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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Servonaut on May 02, 2009, 12:54:27 PM
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kpete (1000+ posts) Fri May-01-09 11:57 PM
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U.S. May Revive Guantánamo Military Courts
Source: New York Times
U.S. May Revive Guantánamo Military Courts
Officials said the first public moves could come as soon as next week, perhaps in filings to military judges at the United States naval base at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, outlining an administration plan to amend the Bush administration’s system to provide more legal protections for terrorism suspects.
Continuing the military commissions in any form would probably prompt sharp criticism from human rights groups as well as some of Mr. Obama’s political allies because the troubled system became an emblem of the effort to use Guantánamo to avoid the American legal system.
Officials who work on the Guantánamo issue say administration lawyers have become concerned that they would face significant obstacles to trying some terrorism suspects in federal courts. Judges might make it difficult to prosecute detainees who were subjected to brutal treatment or for prosecutors to use hearsay evidence gathered by intelligence agencies.
Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/02/us/politics/02gitmo.h...
A quote from the article the DUmmie didn't post
“The more they look at it,†said one official, “the more commissions don’t look as bad as they did on Jan. 20.â€
saigon68 (1000+ posts) Sat May-02-09 12:06 AM
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1. What a crock of Bullshit
Unbelievable.
Use a Barbed whip to extract a confession
That's real Justice
TacticalPeek (1000+ posts) Sat May-02-09 12:08 AM
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2. "Officials said . . . Officials ... say"
Why can't people go on the damn record and make themselves clear?
Downwinder (234 posts) Sat May-02-09 01:28 AM
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3. hearsay --"Officials said . . . Officials ... say"
Edited on Sat May-02-09 01:30 AM by Downwinder
"for prosecutors to use hearsay evidence gathered by intelligence agencies." Every bit as credible.
magellan (1000+ posts) Sat May-02-09 01:37 AM
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4. I don't see no effin "change" here. n/t
ConcernedCanuk (1000+ posts) Sat May-02-09 02:26 AM
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5. President OBAMA - the whole World is watching
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Close Gitmo
Close all the other illegal jails, detention centres
Treat the "accused" in the normal legal fashion
Charge them, or let them go
Sorta simple methinks
World is watching
Remember that.
We will.
choie (570 posts) Sat May-02-09 03:01 AM
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6. I'm truly sorry to say this,
Edited on Sat May-02-09 03:01 AM by choie
but - for me - Obama is becoming a huge disappointment, especially in these matters. How a constitutional "scholar" can continue these sham procedures is beyond me. Does EVERYBODY becoming compromised when they get a little power? or is he so afraid of appearing soft on terror that he'll go against the values that he supposedly holds dear? I'm really disgusted
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Q3JR4 (1000+ posts) Sat May-02-09 03:10 AM
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7. Better be careful. The rule of thumb is that
when the republicans do it, it's 100% wrong. When a democrat does it and you talk smack about what he's trying to accomplish you're a terrorist.
Q3JR4.
Just wanted to clear things up a bit.
If I really need to put this. *sarcasm*
Baby Snooks (1000+ posts) Sat May-02-09 03:30 AM
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8. The more things have changed...
The more things have changed the more they they have stayed the same.
I was disappointed, then disillusioned, then disgusted. And have been flamed to death for saying it. So nice to see someone else say it. Get ready to get flamed.
I supported him, voted for him, and expected of him. I thought he was my president. My president would not continue this disgrace. He is not my president. He is a disgrace.
ixion (1000+ posts) Sat May-02-09 06:50 AM
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11. damnit... where's the change?
can we please drop this fascist BS and get on with being a free country again?
PSPS (1000+ posts) Sat May-02-09 10:36 AM
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12. President Milquetoast. We still have bush in the whote house.
It sucks being a DUmmie.
:-)
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It sucks being a DUmmie. :-)
Always has, always will...and I will always be there to enjoy their suffering. :-)
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It never dawns on the Little Goons that when they invest their nonexistent hearts and satan-owned souls into getting someone "just like them" elected - and then that person "just like them" doesn't do exactly what they think he should do - that maybe (just maybe) they are wrong about the world.....so wrong that even someone "just like them" can see it when faced with reality.
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PSPS (1000+ posts) Sat May-02-09 10:36 AM
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12. President Milquetoast. We still have bush in the whote house.
I know the DUmmie made a typo, but I'm not sure which letter is wrong.
"white house" or did they "whore house"? :uhsure:
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NEXT Waterboarding will make a comeback! Could these people be more disengenuous?
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A quote from the article the DUmmie didn't post
They do that, omit things.
That's why it's always a good thing, if one has the time, to check primitive links to see if an article really says what the primitive says it says.
