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Title: Racism comes in all colors.....
Post by: Carl on April 18, 2009, 02:03:35 PM
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jus_the_facts  (1000+ posts)          Sat Apr-18-09 11:29 AM
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Racism comes in all colors.....
   
....Jamie Foxx should be fired for his comments in regard to Mylie Cyrus...just like Don Imus was for his comments about the girls basketball team.

I've never been a fan of her's, but I was a fan of his untill I heard this racist rant...there is NO excuse for this to be apologized away as *comedy*.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUvWcegtqik

I don't have cable nor do I pay for radio...so this was news to me yesterday...can't even begin to express my disgust with this kind of behavior...regardless of what color your skin is...it's HATE SPEECH.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5482818


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Must not suggest that.

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Starbucks Anarchist  (1000+ posts)          Sat Apr-18-09 11:36 AM
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1. What exactly was racist about that?
   Crude, yes, but not racist.

And I doubt he'd get fired for it -- it's from a satellite-radio show where the rules are much less restrictive.

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Crazy Dave  (1000+ posts)        Sat Apr-18-09 11:40 AM
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6. I wasn't really clear if it was racist
   I heard one woman say, "that white b***h" I think but not Foxx. Didn't feel like listening again to fiind out though.

If they had said "black bitch" what you would say?  :whatever:

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dem629  (1000+ posts)        Sat Apr-18-09 02:10 PM
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41. The female radio host says "...that little white bitch...."
   Why point out Cyrus' race?

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Vanje  (1000+ posts)        Sat Apr-18-09 11:36 AM
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2. I dont think it was racism, so much as just really really mean
   It was nasty though.

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jmm  (1000+ posts)          Sat Apr-18-09 11:37 AM
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4. Sexist, crude, but not racist. (n/t)

Yet any criticism of O is. :bird:

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Gormy Cuss  (1000+ posts)        Sat Apr-18-09 01:22 PM
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34. The use of the term *white* doesn't make it racist.
   especially since Miley Cyrus has wealth (and therefore power) to at least the same degree as Foxx. Was it crude? Yep. Was it prejudiced? Yep. Was it racist? No.

In other words..

Dammit,racism is what I say it is when I want/need it to be.

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SmileyRose  (1000+ posts)        Sat Apr-18-09 11:38 AM
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5. I listened to it twice and still can't understand what they were saying.
   It just sounded like a bunch of jabber to me. (I have a hearing problem and audio only presents extra challenges). Is there a transcript?

And I'll be honest, celebs trashing each other (Like Natalie and Toby or Olbermann and O'Reilly) is fun to watch I guess, but in my world where it's everything I can do to get from waking up to going to bed without imploding, Imus or Foxx or anyone else running their mouths has very little significance. I normally don't have enough of me to be outraged.


I've always "read" Jamie Foxx as someone who generally has a low opinion of whites anyway and I always assumed we earned that opinion.

Yep...it`s whiteys fault. :rotf:

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jus_the_facts  (1000+ posts)          Sat Apr-18-09 11:47 AM
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10. Yet if the same thing had been said about Jamie's daughter....
   ...by a white comedian...you can't tell me it wouldn't be regarded as racism.

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Starbucks Anarchist  (1000+ posts)          Sat Apr-18-09 11:51 AM
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13. No, it wouldn't.
   The Don Imus example you used involved his use of "nappy-headed," a racially loaded term, to describe the Rutgers girls. Jamie Foxx himself did not use any racially loaded language, so if a white comedian used the exact same words Jamie did, it wouldn't have a racial tint to it.
   

Yeah,can you imagine that. ::)

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noamnety (1000+ posts)          Sat Apr-18-09 12:29 PM
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21. You're assuming an equivalency
   between oppressor and oppressed classes.

"Black bitch" <-- black is used to put a person "in their place" by reminding everyone of their lower status/value in our society. Think about what the underlying message is.

"white bitch" <-- what place are they trying to keep her in? The top rung of the ladder? Is that the same kind of message? Hell, that's a place of privilege, which I took as the undertone in what they were saying - that she's overly privileged and acts accordingly.

Again, the sexism in their statements was completely contemptible and I wish we lived in a society where people were as likely to get fired for sexism as racism. But trying to argue that flipping the races of the oppressed and oppressor leaves you with an equivalent statement just doesn't work, because in our society, the status and history of those races is not equivalent.

Boiling it down to its simplest power structure: CEOs mocking their sweat-shop laborers is not equivalent to sweat-shop laborers mocking their CEOs.

My head would explode if I tried to keep such mental contortions going every waking hour of the day.

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Starbucks Anarchist  (1000+ posts)          Sat Apr-18-09 12:32 PM
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23. Except Jamie never said "Gummy white bitch."
   He called her gummy while his cohost called her "that white bitch."

Your rationale has collapsed on itself. You started out claiming Jamie said racist things, then when you were called out on your mistake, you claimed he's racist by proxy because of his cohost. Then you try to posit a hypothetical where a white comedian combines what Jamie AND his cohost says but with the race reversed.

So what exactly is your point here? We all know what Jamie said was crude, but to claim it as racism is invalid.

 :lalala:

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OPERATIONMINDCRIME  (1000+ posts)          Sat Apr-18-09 02:32 PM
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46. You Obviously Don't Know The Difference Between Racism And Your Elbow.
   To put it in the same category as Imus is asinine at least and laughable at best. No, he wasn't being racist whatsoever. Nice try on your reverse racism shtick though.

How OMC stays there...feed the dog pack once in a while. :whatever:
Title: Re: Racism comes in all colors.....
Post by: Texacon on April 18, 2009, 02:07:47 PM
I didn't think Foxx's comments were near as racist as say ..... oooooo  ...... People protesting taxes!  Now THAT is a racist thang.

KC
Title: Re: Racism comes in all colors.....
Post by: miskie on April 18, 2009, 02:16:25 PM
I didn't think Foxx's comments were near as racist as say ..... oooooo  ...... People protesting taxes!  Now THAT is a racist thang.

KC

The Democrat Racism dance bores me. What I'm hoping is that the constant racist/blame whitey drumbeat bores the rest of America as well. Then it will lose it's effectiveness as a divisive tool.
Title: Re: Racism comes in all colors.....
Post by: MrsSmith on April 18, 2009, 02:17:20 PM
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noamnety (1000+ posts)          Sat Apr-18-09 12:29 PM
Response to Reply #19
21. You're assuming an equivalency
   between oppressor and oppressed classes.

Yeah, that Cyrus kid...always running around, oppressing people of different racial backgrounds.   ::)


Some people just can't face the reality of today's world.  The most oppressed people in this country, today, are divorced males.  Today's oppression has nothing to do with race, but an awful lot to do with gender and feminism.
Title: Re: Racism comes in all colors.....
Post by: Mike220 on April 18, 2009, 02:23:11 PM
How have y'all not figured this simple truth out: Only whites can be racist, and everything we do is motivated by keeping minorities oppressed.
 :whatever:

Title: Re: Racism comes in all colors.....
Post by: delilahmused on April 18, 2009, 04:40:34 PM
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noamnety (1000+ posts)          Sat Apr-18-09 12:29 PM
Response to Reply #19
21. You're assuming an equivalency
   between oppressor and oppressed classes.

"Black bitch" <-- black is used to put a person "in their place" by reminding everyone of their lower status/value in our society. Think about what the underlying message is.

So, in YOUR world view blacks have a lower status and value? Because the color of one's skin is simply a physical characteristic and has no bearing on who they are or what they are able to accomplish. You on the left seem to have real issues with a person's race. "Society" isn't saying that YOU are. Personally, it would never in a million years occur to me to look at a black person and think they weren't equal to me. Perhaps you should check your own prejudice. Code words and cute little quota laws can't erase what's in your heart. YOU said it, YOU own it. What a twisted world view you have. 

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"white bitch" <-- what place are they trying to keep her in? The top rung of the ladder? Is that the same kind of message? Hell, that's a place of privilege, which I took as the undertone in what they were saying - that she's overly privileged and acts accordingly.

So every white woman has now reached the top of the ladder by virtue of (once again) the color of her skin? If that's the case there's a whole lot of Wimmins Study curriculum that needs to be rewritten because those gals are STILL wallowing in their victimhood and might not appreciate you taking that away from them. But just so I understand, Jamie Foxx whose richer than I'll ever be, is a victim because of his skin color. While I, a middle class white woman, am better off because I'm white? What the hell happened to good old fashioned class envy?

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Again, the sexism in their statements was completely contemptible and I wish we lived in a society where people were as likely to get fired for sexism as racism. But trying to argue that flipping the races of the oppressed and oppressor leaves you with an equivalent statement just doesn't work, because in our society, the status and history of those races is not equivalent.

Well, that's a relief! I thought for a minute I was going to have to take down my Ode to Kate Millet shrine! I'm still confused. Didn't black MEN get the right to vote just after the Civil War? Granted, it was kind of touchy in those DEMOCRAT states in the south, but women were oppressed for a whole 50 years after that. Even in those free African tribes back in the homeland (well, the ones that rival tribes didn't sell to slave traders) weren't/aren't women little more than chattel? But it figures...just like a man to usurp my victimhood!

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Boiling it down to its simplest power structure: CEOs mocking their sweat-shop laborers is not equivalent to sweat-shop laborers mocking their CEOs.

Okay but what if the CEO is black? What if the CEO is a black woman? What if the sweat shop laborers are all white? Can they mock their boss, because now we've evidently morphed out of racial inequality and sexism (which appears to be more acceptable than racism) back to class envy. What if my CEO is a foul-mouthed bastard like Jaimie Foxx? Is it okay for him to call me "white bitch" because I'm white? Is that one of those times when oppressing another person is okay? That's a conundrum. Going from super heinous to just kinda heinous is the correct order racism, sexism, class envy...sexism, racism, class envy...or class envy, racism, sexism or...? I think I need to go back to college, I've forgotten Victimhood 101.

Cindie
Title: Re: Racism comes in all colors.....
Post by: JohnnyReb on April 18, 2009, 05:06:13 PM
"nappy-headed" by a white is a racially loaded term, white bitch by a black isn't......I think I got it now.

It's hard to keep these things straight when you're a one eyed, one horned, flying, purple people eater.
Title: Re: Racism comes in all colors.....
Post by: LC EFA on April 18, 2009, 05:27:19 PM
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SmileyRose  (1000+ posts)        Sat Apr-18-09 11:38 AM
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5. I listened to it twice and still can't understand what they were saying.
   It just sounded like a bunch of jabber to me. (I have a hearing problem and audio only presents extra challenges). Is there a transcript?

And I'll be honest, celebs trashing each other (Like Natalie and Toby or Olbermann and O'Reilly) is fun to watch I guess, but in my world where it's everything I can do to get from waking up to going to bed without imploding, Imus or Foxx or anyone else running their mouths has very little significance. I normally don't have enough of me to be outraged.


I've always "read" Jamie Foxx as someone who generally has a low opinion of whites anyway and I always assumed we earned that opinion.

Sure - Because it's impossible for a non-anglo to be a bigoted asswipe for no reason.  :whatever:

Who's the real racist here.

Title: Re: Racism comes in all colors.....
Post by: Carl on April 18, 2009, 05:28:11 PM
I think Cindie has (once again) hit it out of the park.
The left doesn`t believe for a second that a black person can make it on their own.
Nor do they care except for how they can exploit their own racism for political gain or as a solace to themselves for being concerned for those beneath them.
Title: Re: Racism comes in all colors.....
Post by: Rebel on April 18, 2009, 05:43:01 PM
It wasn't racist. Imus's statements weren't racist either. They were both signs of bigotry. I wish most people would learn the difference.
Title: Re: Racism comes in all colors.....
Post by: Carl on April 18, 2009, 05:54:46 PM
It wasn't racist. Imus's statements weren't racist either. They were both signs of bigotry. I wish most people would learn the difference.

Exactly,and the same as their constant slurs and hatred towards anyone Christian,southern (same as Christian in their book),hard working...etc.
Title: Re: Racism comes in all colors.....
Post by: Texacon on April 18, 2009, 06:15:13 PM
It wasn't racist. Imus's statements weren't racist either. They were both signs of bigotry. I wish most people would learn the difference.

You really think Mylie and Jamie are both married to more than one person?!  Really?!  I think Mylie is too young but that is just me.

