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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: jinxmchue on April 26, 2009, 10:05:28 AM
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Skinner ADMIN
Fri Apr-24-09 09:34 AM
Original message
A few people have expressed confusion about what is permitted here now that Obama is president.
(As always... Please read my entire message before you respond. Thanks.)
After eight long years of loyal opposition to the Worst President Ever,
"Loyal opposition?" That's what you call an 8 year long cluster****?
it is not surprising that Democratic Underground is experiencing some minor growing pains now that Barack Obama is president. This is completely new territory for this community, which to a large degree has been held together by our shared disdain for George W. Bush.
And guess what - it's still held together by the same. Many years down the line when Bush is long dead, if DU is still around, it still will be held together by hatred for George W. Bush.
With this in mind, the DU administrators did not want to make any precipitous declarations about What It All Means for Democratic Underground. Instead, we wanted to wait and see how the community naturally evolved without our telling you what to do.
It's been more than five months since the election, and three months since President Obama took office, and I think we now have a pretty good idea of what DU looks like with a Democratic president: It looks like Democratic Underground has always looked. We have a wide range of people, sharing a wide range of opinions, in ways that are interesting, irritating, smart, dumb, exciting, funny, insightful, friendly, or just plain rude.
But mostly just dumb.
Same as always. The more DU changes, the more it stays the same.
DU has never and will never change. The central focus of DU and its members will be a visceral, murderous hatred of President George W. Bush and anyone associated with him.
So I don't think there is any need for us to make any radical changes in how we run the place. We aren't going to change any rules or anything like that. And the way we enforce the rules isn't going to change much either: This place still gets tens of thousands of posts every day, we don't pre-screen any of them, we can't possibly read all of them, and we still depend on help from our members -- who can support the moderators by 1) striving to be productive members of the community, and 2) clicking the "Alert" link when you see a post that falls short of that ideal.
Or, you know, promotes independent thinking.
I think the one notable difference now is that we seem to spend more time and effort enforcing this rule:
Constructive criticism of Democrats or the Democratic Party is permitted. When doing so, please keep in mind that most of our members come to this website in order to get a break from the constant attacks in the media against our candidates and our values.
Enforcing and arbitrarily interpreting this rule...
Highly inflammatory or divisive attacks that echo the tone or substance of our political opponents are not welcome here.
Oh, the irony! 8 years of nothing but inflammatory and divisive attacks against President Bush.
I believe this rule is pretty self-explanatory.
Of course it is. You are allowed to believe that you have the freedom to post criticism of Democrats, but if that criticism is arbitrarily deemed "unconstructive," you're getting a granite pizza.
The vast majority of DU members seem to understand it implicitly, and naturally participate in a manner that complies with this rule without needing to be told to do so.
They understand it because of the tens of thousands of tombstoned members that they have seen come and go throughout the years. This is much like training a dog to behave by beating him daily with a stick.
But a few people have expressed confusion about what is permitted and what is not,
I cannot imagine why that is. (*cough*arbitrarytombstoning*cough*)
in part because some of our members have been peddling the ridiculous and false assertion that criticism of Barack Obama is not permitted on Democratic Underground.
Yeah, gee... I wonder where the hell they got that idea from.
Nonetheless, if anyone is confused about what is permitted here, I'll spell it out as clearly as I can. It's pretty simple:
* Any and all substantive criticism of Barack Obama and his policies is permitted. And by "any and all substantive criticism" we mean all of it -- no issue is off limits.
Except those that they arbitrarily deem to be not substantive.
And let's not forget the "substantive" criticisms of President Bush the DUmp monkeys have posted ad nauseum throughout the years.
* Expressions of dismay, disappointment or disagreement with Barack Obama or his policies are permitted.
And will be made note of so you can be watched for any post that violates our ban on people who disagree with Democrat beliefs.
* But insults, name-calling, or other expressions of contempt toward Barack Obama or his supporters are not welcome.
Even though DU has spent 8 long years of doing little else in regards to President Bush.
There is a part of me that is a little disappointed (but not surprised) that this even needs to be said.
Because the rules are so clear, right? Hey, never underestimate the stupidity of the average DUmp monkey.
Even if you don't agree with President Obama on a number of issues, I guess I kinda thought that everyone here would consider themselves -- on some level -- to be among his supporters.
Well, of course they are because you tombstone everyone else, Democrat or not.
Or, at very least, I didn't think that any DUer would want to deliberately use the same type of language one would expect to hear from tea-baggers and Freepers.
AUGH!!!! I'VE BEEN FLATTENED BY IRONY!!!!
It is our intention that ALL substantive criticism of Barack Obama be permitted here.
It's your intention that the DUmp monkeys and outsiders are led to believe that, yes.
If you believe there are any issues on which you are not permitted to criticize Barack Obama (or any Democrat) please post in this thread and tell me the specific issue -- I will gladly address your concerns.
And keep tabs on you.
Similarly, if anyone persists in spreading the falsehood that criticism of Barack Obama is now forbidden on DU,
...a granite pizza is headed in your direction.
I believe it is not unreasonable to ask that person to please identify what substantive criticism they are no longer able to share.
