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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on April 17, 2009, 06:59:11 AM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=337x4259
I haven't read the whole thing yet; as per my custom, I read as I copy and paste; I wonder if the gigantic primitives puts in a whine about the nice bus driver who drives him around Last Vegas, showing him the sights.
Systematic Chaos (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-16-09 05:11 PM
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This may be one of my last posts here. I just can't handle the bullshit here much longer.
Some immediate clarification is in order: When I say "here", I don't specifically mean this group. You guys and gals have all been supportive and understanding of me any and every single time I've needed it. I will always be grateful for your sympathy, your encouragement, and your kindness.
Rather, when I say "here" I am referring to the whole of DU. I seriously, seriously never thought it could happen, but this past few days the insensitivity and - on occasion - cruelty on display here with regards to treatment of the obese, and "lookism" in general, have been causing me to cry and well up with absolute vitriolic rage.
Granted, this may be due to the fact that I've had to face sudden and complete withdrawal from my most important pain medication due to insurance, pharmacy, and doctor's office laxness and oversight, but that's neither here nor there.
All I know is my system cannot take the stress caused by some of the absolute ****wits who are becoming more and more commonplace in GD, the Lounge, and even LBN.
If you want to know just what I'm talking about, all you need to do is search the threads from the last three days concerning United Airlines' new policy about charging large passengers double fare, or read through the threads about the angelic vocalist Susan Boyle from Scotland (especially this thread - witness my single reply to what I feel should have been an instantly banworthy slight in that thread to see just what I'm on about!).
As for my personal life, my only saving grace is that I do have my disability coming in now. Just after my first check came, we discovered that my wife, along with over 300 other employees working for one of the major cell phone providers at her call center, is getting laid off on May 1st.
Sure, we expect that her unemployment will come through without challenge, but the job market here in Las Vegas is down by about 50,000 jobs over the past few months so I don't know what she'll find as a replacement.
Of course, this also means that my insurance will be gone come the end of May (COBRA my ass), so I'm now scrambling to apply for Medicaid. I already mentioned that I've been completely without my Fentanyl patches for a week now, because my doctor put me on a dose which is higher than the normal maximum which freaked out the insurance company and opened up a huge can of worms.
Of course, doing so is pretty much necessary given my size; the 100 mcg/hr patch which is supposed to be the maximum dose works more like a 50 mcg/hr patch on me, so my doctor wants to put me on 150 mcg/hr or two 75 mcg/hr patches simultaneously. Being without the patches at all has caused my pain level to go through the roof in an eyeblink, and all the wonderful things my doctor mentioned would happen to me were I to quit the medication cold turkey have happened.
I'm incredibly moody, far more depressed than even our present situation calls for at times, and I have moments where my mind is totally out the window. Hopefully, I'll finally have the patches again as of tonight, but what in blazes am I expected to do if I have NO insurance starting in June? There's no way I'll make it without - at a minimum - my diabetic meds, blood pressure meds and pain control, not to mention good wound care.
Oh, and another thing: I was supposed to have my lymphedema pump for my legs back in January, but after many phone calls and a whole pile of bullshit, only managed to get it a couple of weeks ago.
Of course, the leg sleeves which came with the pump weren't quite large enough, so I was able to bring the pump home but I still have no way to use it! Just today, after waiting patiently for a larger set of sleeves to be delivered, I found out from the lymphatic clinic that their vendor is out of business.
So I, as well as every other patient of the clinic who is awaiting a pump or other equipment, is shit out of luck until they manage to find another supplier. In the meantime, my legs have no infection and this would be a great way to help them heal, but I'm stuck having to wait for this mess to be sorted out.
That's more expense for me and for whatever insurance I have at any given time until a resolution is found.
I'm frustrated with everything, and where I once found a great deal of comfort here at DU and came for a way to cope, I now find myself increasingly angry with an ever-growing segment of the population here and think more and more about staying the hell away. I never would have dreamed it would come to this.
Ooops, the gigantic primitive forgot to mention the bus driver.
By the way, the gigantic primitive's going to love Pa Kettle's free medical care for all.
The empressof all (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-16-09 05:22 PM
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1. I'm so sorry you're having a shitty day
I'm glad your disability finally came through...That's quite a hurdle to go through.