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It never dawns on the Little Goons that when they invest their nonexistent hearts and satan-owned souls into getting someone "just like them" elected - and then that person "just like them" doesn't do exactly what they think he should do - that maybe (just maybe) they are wrong about the world.....so wrong that even someone "just like them" can see it when faced with reality.
NO SHIT!!!
These morons fail to see, that if it was their loved one's in trouble, what they would be capable of in order to protect them from harm. What a bunch of AssHats!!!!
I would love to have a couple of 'em within arms reach!
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If there's some way of finding out the names of these primitives and have each of them shackled to a Gitmo prisoner once they're released, that would be great. I just want it to be filmed and made into a daily reality show, that's all I ask.
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If there's some way of finding out the names of these primitives and have each of them shackled to a Gitmo prisoner once they're released, that would be great. I just want it to be filmed and made into a daily reality show, that's all I ask.
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Stuck in a basement all day with a fat guy (no shirt) typing and ranting at his computer...eating old pizza with pork products on it.
Having to listen to a primitive emphasize with a jihadist, "I know what you're going thru. I'm just like you! Lets be friends..."
Now that WOULD be torture.
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Stuck in a basement all day with a fat guy (no shirt) typing and ranting at his computer...eating old pizza with pork products on it.
Having to listen to a primitive emphasize with a jihadist, "I know what you're going thru. I'm just like you! Lets be friends..."
Now that WOULD be torture.
H5 on that one!
I see 3 possible outcomes with this scenero:
1. Jihadist kills primitive, escapes to wreak havoc on 'infidels'
2. Jihadist kills primitive, then himself to collect his "virgins",
3. Jihadist abandons terrorist ways, becomes a Republican, and gets killed by primitive....
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Quote from: Mr Mannn on Today at 04:12:35 am
Stuck in a basement all day with a fat guy (no shirt) typing and ranting at his computer...eating old pizza with pork products on it.
Having to listen to a primitive emphasize with a jihadist, "I know what you're going thru. I'm just like you! Lets be friends..."
Now that WOULD be torture.
H5 on that one!
I see 3 possible outcomes with this scenero:
1. Jihadist kills primitive, escapes to wreak havoc on 'infidels'
2. Jihadist kills primitive, then himself to collect his "virgins",
3. Jihadist abandons terrorist ways, becomes a Republican, and gets killed by primitive....
I guess ^^10's are in order for those two posts. LOL. You forgot, Jihadist chews off own leg to get away from the smell.
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I guess ^^10's are in order for those two posts. LOL. You forgot, Jihadist chews off own leg to get away from the smell.
Let's remember that your typical jihadist doesn't exactly keep Proctor & Gamble in business with their hygene. They may actually tolerate and like that smell.
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There is a much bigger bomb about to fall on du and there political kin. And they have not yet discovered it
If obama is to revive Military Courts for Gitmo detainees,let us estimate ONLY 75 for hearings. Gitmo will not close in a year maybe not even two years . These criminals will need to be held SOMEWHERE until their trial dates. With the exception of (IDIOT) Murtha,nobody in the world wants to care for them. ergo gitmo will need to remain open until at least all the trials finish. I don't believe that 25 per year can be accomplished,so gitmo will be open at least 4 years or more.
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Let's remember that your typical jihadist doesn't exactly keep Proctor & Gamble in business with their hygene. They may actually tolerate and like that smell.
The question is, if everyone smells like ass, does it still smell like ass?
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There is a much bigger bomb about to fall on du and there political kin. And they have not yet discovered it
If obama is to revive Military Courts for Gitmo detainees,let us estimate ONLY 75 for hearings. Gitmo will not close in a year maybe not even two years . These criminals will need to be held SOMEWHERE until their trial dates. With the exception of (IDIOT) Murtha,nobody in the world wants to care for them. ergo gitmo will need to remain open until at least all the trials finish. I don't believe that 25 per year can be accomplished,so gitmo will be open at least 4 years or more.
Supposedly, there's some Montana residents that want them in their state. Something about some prisons with almost zero population in that state. If one escapes, they could run into such things as wolves, mountain lions, and grizzly bears, none of which were probably covered in the training camps in Jihadistan. All of which would turn the jihadi into dinner. 'Course, the carnivores would probably swear off humans after that . . .
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Supposedly, there's some Montana residents that want them in their state. Something about some prisons with almost zero population in that state. If one escapes, they could run into such things as wolves, mountain lions, and grizzly bears, none of which were probably covered in the training camps in Jihadistan. All of which would turn the jihadi into dinner. 'Course, the carnivores would probably swear off humans after that . . .
ooo000OOO!! Stinky Bait!