This makes no sense. If it's a substantive criticism, then why would they need to share it in order to complain that they can't share it. If it's substantive, it's allowed, isn't it?
One more VERY IMPORTANT point.
This post has focused on the limits of acceptable behavior when criticizing Barack Obama or those of us who support him. But I want to be absolutely clear: This does not mean "anything goes" for those DUers who defend him from criticism.
Like hell it doesn't. The defenders will act however they like and alert en masse and the poor target will be tombstoned before anyone notices the defenders' actions.
Indeed, we have knee-jerk bullies on all sides of this issue. Just as DUers should be able to support and defend Barack Obama here on DU without being attacked or having their motives questioned, DUers should also be able to share legitimate criticism of Barack Obama without being attacked or having their motives questioned.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I believe that the vast majority of DUers are not bothered by legitimate disagreements shared in the spirit of mutual respect. That is the ideal that we should *all* be striving for.
And the triumphal fanfare swells to epic [fail] proportions!
DUmmie FUnnies' take:
http://dummiefunnies.blogspot.com/2009/04/head-dummie-skinner-takes-charge-of-his.html
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Oh Teh Irony :-) :evillaugh:
There's too much deliciousness in that thread! Some gems -
frogcycle (1000+ posts) Fri Apr-24-09 09:38 AM
Response to Original message
2. Well said
Do you sometimes feel like you are operating a sandbox for preschoolers?
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Fri Apr-24-09 09:39 AM
Response to Reply #2
3. I used to think that.
But now that I have children of my own, I realize that kids are much more difficult to handle than opinionated adults.
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Fri Apr-24-09 10:09 AM
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37. Thank you Skinner. I just want to say that the last week or so
I have noticed a real improvement. The DU is once again becoming my source of good information and ways of looking at things. Is is once agian becoming an escape from nonsensical right wing attacks that flood the MSM.
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Nah, gotta be a mole :-)
NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Fri Apr-24-09 10:59 AM
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105. I don't know about that. I just know that when I go to the Greatest page
it's not filled with Obama bashing threads. Instead it's now balanced and more reflective of what I would expect to see at DU. I enounter and debate freepers and tea baggers on a regular basis. DU has always been my source for good information that dispell the never ending stream of right wing lies and myths. This board also acts as a Democratic think tank which provides many good talking points and ways of looking at things. So DU was a valuable resource, in my opinion. Sadly that great character was fading away. I would see polls that showed the over whelming majority of DU support Obama, yet that wasn't reflected by the volume and nature of the posts. It seemed like a very active and vocal minority were working over time to hijack DU. They were flooding the boards with one Obama bashing and Democrat bashing thread after another. We are not talking thoughtful or reasoned criticism. Rather we are talking hyperbole and knee jerk reactions (for example declaring Obama's presidency a bust after a week, month or even 100 days). There wasn't any effort at thoughtful discussion or debate. Rather it had all the earmarks of a campaign with an anti-Obama agenda.
Aww, ain't this one cute?
McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Fri Apr-24-09 06:13 PM
Response to Reply #207
582. We have 2 DU's. "General" and "Presidential" That should tell you there is a problem.
Post the wrong kind of thread in the wrong section and you will get attacked. Civil War is never pretty. Can't we all just get along?
Ruh Roh Shaggy
yardwork (1000+ posts) Fri Apr-24-09 03:04 PM
Response to Reply #386
393. I've been a mod so I know how it works. I've alerted and written to the mods many times.
Many people have alerted on abusive posts, only to be told that we're imagining things or engaging in "phony outrage."
There is a problem on DU. People have taken responsibility to alert and point out problems, and the problem is still ignored.
yardwork (1000+ posts) Fri Apr-24-09 10:29 AM
Response to Reply #61
62. It's pervasive, all over DU. It leads to anger.
yardwork (1000+ posts) Fri Apr-24-09 10:19 AM
Response to Reply #35
46. Note that there is an example of what I'm talking about right here in this thread.
Some of us are angry because we get "still didn't get that pony" all the time, while the mods and Admins keep telling us that if we're just polite, everything will be fine.
Well, my question to you upthread was polite. And you see the response by another DUer.
How eloquent!!!
Vickers (1000+ posts) Sat Apr-25-09 02:20 AM
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687. I'm just glad I have a place where I can still call George Bush a
goddam shit-stain of a ****-knobbed douche-bag.
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I think that NJmaverick may speak with a lisp and the lisp slipped into its spelling.
Its post said: This board also acts as a Democratic think tank
I figure if it does indeed have a lisp it would sound somewhat like: Thith board altho actth ath a Democratic think tank.
I think if it intended to be honest it would have said: This board also acts as a Democratic stink tank
Or the mav could just be delusional.
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DU is more like a tinkle tank than a think tank, loyal opposition? No DUmmies, you forgot all about the loyal part when you were supporting the enemies of the US.
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I think the one notable difference now is that we seem to spend more time and effort enforcing this rule:
Constructive criticism of Democrats or the Democratic Party is permitted. When doing so, please keep in mind that most of our members come to this website in order to get a break from the constant attacks in the media against our candidates and our values.