Re: the threads that violate rules or start flame wars...You got to alert. The mods won't know if there's a problem unless someone clues them in. Please do us all a favor when you see these kinds of threads and let us know.
petersond (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-16-09 07:16 PM
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2. I know its got to be rough but hang in there, and please don't let the ragtag atmosphere of DU bring you down, it isn't worth getting all worked up about. And, like The Empress stated, if you see/read posts that are against the DU rules, feel free to alert, to bring them to our attention. DU is a big place, and reading/seeing everything that is posted here, is impossible....
lavenderdiva (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-16-09 10:49 PM
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3. I am so glad to hear that your disability finally kicked in for you. I am also sorry to hear about Jeanette's impending unemployment. You really need a ray of sunshine cast your way.
I can certainly understand your complete frustration with so many insensitive characters that roam about DU and post really hurtful things. Obesity does still seem to bring out the worst in people. Not just at DU, but in real life too. It still seems to be an accepted form of discrimination, hidden under the guise of 'I'm just worried about your health' sort of stuff.
I work in an industry where one's appearance means a lot. And yet, here I am, after being in a weight loss study for over a year, 10lbs heavier than I was when I started that program!! Go figure. Most everyone I work with is trim and trendy looking. Trying to find something to wear that is even SORT of fashionable (that I can afford) is quite a challenge.
All that said, both empressofall and petersond are correct: you MUST alert on each and every post that you find offensive. The mods are there to help you, and all of us quite frankly. They are never too busy to deal with the sorts of threads you mention; and after reading through that thread, I see that there was a LOT of cleaning up on aisle 13, as it were.
Mods want to know about offensive posts so that they can do something about them, and sometimes the posters as well. petersond is right: that there are so many threads going on at once, and often times, unless there are alerts, there are posts that aren't addressed by the mods. They depend on the alert system.
Switching gears: please, please consider this forum, if no other, your safe place. You know that there are so many of us here who care about you and Jeanette, and what you are going through. I want you both to know that you are in my thoughts and prayers. And I am praying for encouragement for your spirit, healing for your body, a new job situation for Jeanette, and some sort of solution for your medical issues. I am also going to be praying for you specifically to feel the blessing of ease of the burdens you have been carrying for so long. Those burdens may not go away, but that the weight and the stress they have been putting on you, would be eased.
We really do care about you both here. Even if you don't want to post elsewhere on DU, please continue to participate in our little family here in the WLF.
Damn.
I was hoping to hear how the bus driver's doing.
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Really, how long does it take for different primitives to figure out that when it comes to actually practicing the compasion and caring of which they claim to be defenders, they're hypocrites? Most of them will never see it in themselves, they're too convinced of their own perfection.
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"Lookism"? WTF? These fools just make up words these days.
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"Lookism"? WTF? These fools just make up words these days.
Just like they have to make up stuff about which to be offended!
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I think I'VE finally had it with people whose life sucks so bad that they go to a political website EVERY SINGLE DAY to look for solutions to their extremely pressing problems.
OK, here goes. I don't care how many bitchslaps I get, either: JUST BECAUSE A DOCTOR PUTS YOU ON MEDICATION FOR BEING A ****ING DISGUSTING FATASS, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU CAN'T LIFT A FINGER TO HELP YOURSELF. SEEING A DOCTOR ABOUT YOUR EXTREME OBESITY DOES NOT EXCUSE YOU FROM DOING SOMETHING TO HELP YOURSELF. WEARING A PATCH ON YOUR ARM TO DEAL WITH THE SYMPTOMS OF YOUR OBESITY DOES NOT EQUAL COMPLETE EXONERATION FOR YOUR ROLE IN BECOMING OBESE. When a doctor sees a fat person, it is assumed that the fat bastard can't or won't do anything to help themselves, so they drag out the medicine. Doesn't mean you can't help yourself, DUmmy.
Your ****ing fat ass was fat during the * Administration, and it's fat in the Obama one. It's fat under the current healthcare system, and (spoiler alert) YOU'RE GOING TO BE A FAT MOTHER****ER UNDER NATIONALIZED HEALTHCARE, TOO. If your entire life hinges on getting single-payer subsidized care just so you don't have to suffer the insult of, oh, helping to pay for a problem that YOU created, then **** YOU, you enormous turd. It's not my job to make you feel better about your own lot in life. Asshole.
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Damn, Banned, sir, you're good.
Remarkable; love your response.
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Damn, Banned, sir, you're good.
Remarkable; love your response.
