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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dutch508 on April 19, 2009, 09:04:58 PM
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bottomtheweaver (1000+ posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x242668
Sun Apr-19-09 02:33 AM
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How many OTHER high-profile bombings, fires, school shootings, etc. have been covert ops?
I looked into the Our Lady of the Angels fire, a notorious elementary school fire in Chicago that killed 92 students and three teachers on December 1, 1958, and what do you know:
1) the school had been recently inspected, and while overcrowded, was perfectly safe, with at least five exits on the second floor;
2) the fire spread with frightening speed, completely unnoticed, until students in second floor classrooms were suddenly trapped;
3) the roof collapsed at 2:55, 13 minutes after the first call had come in to the Chicago FD, from the rectory housekeeper, at 2:42;
4) the official cause remains "undetermined" although fingers have been pointed at the janitor (who had four kids of his own in the school) and a 10-year old fifth-grader (who couldn't possibly have done it); and the piece-de-resistance,
5) the asbestos industry was facing extinction that year due to a study underway linking asbestos exposure to mesothelioma. Surprise, they wound up mining more of the stuff AFTER the mesothelioma report became public in 1960 as a result of the huge press attention the OLA fire received:
In the early twentieth century, asbestos had a reputation as a lifesaver. In 1960, however, it became known that even relatively brief exposure to asbestos can cause mesothelioma, a virulent and lethal cancer. Yet the bulk of the world's asbestos was mined after 1960. Asbestos usage in many countries continued unabated. . . . the asbestos industry and its allies in government, insurance, and medicine defended the product throughout the twentieth century. . . . despite overwhelming medical evidence as to the risks. . . . asbestos has proved so enduring because the industry was able to mount a successful defense strategy for the mineral--a strategy that still operates in some parts of the world. This defence involved the shaping of the public debate by censoring, and sometimes corrupting, scientific research, nurturing scientific uncertainty, and using allies in government, insurance, and medicine.
http://books.google.com/books?id=CWTeH9GJsfgC&dq=The+Gl...
So how many other big wedding "tragedies" have been hit jobs? Columbine? V-Tech? Maybe ALL of them?
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Sun Apr-19-09 10:00 PM
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1. We look forward to you actually providing some proof.
Not in the 9/11 dungeon, by Gawd...
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My dad was an insulation engineer. There wasn't a hi-rise in downtown Dallas built between 1955 and 1970 that didn't have insulation designed and installed by my Dad's team. We had rolls and rolls of asbestos/Fiberglas insulation around all the time. Dad padded the springs on our bunk beds with it. We kids use to jump on the rolls in the garage.
The asbestos hysteria is almost as contrived and phony as global warming.
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My nonth grade science teacher had an asbestos blanket in the classroom. She commented it was a great way to put out a fire quick becsue it didn't burn.
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When I first moved to Idaho, must a been around '78, the only work I could find was janitoring for the local school district. The school I took care of still had a coal fired boiler. Everything in the place had asbestos insulation.
When they finally upgraded they had to basically tent the whole damn place because they had the idea it would contaminate the neighborhood! They've gone way to far on this shit! It's really disgusting! It cost the school district hundreds of thousands in order to do the clean up. Money they just didn't have.
I've never understood how they can justify the expense when the district swears they're going bankrupt unless we pass the next levy!
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I've never understood how they can justify the expense when the district swears they're going bankrupt unless we pass the next levy!
They're just probably trying to expand their Womyn's Studies department. These things mean something to them.
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My dad was an insulation engineer. There wasn't a hi-rise in downtown Dallas built between 1955 and 1970 that didn't have insulation designed and installed by my Dad's team. We had rolls and rolls of asbestos/Fiberglas insulation around all the time. Dad padded the springs on our bunk beds with it. We kids use to jump on the rolls in the garage.
The asbestos hysteria is almost as contrived and phony as global warming.
Absolutely. Asbestos has been demonized like DDT. The libs love to point at their successes in having things removed but you never hear the cost from the other side. How many have now died from fire or malaria due to these products being removed. My guess would be you have probably lost 2 or 3 to malaria for every 1 you might have lost to DDT. I don't know about asbestos.
If you save 30,000 but lose 150,000 is it still a victory?
KC
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That such utter nonsense is even given a home tells one all they need to know about DU and its minions.
The whole lot of them are batshit crazy.
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Absolutely. Asbestos has been demonized like DDT. The libs love to point at their successes in having things removed but you never hear the cost from the other side. How many have now died from fire or malaria due to these products being removed. My guess would be you have probably lost 2 or 3 to malaria for every 1 you might have lost to DDT. I don't know about asbestos.
If you save 30,000 but lose 150,000 is it still a victory?
KC
Actually DDT wasn't proved to harm humans at all. It was supposedly harming birds. :whatever:
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Actually DDT wasn't proved to harm humans at all. It was supposedly harming birds. :whatever:
It made their egg shells "soft"....that was the original claim. Then it was downhill from there.