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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on April 21, 2009, 01:28:01 PM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5505166
Oh my.
I wonder what's going on.
This is only a medium-sized, and not an enormous, bonfire on Skins's island.
WriteDown (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-21-09 10:58 AM
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Fatties cause global warming
THE rising number of fat people was yesterday blamed for global warming.
Scientists warned that the increase in big-eaters means more food production — a major cause of CO2 gas emissions warming the planet.
Overweight people are also more likely to drive, adding to environmental damage.
Lard help us ... overweight must eat less for planet
Lard help us ... overweight must eat less for planet
Dr Phil Edwards, of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, said: “Moving about in a heavy body is like driving in a gas guzzler.â€
Each fat person is said to be responsible for emitting a tonne more of climate-warming carbon dioxide per year than a thin one....
Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article238720...
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I'm wary of posting anything from "The Sun," but the arguments presented are interesting.
marshall (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-21-09 11:16 AM
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1. Not to mention the flatulence
The ecosystem is affected in many ways by our ever increasing girth and appetite.
Warpy (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-21-09 11:19 AM
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3. Nobody wants to be fat in a world where the ideal is praying mantis thin.
Do you think there would be so many fat folks out there if there were a real choice, a real treatment?
There is no false piety worse than that of the young and temporarily thin.
WriteDown (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-21-09 11:26 AM
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6. Another interesting question....
Do you think there would be so many fat folks if the onion ring or french fries were never invented?
Or Cheetos. Or marijuana, which tends to make stoned primitives hungry.
get the red out (463 posts) Tue Apr-21-09 11:31 AM
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9. Western food sytems are set up to make people fat
It is a chore to select stuff that won't make you fat and unhealthy. We need to make some systematic changes. And I am thin, but I cannot glide by and let larger people hold the blame totally on their shoulders in this junk-food and car based world we live in.
WriteDown (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-21-09 11:37 AM
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10. Not so sure its the food system...
As much as our inactivity.
Like the inactivity of hanging around Skins's island too much.
That's what happened to Doug's ex-wife.
CTyankee (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-21-09 01:23 PM
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22. Why can't we just eat fresh and in season AND eat smaller portions?
You will never find an Italian eating a huge platter of pasta with a heavy sauce. He/she will eat a small portion before the main course --nearly always-- they eat pasta twice a day and don't get fat. Middle age spread maybe but not obese.
Why is it the Italians, French and Spanish can do this and we can't?
Maybe it's because the Italians, French, and Spanish don't hang around Skins's island.
Coventina (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-21-09 11:24 AM
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5. This will become a self-correcting problem, I fear
If the planet survives another generation, being fat will be remembered with nostalgic fondness.
shraby (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-21-09 11:27 AM
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7. If diets/weight loss programs/weight loss pills really worked, there'd be NO fat people because noone WANTS to be overweight...but those methods don't work now, didn't then, and won't tomorrow. Criticism is no cure and won't help either. Until science finds out what causes it, overweight people will continue to feel miserable not only from their own discomfort, but by the shame and ridicule heaped on them by the "skinnies" who haven't a clue about anything.
Talk about being behind the times, the shrubby primitive.
Science long ago discovered what causes fatness.
Eating too much.
But the shrubby primitive, being a primitive, doesn't like that, and so is hoping science discovers a cause the shrubby primitive likes.
woodsprite (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-21-09 12:38 PM
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16. Why don't we add "menopausal women contribute to global warming."
Oh my yes.
The dysmenopausal Kansas school teacher, the "Proud2BLibKansan" primitive, has hot flashes capable of heating entire large school buildings.
FudaFuda (393 posts) Tue Apr-21-09 02:08 PM
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24. Any vegetarian with a private jet is 500x worse than a single fatboy.
Well, yeah, probably the foodfood primitive is right.
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eat like a cow, fart like a cow....
save the world, kill the vegetarians
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For me, vegetables and vegetable based beverages are causing way too much methane release. MEAT RULZ!
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shraby (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-21-09 11:27 AM
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7. If diets/weight loss programs/weight loss pills really worked, there'd be NO fat people because noone WANTS to be overweight...but those methods don't work now, didn't then, and won't tomorrow. Criticism is no cure and won't help either. Until science finds out what causes it, overweight people will continue to feel miserable not only from their own discomfort, but by the shame and ridicule heaped on them by the "skinnies" who haven't a clue about anything.
Bull to the shit.
Just a few comments:
ON the overweight don't want to be overweight:
1. No, of course not, but they do stay that way if they don't ever own up to their own responsibility for being that way. Kind of the old admitting you have a problem first before you can actually solve the problem
2. Again, no of course they don't, but people admit all the time that they really don't want to put the work in: the potluck at work is just too tempting, or the holiday food, and run around the block--it can wait. I get it, we are all there no matter how fit we are, but at some point you have to stop running all the bad choices together or no matter how much you don't want to be overweight, you always will be that. Wishing you weren't isn't enough to change years of abuse of inactivity and overeating on the body.
On the "skinnies" comment:
1. Never occured to Shraby's I suppose that the 'skinnies' were once 'heavies' and by virtue of having been on both sides of the coin, know exactly what they are talking about in regards to what it takes.
2. Using terms like skinnies and belittling the efforts of others dismisses the hard work it takes to either maintain or lose weight. A lot of sweat, sacrifice, and sometimes working through injuries went into creating an athletic body. Why should someone be ashamed of that?
3. Active people come in all variations between overweight and 'skinnies': athletic, lean, overweight(but active), hell I've even seen pregnant women about to pop still doing step mostly low impact--wow! I gotta give them credit!
4. People encouraging weight loss and personal responsibility are not insulting fat people. ONe can not change a thing in their lives until they realize that they are the ONLY one to effect that kind of change, ie take responsibility. Trainers, fitness instructors, and friends who will encourage someone by staying real with them are not being insensitive. Somehow, I think that Shraby probably thinks the kind of push that active people wilkl give you sometimes almost like drill instructors are insensitive--they are not--they are keeping it real and encouraging.
On the 'Shraby's" of the world:
1. Shraby is the worst type of person to have around when you are losing weight. They discount the efforts of those people really working hard to change how they live their lives. They are roadblocks of the worst kind to positive change and are usually the type waiting with a piece of cake or chocolate to try and sabotage their friends so they can sit their holding their hand and sympathizing with their failed efforts. Shraby is nothing but discouragement and hopelessness that people like those ladies have to kick their way they through: in essence, it is the fat-enablers like Shraby who are the true enemies of healthy lifestyle choices, not the 'skinnies'.
2. I"m always amazed at how the Shraby's of the world can continue to hang on to the same tired old excuses when the web and the real world is littered with success stories of weight loss and every damn one of them who did it healthy will tell you the very firs tthing they did was get real with themselves and then they took responsibility for it with action. Shraby's arguments hold no weight, no pun intended, given the face of real hard evidence to the contrary, yet they still hold on to it.
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shraby (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-21-09 11:27 AM
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7. If diets/weight loss programs/weight loss pills really worked, there'd be NO fat people because noone WANTS to be overweight...but those methods don't work now, didn't then, and won't tomorrow. Criticism is no cure and won't help either. Until science finds out what causes it, overweight people will continue to feel miserable not only from their own discomfort, but by the shame and ridicule heaped on them by the "skinnies" who haven't a clue about anything.
They do work if you have some self control and determination :uhsure: Not a hallmark of the residents of the island though! :-)
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jtyangel, I agree, the sabateurs are the worst. My husband lost 50 pounds, from 270. His doctor was surprised and pleased; wanted to sign him up for a "government study" to determine how he did it. We don't need no stinkin study paid for with our valuable tax dollars. Here's all it was:
1. Eat like a normal person, not a bachelor.
2. No more screwdrivers, but some beer is OK.
3. Buy a big house which needs a shitload of work and not a lot of time to get it done before winter sets in. Work like hell doing physical labor all day long at top speed. Make sure the house has stairs.
At the end of the day, celebrate your good work and crack open a cold one. That counts as dessert.