/dummie

 :-)

KC
Title: Re: Racism comes in all colors.....
Post by: whiffleball on April 19, 2009, 06:30:24 AM
I think Cindie has (once again) hit it out of the park.
The left doesn`t believe for a second that a black person can make it on their own.
Nor do they care except for how they can exploit their own racism for political gain or as a solace to themselves for being concerned for those beneath them.

They don't believe it, but even more to the point they don't wish it and do everything in their power to keep the 'downtrodden' under their bootheels.  What would happen if the Left couldn't trumpet themselves as saviors of any group that it's politically expedient for them to do so?  It'd leave their agenda in tatters.
Title: Re: Racism comes in all colors.....
Post by: Chris_ on April 19, 2009, 07:01:33 AM
Racism may well come in all colors, but, it only comes in one political ideology: liberalism.
Title: Re: Racism comes in all colors.....
Post by: jtyangel on April 19, 2009, 08:26:22 AM
What a bunch of imbeciles. This kind of pretzel logic is how atrocities on other human beings happens. Tell one class they have moral authority over another and are incapable of the same kind of human faults as those they are supposedly better then.  If it's wrong, it's wrong for EVERYBODY. Last I checked, blacks had no special rights to put down others, but by all means, let's give blacks special, particular rights to dehumanize and put down others--it's so attractive to see a black man or woman fall right into the typical loud-mouthed, crude stereotype of blacks.

 The attitude of the majority(it seems) DUers there have allowed African Americans to become little more then haughty, spoiled brats who think they can do no wrong. Taking away that kind of accountability for behavior does not help anyone, but ensures they continue to squirm in the heights of their own narcissm and consumerism. Take a look at the black community I often see: willing to die over a stretch of sidewalk and risk family and limb to have enough money to be a rampant consumer for Apple Bottoms and 'bling'. Apparently consumerism is not a bad thing as long as blacks partake of it. Congrats DU and all liberals on creating a class of blacks that basically are stuck in high school values and continue to consume at rates that would make any good green liberal cry :-).
Title: Re: Racism comes in all colors.....
Post by: NHSparky on April 19, 2009, 08:28:45 AM
Miley Cyrus--white bitch=not racist.

Michelle Obama--black bitch=racist.  Or just bitch, period=racist.

Got it.
Title: Re: Racism comes in all colors.....
Post by: jtyangel on April 19, 2009, 08:35:45 AM
Oh and for the asswipes over there...I was called a white bitch before for no other reason then a black girlfriend's friend(also black) didn't like a white girl hanging at her friend's apartment. It was threatening and totally inappropriate. Those feelings did not go away just because she was a black female saying that to me, but she apparently did not feel she had the same restrictions on her tongue that I would have in a similar situation--she then, even in the early 90's, felt emboldened to say whatever she pleased about me as I stood right there, not knowing me from adam and as a guest in her friend's home(that right there was a life lesson to me despite all the liberalism pumped in over the years).

I'm sorry, but that female got no pass for me, nor was I put more at ease because she was black and I was white. In her one instance of 'permissable' intimidation according to liberal 101 she took some naivity away and reshaped to some extent my views. That was yet one instance actually that moved me closer and closer to conservatism. I'm sure the irony is lost both on DU libs and that female I mentioned above.
Title: Re: Racism comes in all colors.....
Post by: Ptarmigan on April 19, 2009, 02:41:38 PM
Its scum like them that keep racism alive. They are trying to keep it alive because they are addicted to oppression. Talk about victimhood run amok. Before all these socialist programs, illegitmacy and crime rate was very low among Blacks. All those welfare programs are a meant to keep Blacks down and they are a form of slavery. Black Africans and Caribbeans do fine in America. Black Caribbeans have the same history as Black Americans.
Title: Re: Racism comes in all colors.....
Post by: MrsSmith on April 19, 2009, 03:00:13 PM
Its scum like them that keep racism alive. They are trying to keep it alive because they are addicted to oppression. Talk about victimhood run amok. Before all these socialist programs, illegitmacy and crime rate was very low among Blacks. All those welfare programs are a meant to keep Blacks down and they are a form of slavery. Black Africans and Caribbeans do fine in America. Black Caribbeans have the same history as Black Americans.
The Irish may well have a worse history than Black Americans.  At least a slave had monetary value.  An Irish immigrant was worth less than the dirt they were buried in.  :banghead: