Priyanka will show up here. She was one of the least irritating liberals I have seen. Who cares who she chooses to sleep with?
Excepting she's a lousy housekeeper, and cruel to animals, in her case cats.
She makes her poor cat walk across a dirty kitchen floor, sticky and greasy and dusty, because she's too lazy to mop the floor unless she has company coming.
I'll bet the poor cat's been plenty sick, picking up germs that way.
But being a primitive, the maharani primitive doesn't care.
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:bawl: HA HA HA HA HA HA!!
Maybe they will eventually learn (probably not) that all they are to dems is useful idiots herded into a corral for voting purposes.
The mistake they make is thinking that the dems don`t view them as any less devient then I do and when they start shrieking about some of the stranger aspects of their lifestyle it looks bad so it must be expunged.
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Excepting she's a lousy housekeeper, and cruel to animals, in her case cats.
She makes her poor cat walk across a dirty kitchen floor, sticky and greasy and dusty, because she's too lazy to mop the floor unless she has company coming.
I'll bet the poor cat's been plenty sick, picking up germs that way.
But being a primitive, the maharani primitive doesn't care.
Yeah, you think that is bad, you should see my kitchen floor. :uhsure: I am the world's worst housekeeper ever.
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You READ that?? :o :o I couldn't get through the first paragraph. Talk about :mental:!!!
I couldn't help myself. Anytime someone gives the Subway Kitty a run for it's money in the insane self-identification category, I can't turn away. "Androgynous identified bisexual trans man who used to identify as asexual" makes "Human female who self-identifies as male cat" seem kinda quaint.
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I wont believe this guy is a lesbian unless I hear he's been invited to be on Howard Stern.
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I couldn't help myself. Anytime someone gives the Subway Kitty a run for it's money in the insane self-identification category, I can't turn away. "Androgynous identified bisexual trans man who used to identify as asexual" makes "Human female who self-identifies as male cat" seem kinda quaint.
Sounds like a bad tag team match on Spike TV.
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Sounds like a bad tag team match on Spike TV.
What's really scary is this seems quite normal and reasonable over there.
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"I was raised by a DUmmie all of my life,
Now I wanna cut off my penis and find me a wife"
:rotf:
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I suggest one read the tinyurl or whatever it is, link.
Yes, that is a good read!
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Okay maybe I'm wrong here but lesbians like women right? So if he is a lesbian trapped in a mans body and (men like women right?) wouldn't that work out right? Sounds like he just needs a new girlfriend. Those people are confusing this old woman's head. :???:
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Lesbians = gay. Guy lesbian = cool to the other kids without all the ass play.
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With all that's becoming acceptable in this sick sick society, with the goalposts getting moved as fast as they are now, how can anyone doubt that it won't be long before enough people "come out" with their perverted desires for children or animals, make themselves into a victimised identity group, and begin demanding their "rights"? All it took for God to vaporise Sodom and Gomorrah was blatant unrepentant sodomy, to the point of attempted rape of Lot's guests. It's a wonder this country hasn't yet been vaporised by an outraged God, because we are waaay past the point at which He destroyed those cities. I feel like I need a shower just being aware of the existence of such practices/people. I wish I'd never heard of this sick perversion. I could have lived in any decade before the Sixties and never have had to know of the existence of such perversion, much less its acceptance and even its elevation. These are slimy sleazy days in which to live.
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With all that's becoming acceptable in this sick sick society, with the goalposts getting moved as fast as they are now, how can anyone doubt that it won't be long before enough people "come out" with their perverted desires for children or animals, make themselves into a victimised identity group, and begin demanding their "rights"? All it took for God to vaporise Sodom and Gomorrah was blatant unrepentant sodomy, to the point of attempted rape of Lot's guests. It's a wonder this country hasn't yet been vaporised by an outraged God, because we are waaay past the point at which He destroyed those cities. I feel like I need a shower just being aware of the existence of such practices/people. I wish I'd never heard of this sick perversion. I could have lived in any decade before the Sixties and never have had to know of the existence of such perversion, much less its acceptance and even its elevation. These are slimy sleazy days in which to live.
Republicans recently wanted an amendment in the heat crime bill in congress to remove pedophiles from being protected. Every Dem voted against the amendment, they also voted down an amendment adding veterans to being protected.
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This thread reminds me of a t-shirt I saw at a bike rally
(http://image.spreadshirt.net/image-server/image/product/968960/view/1/type/png/width/280/height/280)
The funny thing is that the shirt was a JOKE! The DUmpmonkeys never cease to amaze me in their neverending quest to out stupid each other!
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It seems to me that disliking a body part enough to want to have it removed indicates some sort of mental health problem, and if somebody told me that they had hated their penis since they were a child, my first instinct would be to assume that there was some sort of abuse in their history, because that just seems like a huge red flag.
Yes It's called Gender Identity Disorder,and up until probably the last 10 to 20 years it was treated. But the GLBT community managed to bully the APA into not using the conversion therapy anymore as they considered it abusive and cruel! The PC crowd strikes again! :banghead:
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With all that's becoming acceptable in this sick sick society, with the goalposts getting moved as fast as they are now, how can anyone doubt that it won't be long before enough people "come out" with their perverted desires for children or animals, make themselves into a victimised identity group, and begin demanding their "rights"? All it took for God to vaporise Sodom and Gomorrah was blatant unrepentant sodomy, to the point of attempted rape of Lot's guests. It's a wonder this country hasn't yet been vaporised by an outraged God, because we are waaay past the point at which He destroyed those cities. I feel like I need a shower just being aware of the existence of such practices/people. I wish I'd never heard of this sick perversion. I could have lived in any decade before the Sixties and never have had to know of the existence of such perversion, much less its acceptance and even its elevation. These are slimy sleazy days in which to live.
I believe that crimes against pedophiles are covered in the new hate-crimes bill that passed the House of Representatives a couple of days ago. However, crimes against military veterans are not. :censored:
How ****ed up is that?
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"I was raised by a DUmmie all of my life,
Now I wanna cut off my penis and find me a wife"
hi-5 for the poetry
bitchslapped for writing poetry
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Wow. It occurs to me that I've apparently led a sheltered life.
How can a man want to be a lesbian.
Man who likes woman=straight.
Woman who likes woman=lesbian.
He already likes women.
There's something wrong with the math here.
Are you kiddin' me? I'd love to be a lesbian. Even when I'm alone I'd still be able to play with boobies :D
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Lesbian=Female homosexual
Males cannot be Lesbians. Stupidity really abounds at the DUmp. :mental: