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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Servonaut on April 21, 2009, 02:32:34 PM
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Soylent Brice (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-21-09 12:06 PM
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Racism is Alive and Well in America
first time secession talk happened was when Lincoln was elected. it was over slavery issues.
the next time secession talks have come up it happens to be during the first african american presidency.
coincidence?
nah.
it just goes to show you how deeply rooted racism is in this country. racism is alive and well, and this shit needs to be brought up in conversation everywhere, personally, M$M, etc.
to be quite frank, i'm beyond being appalled and actually quite angry about this. has this country really degenerated this much in the last eight years?
Really
I remember DUmmies talking about secession. A quick google search
MN ChimpH8R (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-22-05 03:16 PM
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Secession - a serious alternative?
The topic of "blue state" secession has been kicked around in a humorous way since the election. Maybe it is time to take it more seriously.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4850786
donheld (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-07-04 01:58 AM
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Blue State Secession Movement
I've heard rumors about some wanting to secede. Anybody have any links. I heard it was talked about on Mclaughlin group, but i can't find anything.
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Apollo11 (1000+ posts) Fri Oct-05-07 06:42 AM
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Anger over Iraq and Bush prompts calls for secession from the US for Vermont
(The Independent, UK)
THE INDEPENDENT (London, England) - October 5,2007
Anger over Iraq and Bush prompts calls for secession from the US for Vermont
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umtalal (1000+ posts) Mon Oct-04-04 10:55 PM
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Should Califronia Secede from the Union?
Edited on Mon Oct-04-04 11:05 PM by umtalal
The Commentary:
http://www.latimes.com/news/columnists/la-oe-morrison29 ...
And Arnold Could Be Its President ...
Patt Morrison
September 29, 2004
California, here we go. Again.
For 25 glorious days in the summer of 1846, the Bear Flag flew over an independent nation, the California Republic. The time has come once more to "dissolve the political bands" that bind, specifically the ones that tether us to the United States like a milk cow to a Conestoga wagon. The time has come to make California a republic again.
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Wed Sep-26-07 01:53 PM
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Time to pull up stakes and secede: Republic of California
I guess it's come down to this. After our Tonkin Gulf Resolution we just passed against Iran, we are going to start a war with another mideast Theocracy. Great. Couldn't these ****s take a cue from Reagan (yeah, THAT Reagan) and get the **** out of the Mideast like he did (Lebanon, 82).
And guess who comes after Iran? Yep, Lebanon. Not many noticed but Bush recently lumped Lebanon with Afghanistan and Iraq. Expect to see us dumb rushing into that country next.
With what soldiers? you might ask...
Well the draft is coming back. There's no other way. So expect to see our sons and daughters sent off to these hell holes to get killed. Expect to see more videos of Americans being beheaded, more posts on Al Jazeera being shot by snipers. Expect to see the Democratic nominee "supporting the troops" by staging a photo op. I literally wouldn't be surprised if Karl Rove went to work with whomever wins the Democratic nomination.
So, the only thing left to do is leave. Or rather, now that America has left us - places like California need to secede. We were a country once, we can do it again. This time, without Sonoma as our capitol. All that wine might lead our senators and assemblypersons to bad decisions.
Hell, we could even split California in two: American California and The Republic of California. Leave the Central Valley to Jesusland, and we take the rest.
And what about those electoral votes the Dems need from California? Well they pissed those away, so **** off.
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The thread then turns into a hate crimes thread.
Soylent Brice (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-21-09 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #2
4. not too mention that it's like pulling teeth
to get states to enact hate crime laws, or even enforce them for that matter.
pnutbutr (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-21-09 12:18 PM
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7. why not just have laws
that cover all races for the crimes they commit?
Soylent Brice (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-21-09 12:21 PM
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10. ...
"All Americans have a stake in an effective response to violent bigotry. Hate crimes demand a priority response because of their special emotional and psychological impact on the victim and the victim's community. The damage done by hate crimes cannot be measured solely in terms of physical injury or dollars and cents. Hate crimes may effectively intimidate other members of the victim's community, leaving them feeling isolated, vulnerable and unprotected by the law. By making members of minority communities fearful, angry and suspicious of other groups -- and of the power structure that is supposed to protect them -- these incidents can damage the fabric of our society and fragment communities."
pnutbutr (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-21-09 12:25 PM
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16. and what
laws against the crimes can't do that? How does tagging "hate crime" to the end of a charge change anything regarding the feelings of the community or people affected by it except by exacerbating the fact that they are different and must be singled out as different by a specific moniker applied to a common crime?
Soylent Brice (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-21-09 12:29 PM
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20. it's like i'm talking to a wall.
let's try again, more specifically this time:
"The damage done by hate crimes cannot be measured solely in terms of physical injury or dollars and cents. Hate crimes may effectively intimidate other members of the victim's community, LEAVING THEM FEELING ISOLATED, VULNERABLE AND UNPROTECTED BY THE LAW."
I think all victims of crime feel that way.
pnutbutr (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-21-09 12:32 PM
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26. If a crime
is committed and the perpetrator captured they will be tried for their crime. I don't see how that works differently or is less effective than sticking the term "hate crime" on the end of the charge. Any crime intimidates other members of a community. Joe gets shot to death in the street and everyone on that street is going to feel scared and intimidated no matter their race. As for being unprotected by the law without sticking the term "hate crime" to the end, that's just silly. The police either do their job or they don't.
Soylent Brice (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-21-09 12:37 PM
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32. do you believe in the possibility that maybe, just maybe, sometimes
the police don't follow through with certain crimes in certain... say... predominately "black areas" more so than they would in... i don't know... say... something equivalent to Bushies' gated community...
the difference between a crime and a hate crime:
a man is robbed and shot.
a black man is hung from a tree with a burning cross next to him.
do you really not understand the difference????
pnutbutr (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-21-09 12:41 PM
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35. I see
man is killed by gunshot
man is killed by hanging
If the police aren't doing their job, get on the ****ing police to do their jobs, don't make up a tag to throw on the end of a criminal charge and expect it to change how the police operate.
Soylent Brice (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-21-09 12:52 PM
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42. i see. so what you're really saying is:
*picture of woman with fingers in ears*
gotcha.
pnutbutr (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-21-09 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #42
50. hahahahahaha
that wasn't funny at all. I'm trying to say that racial differences should not be an issue regarding law and that by creating tags that put the differences in the forefront it makes the whole idea counterproductive to it's intended outcome.
An interesting thread. :whatever:
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Personally, I have no problem with secession. Then again, I am a native of the most glorious place on God's green earth.
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Personally, I have no problem with secession. Then again, I am a native of the most glorious place on God's green earth.
That would be Texas correct ?
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That would be Texas correct ?
Yes, of course.
And since the DUmbasses know absolutely nothing about history, the first time secession was discussed in the US was in the early 1800s in New England, led by Timothy Pickering and a few other Federalists. :thatsright:
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That would be Texas correct ?
You bet your sweet Alamo it is.
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Of course racism is alive and well in America.
If one needs evidence, all one has to do is watch the primitives on Skins's island.
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there was secession talk before Lincoln
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Of course racism is alive and well in America.
If one needs evidence, all one has to do is watch the primitives on Skins's island.
I agree. I can honestly say that I haven't heard any complaints around my neck of the woods about 0 being black. Folks complain about him being socialist. Folks complain about him being inexperienced. Folks complain about him being elitist. Folks complain about him being an appeaser. Folks complain about a lot of things, but the fact that he is black seems to be a non-issue EXCEPT among DUers.
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The left has so worn out the race card it is no longer having an effect.
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It's the left that perpetuates racism.
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Living in the heart of the South, supposedly totally ignorant racist redneck land, the ONLY people I have heard say nasty or racist things about O are the old people at the nursing homes. I volunteer at a couple here, and the worst stuff that is said is by the old men. The shocker for the libs would be that the very harshest stuff comes from old BLACK men. They can't stand him! They say stuff like he has set race back 60 yrs., and they call him stuff like "That jumped-up half bred socialist." They use the n word freely. It is pretty funny, actually. When he won the election, I went over to one home a day or so later, and they were outraged! It is not what we are fed by the press, I hear a lot of what their families say, and they don't have any love for the O-man. These are people who worked hard all their lives, and are good, church going people, and they think that it would have been great to have a black pres., of course, but just not this one.
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I agree. I can honestly say that I haven't heard any complaints around my neck of the woods about 0 being black. Folks complain about him being socialist. Folks complain about him being inexperienced. Folks complain about him being elitist. Folks complain about him being an appeaser. Folks complain about a lot of things, but the fact that he is black seems to be a non-issue EXCEPT among DUers.
Same here.