Thank you sir. I have battled my weight for my entire life. One day I realized that going to the doctor for obesity really only works for the small percentage of the population that has a glandular problem. Even then, there isn't much doctors can do except to manage the symptoms. It irritates me when obese people (or any sick people for that matter) not only rely on doctors as a crutch, but they use the healthcare system as a whipping boy for all of their problems. That's why I'm careful to say that this person was fat under a Republican administration and is going to be fat under a Democratic administration; the real issue is who's going to pay? It bothers me when they essentially reveal that all they really want is for someone else to pay for their problem. Expecting someone else to pay for your problem is equivalent to denying that you have a role in creating the problem. That I believe is the essence of liberalism, and is therefore bullshit.
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Thank you, Banned.
I had an older brother--died at the age of 40 years, "cardiac arrest"--who had a weight problem, as did the others in the family, but not so much.
This older brother was a primitive--the usual standard customary Democrat, liberal, and primitive talking-points, in a well-paying governmental job (assistant director of a state agency), the good life with a substantial surplus of material things. (I'm not panning him; he had good points, great points, too, but nobody is perfect.)
After he developed diabetes, the physician suggested to him that it was the sort that could be treated without pharmaceuticals; i.e., by diet alone.
He was all for that, and dropped half his weight, down to something less than 200 pounds, and was looking good.
But then his primitivity asserted himself, and he decided it was "hard work," taking care of himself. So he went the pharmaceutical route, and ultimately gained back all he had lost. (I am talking about 7 years here, between the onset of diabetes and his death.)
It was very discouraging. And an abortion of much Talent, much Promise.
Me? Besides the diet, having scorned the comfort and security and affluence the parents and siblings sought (and attained), I live the strenuous life, which tends to keep off weight. As I pointed out to Bad Cat here one time, I probably burn away more than 200 times the calories most other people burn away, just by picking up the mail.
God is good; I have been spared much.
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I've never known anyone morbidly obese but I have to wonder how much someone eats each day to a)get this far in the first place, and b)maintain it. Perhaps one who weighs this much can't just go on a regular diet but you'd think his doctor would put him on some kind of program in addition to "managing" the various health issues caused by his enormousness. Granted, a doctor couldn't force an individual to diet but it seems futile to keep helping someone (not the pain meds, no reason to be cruel) when they obviously have no desire to help themselves. I can't believe with limited resources, national taxpayer funded health care would choose to pay to manage someone whose deliberately slowly killing themselves over things with better success rates. Britain sends women with breast cancer home, is he really naive enough to think there would be resources to pay for management of his "disease" so he can continue to eat enough in one day to feed a family of 12? Good Lord, at least call Montel or Oprah...they love to parade victims in front of the masses and have a couple of "experts" help him lose weight.
Still, I can't for the life of me figure out how someone gets like this. I gain 10lbs and I panic and eat smoothies and salads for a week until the excess pound go away. I'd think once you hit 250-300lbs alarm bells would be going off. One would think his body would be screaming, "Stop cramming me with so much food, you fat cow". Bulimia would be healthier and he could eat all the hamburgers & fries he wanted at one sitting.
And he's married! Where the hell has his wife been? When my husband needs to go on a diet, I put him on one simply by the meals I fix and the foods I choose to keep in the house. He may get junk out of vending machines but I don't need to contribute to it here. On a more practical note...how do they have sex? I mean, she would have to be on top but even then wouldn't his rolls of fat prevent their two organs from connecting? Or has she just given up and bought herself some toys?
Cindie
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The gigantic primitive's a long and tragic story, Delilah.
By the way, my fourth nephew and his wife presented the world with an heiress this morning, near Chicago, and named her "Delilah." I have no idea why, but suspect it's a cultural thing, given that the niece-in-law is from a culture not the standard one.
Anyway.
The gigantic primitive wanted to have a "fun life" when he was a little lad, scorning real work, and so took off for Last Vegas some twenty years ago to become a card-dealer in one of the casinos.
He dealt cards at tables there for many years, and one of the side-benefits of the job was all one could eat and drink (non-alcoholic, of course) while on duty.
A big shot in the casino, and probably he wanted people to know it.
I've followed the gigantic primitive for some time, and it appears to me that he began putting on about a pound a week, or circa fifty pounds a year (he recently turned 40 years of age), and then found himself an elephantine 550, 560, pounds.
Even sitting at a table dealing cards became too physically arduous--or perhaps he started breaking chairs--and so he had to quit. The wife, who is no Twiggy, had a job with medical insurance.