Posted that with a straight face did ya David (Skins)?
Guess what big shot...you are a hypocritical ass of no character or value.
The only thing that surpasses your worthlessness is the unbelievable stupidity of the rank and file DUmmies that you mock and extort.
You prey on the dimwitted and utterly insane,greedily taking their money while laughing at them.
Piece of shit.
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It's a Democrat groupthink tank, really.
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I think now is a prime opportunity to establish moles. Obviously, they're going to be keeping a vigilant eye out for critical posts against Obama that aren't "substantive."
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I think now is a prime opportunity to establish moles. Obviously, they're going to be keeping a vigilant eye out for critical posts against Obama that aren't "substantive."
I signed one up yesterday but haven't posted yet.
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DU is more like a tinkle tank than a think tank, loyal opposition? No DUmmies, you forgot all about the loyal part when you were supporting the enemies of the US.
"Loyal opposition" makes it sound as if they have a different idea about how to do the right thing. "Loyal opposition" sounds like a dispute about implementation to achieve our common goals. "Loyal opposition", as a label, is a lie.
The Little Goons openly call for and support a metamorphosis of our democratic representative republic into a repressive socialist government modeled after known historic failures. They actively work against our Constitution and the God-given right to individual freedom.
The Little Goons of DemocratUnderground.com are a tiny unimportant subpanel of a larger and more visible group who are plainly and unabashedly active enemies of the United States of America and free people everywhere. The Little Goons, while impotent and unimportant, are clearly a representation of the real and present danger which we good and decent normal Americans must face RIGHT NOW.
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Fri Apr-24-09 09:39 AM
Response to Reply #2
3. I used to think that.
But now that I have children of my own, I realize that kids are much more difficult to handle than opinionated adults.
Skinner has spawned some little Skinners ? Dear lord. Tell me it ain't so.
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"Loyal opposition" makes it sound as if they have a different idea about how to do the right thing. "Loyal opposition" sounds like a dispute about implementation to achieve our common goals. "Loyal opposition", as a label, is a lie.
The Little Goons openly call for and support a metamorphosis of our democratic representative republic into a repressive socialist government modeled after known historic failures. They actively work against our Constitution and the God-given right to individual freedom.
The Little Goons of DemocratUnderground.com are a tiny unimportant subpanel of a larger and more visible group who are plainly and unabashedly active enemies of the United States of America and free people everywhere. The Little Goons, while impotent and unimportant, are clearly a representation of the real and present danger which we good and decent normal Americans must face RIGHT NOW.
Thats the first thing that hit me - there has never been any loyal opposition to anything done during the last administration. The DUmp is opposed not only to the Bush administration's methods, but it's goals and even basic U.S doctrine.
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Skinner has spawned some little Skinners ? Dear lord. Tell me it ain't so.
little skins
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little skins
Can that be translated to mean "foreskins?"
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Can that be translated to mean "foreskins?"
maybe he has fourskins
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Tombstone orders were coming so fast the stone cutters started pouring them outta concrete.....supply and demand, you know, capitalism.
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Skinner:
it is not surprising that Democratic Underground is experiencing some minor growing pains now that Barack Obama is president. This is completely new territory for this community, which to a large degree has been held together by our shared disdain for George W. Bush.
That's a shame. I actually expected more from him. I would have expected him to be more honest.
It isn't "disdain" Skinner. It's Hate. Pure, simple, hate. Your members have proven it every damn day since DU started.
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Skinner has spawned some little Skinners ? Dear lord. Tell me it ain't so.
Yeah, well, kids learn. DUmmies don't.
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...it is not surprising that Democratic Underground is experiencing some minor growing pains now that Barack Obama is president.
I think this is a challenge.
Where's BC and his DUmpDiver program when you need it. Last I saw, the ranks of traitorous scum were declining precipitously since Lord Zero's imaculate constipation.
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The lol givah!
He gave them them the low down and the skinny on the low down dirty dealings of the DUmmies.... he is the LOL Givah..
Storyboard at Liberty Fiction Updated:
1934: War Between US-CSA - revisionist history war story
Nightmares of Command -scifi
Age of Designer Tribalism -A serious riff on PC nonsense
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that has got to be the longest thread at DU in quite some time! :o
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Wouldn't it have been easier and quicker for him to write...
Skinner
Everything Bush did was bad. Everything Obama does is good. Don't stray from the formula and you can stay on this site.
I mean, that's what it essentially comes down to.
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that has got to be the longest thread at DU in quite some time! :o
Lots of people making sure to kiss the lol givah's ass.
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What a joke...they can only hate, now they get to hate on the ohole.
I love this DU Ad Bot post at the end of the locked thread:
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:rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
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What a joke...they can only hate, now they get to hate on the ohole.
I love this DU Ad Bot post at the end of the locked thread:
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:rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
I think thats the Glenn Beck thing
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I think thats the Glenn Beck thing
Ayup. It says at the bottom 912. That's his new project.
I have to say, that is one of the funniest threads I have read in a while. The DuFu take on it was truly masterful. Basically, the law has been laid down, the subject has been violently hashed out, and it is still just as clear as mud. Awesome.