The gigantic primitive, sitting at home all day in front of the boob tube for a few more years--well, you know what happens there.
An obvious case of morbid obesity, the gigantic primitive.
It's very sad, and I mean that.
Anyway, so the gigantic primitive recently started getting taxpayer-financed social security "disability" checks, and because his wife is losing her job, the gigantic primitive is losing the insurance, and having to go on taxpayer-financed Medicaid now.
The gigantic primitive has whined, constantly, about medical services given him under a blue-ribbon private health-insurance plan.....one suspects the gigantic primitive's in for a rude surprise, when he gets all that "free" medical service, paid for by other people.
The primary problem the gigantic primitive has is his utter lack of gratitude.
I was greatly disappointed the latest bonfire by the gigantic primitive didn't include anything about that nice guy, the bus driver, who drives him around to see the sights of Last Vegas. Those stories are hilarious.
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I think I'VE finally had it with people whose life sucks so bad that they go to a political website EVERY SINGLE DAY to look for solutions to their extremely pressing problems.
OK, here goes. I don't care how many bitchslaps I get, either: JUST BECAUSE A DOCTOR PUTS YOU ON MEDICATION FOR BEING A ****ING DISGUSTING FATASS, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU CAN'T LIFT A FINGER TO HELP YOURSELF. SEEING A DOCTOR ABOUT YOUR EXTREME OBESITY DOES NOT EXCUSE YOU FROM DOING SOMETHING TO HELP YOURSELF. WEARING A PATCH ON YOUR ARM TO DEAL WITH THE SYMPTOMS OF YOUR OBESITY DOES NOT EQUAL COMPLETE EXONERATION FOR YOUR ROLE IN BECOMING OBESE. When a doctor sees a fat person, it is assumed that the fat bastard can't or won't do anything to help themselves, so they drag out the medicine. Doesn't mean you can't help yourself, DUmmy.
Your ****ing fat ass was fat during the * Administration, and it's fat in the Obama one. It's fat under the current healthcare system, and (spoiler alert) YOU'RE GOING TO BE A FAT MOTHER****ER UNDER NATIONALIZED HEALTHCARE, TOO. If your entire life hinges on getting single-payer subsidized care just so you don't have to suffer the insult of, oh, helping to pay for a problem that YOU created, then **** YOU, you enormous turd. It's not my job to make you feel better about your own lot in life. Asshole.
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FAT****ER WROTE: Granted, this may be due to the fact that I've had to face sudden and complete withdrawal from my most important pain medication due to insurance, pharmacy, and doctor's office laxness and oversight, but that's neither here nor there.
Well no shit, you have been on that dose so long your body has built up a resistance to the narctoic......now you need more....but you have to blame someone else. How the **** is it the pharmacy's fault you lazy piece of shit? Those patches are thousands of dollars each month.
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The gigantic primitive's a long and tragic story, Delilah.
By the way, my fourth nephew and his wife presented the world with an heiress this morning, near Chicago, and named her "Delilah." I have no idea why, but suspect it's a cultural thing, given that the niece-in-law is from a culture not the standard one.
Congrats to your 4th nephew! Mine comes from the Bible story (especially the Cecil B. DeMille version, because at the end Delilah did redeemed herself). She's the ultimate seductress and an absolutely perfect representation of woman's dual nature. Teasing & playful, pouty & manipulative, coquettish & downright slutty. A woman could learn a lot from Delilah...well without the whole greed and pissing off God stuff.
Cindie
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I was going to say something like "Stop shoveling food in your mouth you fat pig!"
but Banned beat me to it. :lmao:
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A doctor I know once commented on weight-loss issues -- to paraphrase : " Somebody wants to lose weight ? I know how to do it. Its very easy. Drink nothing but water and eat grass clippings."
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If I understand correctly, their new policy is pretty similar to other airline policies right?
You won't get booted from the flight if you paid for the 2 seats right?
The Giant One should just accept it, if you take up 2 seats, you pay for 2 seats... on the bright side, you get a window and an aisle seat!
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If I understand correctly, their new policy is pretty similar to other airline policies right?
You won't get booted from the flight if you paid for the 2 seats right?
The Giant One should just accept it, if you take up 2 seats, you pay for 2 seats... on the bright side, you get a window and an aisle seat!
There seems to be a contradiction here, emanating from Skins's island.
With the religion of "climate change" and "global warming" the current fad, the primitives accept the notion that those who use more carbons, should pay for them.
Likewise, those who use up more space, displacing the air, should pay for that additional space.
I mean, surely even a primitive can grasp the concept that someone who rents a 30,000-square-foot apartment isn't "entitled" to pay only the same amount of rent as someone who rents a 3000-square-foot efficiency.
Just as a person who consumes less pays less, a person who consumes more (in this case, consumes more space) pays more.
It's a very simple concept.
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Thank you sir. I have battled my weight for my entire life. One day I realized that going to the doctor for obesity really only works for the small percentage of the population that has a glandular problem. Even then, there isn't much doctors can do except to manage the symptoms. It irritates me when obese people (or any sick people for that matter) not only rely on doctors as a crutch, but they use the healthcare system as a whipping boy for all of their problems. That's why I'm careful to say that this person was fat under a Republican administration and is going to be fat under a Democratic administration; the real issue is who's going to pay? It bothers me when they essentially reveal that all they really want is for someone else to pay for their problem. Expecting someone else to pay for your problem is equivalent to denying that you have a role in creating the problem. That I believe is the essence of liberalism, and is therefore bullshit.
Totally agree, Banned! I get sick of hearing this as the mother of someone who really does have a disability that was NOT created by themselves and will never be able to much if anything to correct or even work with it to the point of the functionality the gigantic primitive would have if he just got his weight under control. I'm wondering why he or his doctor have never suggested bariatric surgery if he's so incapable of losing any other way? Oh that's right, the gigantic one really doesn't want his problem corrected. It's really a shame because in my experience, once that particular problem is resolved, one gets to be more and more confident in their ability to care for themselves and contribute and then start dropping their victimhood in favor of actin in all areas of life.
He should also be ashamed of himself for putting his wife in the position of being under so much pressure now with losing her job when he could have shed his victimhood years ago to help support that family properly. Bottom line though is if the gigantic primitive loses weight, then he also loses his days free to do whatever with he pleases: play video games, watch tv, and sit his quickly dying self in the care units of a hospital for months at a time--he doesn't want to lose what I think is a way of life for him--he doesn't want to work, I'm almost positive of this and uses the weight partially as an excuse to live on the dimes of others(as someone succinctly once put it, there is a whole herd of individuals willing to live mediocre lives so long as someone foots the bill for them to do so).
I hate to say it, but I wonder if his drain on the healthcare at work didn't figure into the decision to choose his wife as one of those put into the layoff. Of course, it could never be known, but I'd expect his care over the year alone has probably boosted the premium for the whole group plan in that area every year for as long as he's been on it. Especially for things that could be remedied by something he has control over to a large extent.
I'm not saying losing weight is easy and I'm sure it particularly sucks when you have limited mobility, but it is entirely possible. However, at the end of it you no longer have the weight as a crutch if you've been using it as that to avoid life. At that point, you have to face the real reasons your life sucks(perhaps mental health issues or something situational that tipped the scales) or if there weren't any issues like that you realize precisely the kind of self-imposed prison you set yourself in for so long and start living a real life.
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I've never known anyone morbidly obese but I have to wonder how much someone eats each day to a)get this far in the first place, and b)maintain it. Perhaps one who weighs this much can't just go on a regular diet but you'd think his doctor would put him on some kind of program in addition to "managing" the various health issues caused by his enormousness. Granted, a doctor couldn't force an individual to diet but it seems futile to keep helping someone (not the pain meds, no reason to be cruel) when they obviously have no desire to help themselves. I can't believe with limited resources, national taxpayer funded health care would choose to pay to manage someone whose deliberately slowly killing themselves over things with better success rates. Britain sends women with breast cancer home, is he really naive enough to think there would be resources to pay for management of his "disease" so he can continue to eat enough in one day to feed a family of 12? Good Lord, at least call Montel or Oprah...they love to parade victims in front of the masses and have a couple of "experts" help him lose weight.
Still, I can't for the life of me figure out how someone gets like this. I gain 10lbs and I panic and eat smoothies and salads for a week until the excess pound go away. I'd think once you hit 250-300lbs alarm bells would be going off. One would think his body would be screaming, "Stop cramming me with so much food, you fat cow". Bulimia would be healthier and he could eat all the hamburgers & fries he wanted at one sitting.
And he's married! Where the hell has his wife been? When my husband needs to go on a diet, I put him on one simply by the meals I fix and the foods I choose to keep in the house. He may get junk out of vending machines but I don't need to contribute to it here. On a more practical note...how do they have sex? I mean, she would have to be on top but even then wouldn't his rolls of fat prevent their two organs from connecting? Or has she just given up and bought herself some toys?
Cindie
I can't even contemplate that last paragraph..woah! :o
My guess is the gigantic one has 'dr shopped' over the years until he found one that no longer suggested that he get his weight under control. The internet is littered with 'fat acceptance' groups who find it patently offensive that a doctor even suggests that their weight could be a contributor to current or future issues. I have a feeling that given the gigantic one's proclivity to being overly offended to begin with and relishing in his victimhood at every opportunity that he probably sits firmly in the camp of the offended.
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.....the gigantic one really doesn't want his problem corrected.
You surely hit the nail on the head right there, madam.
He should also be ashamed of himself for putting his wife in the position of being under so much pressure now with losing her job when he could have shed his victimhood years ago to help support that family properly.
Bottom line though is if the gigantic primitive loses weight, then he also loses his days free to do whatever with he pleases: play video games, watch tv, and sit his quickly dying self in the care units of a hospital for months at a time--he doesn't want to lose what I think is a way of life for him--he doesn't want to work, I'm almost positive of this and uses the weight partially as an excuse to live on the dimes of others (as someone succinctly once put it, there is a whole herd of individuals willing to live mediocre lives so long as someone foots the bill for them to do so).
Remind anyone of the subway cat?
I hate to say it, but I wonder if his drain on the healthcare at work didn't figure into the decision to choose his wife as one of those put into the layoff. Of course, it could never be known, but I'd expect his care over the year alone has probably boosted the premium for the whole group plan in that area every year for as long as he's been on it. Especially for things that could be remedied by something he has control over to a large extent.
Probably.
Damn, you're good.
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You surely hit the nail on the head right there, madam.
Remind anyone of the subway cat?
Probably.
Damn, you're good.
Thank you, sir. While there are many overweight people who are very busy and probably stretched for exercise opportunities, even if they can control their diet and lose very slowly, there is no excuse for a man sitting home on disability, with a healthcare plan probably rushing to provide any weight loss assistance possible to reduce their overall bill on him, to not move forward in this. Disability, I believe, will be what kills him. He's now been given permanent license to be a victim and the only way for him to maintain it is by maintaining his weight to maintain the health issues he has. His wife should get wise, and dump the gigantic one now, while her own chips are down and he can't try and rape her for some kind of monetary maintenance while she's employed. I would think it very depressing to live with someone so consumed by their own self-destruction in the interest of making a few hundred dollars a month off of their fellow humanity to continue living their mediocre life in front of the computer screen with occasional outings to the doctor's or hospital. Sad.
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I'm sure, jtyangel, madam, that we're going to see some curious twists-and-turns in the saga of the gigantic primitive the next several months.
I doubt if one can "doctor shop" under taxpayer-paid medical plans, in this case Medicaid; I assume he's probably going to have to go with whatever physician gets assigned him.
I dunno; I've been so poor in my life before (not recently, though) that I even made church mice seem wealthy, but because I figured it was a good idea to stay in shape if one can't pay for the damages, I've never been on charitable medical care, as nothing catastrophic ever happened because I was on my guard.
(Note: this is NOT intended to be criticism of those who've had to use charitable medical care; my situation is different from that of most other people, who have a spouse and dependents riding on their decisions, while I have only myself to answer to.)
The gigantic primitive can't "doctor shop" under Medicaid, can he?
Anybody know?
Also, he's not likely to get all the fancy pharmaceuticals he's been getting, right?
Anybody know?
It'll be interesting, the gigantic primitive showing us the future under the 0bama health care system.
I suspect that the gigantic primitive was the subconscious thought behind this:
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,27216.0.html
He's never going to be satisified until he consumes all the earth, and himself.
And he still won't be satisfied.
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There seems to be a contradiction here, emanating from Skins's island.
With the religion of "climate change" and "global warming" the current fad, the primitives accept the notion that those who use more carbons, should pay for them.
Likewise, those who use up more space, displacing the air, should pay for that additional space.
I mean, surely even a primitive can grasp the concept that someone who rents a 30,000-square-foot apartment isn't "entitled" to pay only the same amount of rent as someone who rents a 3000-square-foot efficiency.
Just as a person who consumes less pays less, a person who consumes more (in this case, consumes more space) pays more.
It's a very simple concept.
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I already mentioned that I've been completely without my Fentanyl patches for a week now, because my doctor put me on a dose which is higher than the normal maximum which freaked out the insurance company and opened up a huge can of worms.
Rather interesting thing happened last night. Watching the TV with the family and a HUGE lawyer commercial came on which made me think of this thread. The TV commercial was looking for people who have been on the Fentanyl Patch so they could sue the manufacturer. Evidently this stuff is like 80 times more effective than MORPHINE! And some of the patches are leaking.
I wonder just what this giant is shooting for ...... hmmmmmmm Maybe there is actually another reason his doc pulled him off the patches?
KC
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They are never satisfied.
They are wanting someone to comfort them and give them a hug from Uncle Sam.
Actually they want to be slaves. Let the master worry about everything, they just want to be assured that nothing will change for them.
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3000 ft efficiency..... 30000 square foot apartments...
geez Frank.... thats some huge housing!
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Systematic Chaos
Of course, this also means that my insurance will be gone come the end of May (COBRA my ass), so I'm now scrambling to apply for Medicaid.
I'm still trying to figure this one out. COBRA was set up as a way for people with limited income and assets to protect them and their spouse via an irrevocable trust in order for them to qualify for Medicaid. My best guess is that his current issurance is paying for custodial care that Medicaid won't cover, so now he's going to have to ante in some of his own money for non-medical related expenses. You know, the rest of us should be paying for someone to come in and clean his house and all. :whatever:
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Normally I would feel sorry for someone in his condition but he such a...a... er... whats the word?? ---- that I can't help but laugh at his general direction.
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Normally I would feel sorry for someone in his condition but he such a...a... er... whats the word?? ---- that I can't help but laugh at his general direction.
My beef with the gigantic primitive isn't that he's a fat slob.
My beef with the gigantic primitive is that he's always so rudely ungrateful.
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right. Thats gotta be it. But words can barely describe his bad attitude.
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Oh my.
More now.
Systematic Chaos (1000+ posts) Fri Apr-17-09 03:16 PM
Response to Reply #3
6. Thank you, as always, for your kind and thoughtful response.
I've cooled way down since yesterday. It's really not like me to fly off the handle like that, and I'm glad that those times when I do I generally return to a more level state of mind fairly quickly.
I think in some ways Jeanette's being laid off is a blessing. Making the switch to Medicaid might allow me better treatment than what I've been getting from my private insurance. I've heard this time and time again from people who seem to know what they're talking about, so hopefully it will be true in my case as well.
Jeanette isn't very happy with her job anyway, so I'm hoping and praying that she'll be able to find something she likes after this. Her dream is to have a job working around animals, even if it's just to go around and clean cages all day. In a perfect world, I'd have sent her to veterinarian school years ago, but any compromise which will make her truly happy with her work would make me equally happy at this point.
I dunno.
I suspect the gigantic primitive's in for a rude shock, when he discovers the difference between "free" medical care and his private insuror.
It's going to be a big shock.
Another interesting thing going on here; please notice the gigantic primitive's more concerned about his wife working and making money, than he himself getting up off the couch and doing something for her.
Damn.
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The gigantic primitive can't "doctor shop" under Medicaid, can he?
Anybody know?
Yes, he will be able to doctor shop. In fact, even more then people with "paid" health insurance that are often times forced to pick a primary care doctor and stick with them
Also, he's not likely to get all the fancy pharmaceuticals he's been getting, right?
Anybody know?
It will be even eaiser for him now Frank.
But his story has more holes in it then swiss cheese. If he was already getting disability checks, most likely his primary coverage was not under his working wife's plan...it would be more likely to be under a Medicare Advantage plan, with Medicaid Part D supplementation picking up the co-payments of the first plan.
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But his story has more holes in it then swiss cheese. If he was already getting disability checks, most likely his primary coverage was not under his working wife's plan...it would be more likely to be under a Medicare Advantage plan, with Medicaid Part D supplementation picking up the co-payments of the first plan.
A few years ago there were hospitals out there that went on strike because of Medicare and Medicaid not paying enough, I think many doctors stopped accepting it.
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A few years ago there were hospitals out there that went on strike because of Medicare and Medicaid not paying enough, I think many doctors stopped accepting it.
That won't be a problem in Vegas. As many lose health care benefits due to high unemployment, doctors welcome Medicaid paitents with open arms.
But, you are also correct. Nationwide, there has been alot of problems due to reimbursment rates, and the amount of time it takes doctors, nursing homes and pharmacies to collect from the state.
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I took the Fentanyl patches for a while. The doses he is talking about are huge. I quit taking them because they tend to leech out. If you take a hot shower, or are even in the sun too long, you can get hit with a huge dumping of drugs in your blood stream. I didn't find them as effective as Morphine, myself, but some people do. I also think they are way too dangerous. As for his sudden stoppage, I find it hard to believe the doctor knows this. It is extremely dangerous to go "cold turkey" on high doses of pain meds. It can cause you to have a heart attack, stroke, etc. If he told the doctor, they would have helped him to have something to take or use in the meantime. As for doctor-shopping, it is much harder than it used to be, but I still see people pulling it off at my pain specialists office. You can also get some pain drugs via the internet, out of Mexico, but it is illegal, and there are zero guarantees they will actually make it to you. The easiest thing for him to do, is have the doctor switch him over to Methadone, which will take care of his pain, and is actually fairly cheap. He should be able to get sufficient relief for under 30 bucks a month. When he got approved for Disability, he automatically qualified for Medicaid. There are clinics that take Medicaid/Medicare everywhere, including pain clinics. This is yet another one of his pity-party posts, who badly he is treated, la la la. What a depressing human he must be to be around!
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Oh my.
The gigantic primitive continues to keep us informed:
Systematic Chaos (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-21-09 10:17 PM
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8. Well here I am still. Life goes on.
I think the lack of Fentanyl really was turning me into an animal last week. I haven't been anywhere near as upset since I've been back on it, and at least during the day my pain level is back to something I can handle.
What sucks, though, is that when I'm sleeping the only way I can lay in bed is flat on my back, because I can't bend my arm (either arm) in the right position to fold it up under my head and lay on either side. Can't lay on my stomach for the same reason.
So after laying almost perfectly still for several hours I inevitably get up with my arms and neck completely paralyzed from pain. It takes, on the average morning or if I wake up needing to go to the bathroom, about 3-5 minutes to work out enough of the pain from my joints to even get up.
I don't know what to do to stop it, but I'm thinking about some kind of very light heating pad with a built in massage feature to keep everything from locking up.
I got my Medicaid application in the mail and I'm going to be filling it out and sending it off to a local office soon. Hopefully that will work out also, because even with the new COBRA subsidies the bottom line is that a) United Healthcare insurance ****ing sucks and, b) I don't see how we can afford 1/3 of the COBRA payment given how much I still have to pay in co-pays and stuff not covered by UHC. So, we'll see.
On the bright side, I've been getting more movement and exercise in, and I'm committed to maintaining or even increasing the amount I do, as long as I don't end up hurting myself.
Hmmm.
One suspects the gigantic primitive considers a bowel movement "exercise."
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Oh my.
The gigantic primitive continues to keep us informed:
Hmmm.
One suspects the gigantic primitive considers a bowel movement "exercise."
Even if he does 'hurt' himself? Sounds like he's got an excuse at the ready if he even has a little twinge of pain. I hate to tell him, but if he's been overweight for a long time, exercising will hurt. Even when you are in better shape, you can get some minor injuries that require you to take down your intensity, but not stop altogether. Sounds like he's already set himself up to fail at this monumental task from the outset.
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Systematic Chaos
I got my Medicaid application in the mail and I'm going to be filling it out and sending it off to a local office soon. Hopefully that will work out also, because even with the new COBRA subsidies the bottom line is that a) United Healthcare insurance ******* sucks and, b) I don't see how we can afford 1/3 of the COBRA payment given how much I still have to pay in co-pays and stuff not covered by UHC. So, we'll see.
Something tells me he really doesn't understand how this works. For the last 15 years, within COBRA (OBRA '93) is the law that states have to implement "estate recovery."
A person has two estates when he dies, probate and taxable. Medicaid already had the right to place a lein on the probated estate of an individual who receives benefits. It wasn't worth a lot since Medicaid beneficiaries couldn't hold significant assets. A taxable estate is different. If a person had the use of assets, even if he had given them away, they are brought back into the estate for tax purposes at death.
I said that to point out that with Medicaid, they're aren't going to approve him until his own assets reaches a certain poverty level. And then even after that, they're going to recover all they can after his death. Medicaid doesn't mean you get to keep your money and lifestyle (however limitied it may be) while getting the gov't to pay your way, which sounds like what he wants.
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