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Interests => All Things Edible (and how to prepare them) => Topic started by: Mariya1234 on April 16, 2009, 03:22:34 AM
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There have been very few human societies in which no meat or fish are eaten, although in some parts of the world the normal diet is made up largely of staple foods such as rice, with meat and fish being relatively rare additions; this has often been due to poverty rather than choice. The main reason to be a vegetarian is to reduce animal suffering. To suggest that battery farms are in some way 'natural' is absurd - they are unnatural and cruel. The fact that human beings are omnivores (and are rational agents with free will) means that they can choose whether to eat meat, vegetables, or both. Becoming a vegetarian is an environmentally friendly thing to do. There are significant health benefits to 'going veggie'; a vegetarian diet contains high quantities of fibre, vitamins, and minerals, and is low in fat. (A vegan diet is even better since eggs and dairy products are high in cholesterol.) Going vegetarian or vegan means massively reducing the risk of contracting food-borne diseases. Should we stop eating other animals? What are the moral, environmental, and health issues involved?
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Yep...it's a choice, so let's keep this discussion friendly, folks! I'd hate to see a thread from the food board get moved to the fight club!
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Should we stop eating other animals?
HELL no. We are not animals you dolt. We are human beings. Animals were put on this earth for us to use as we see fit.
What are the moral, environmental, and health issues involved?
None. I feel no moral qualms at all when I eat a steak or a pork chop.
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Sure it is a choice.
My Choice.
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I dunno.
Although I'm an enthusiastic backer of the cattlemen--Nebraska after all produces the finest beef in the world--I dine little on their products, probably a consequence of having to eat too much of the stuff when I was a kid.
It is possible to have "too much" sirloins, rib-eyes, T-bones.
When I left home as a teenager, the animal part of the diet abruptly changed, to near-exclusively poultry, egg, and dairy products, which continues today.
Actually, the diet contains very little animal products, even those things (other than 100% whole milk, pasteurized); during the blazing hot summers in the Sandhills of Nebraska, it can be 99% (well, maybe only 95%) fresh vegetables and fruits, and chipped ice.
I dine out rarely, and no matter the place, I always have the same thing, a burned hamburger and french fries cooked on the grill, not in a fryer. This is April 16; thus far this year I've had.....two hamburgers.
The last time I was in a "fast food" place was, probably 1987. It's been a very long time. I have no idea what McDonald's or Burger King is selling these days; and even back then, I never went into Wendy's, having at one time seen an example of their "well-done" hamburgers, saturated in grease and red on the inside. Never spent a dime at Wendy's in my life, not even for a soda.
Seeing how the "appreciation" for "fine dining" proved so catastrophic on other members of my family, I grew up to regard food as merely a fuel, nothing more. There's many other things in this life, in this world, to appreciate.
My intake of animal products--other than 100% pure whole milk, pasteurized--is probably way below the national average, but to me it's no big deal.
What's a big deal to me is the irritating tendency of vegetarians to claim some sort of moral superiority, as if vegetarianism is a "virtue." Being a vegetarian is no more virtuous than having five fingers on one hand, or hair on the top of one's head.
To each his own, whatever works, and nothing more than that.
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Vegetarian = Indian word for lousy hunter. :-)
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How many vegans does it take to change a lightbulb?
Two--one to change it and one to check for animal ingredients.
:-)
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My brother once dated a Vegan. She said she "woulden't eat anything with a face". To which my brother replied, "then cut it off".
I don't eat beef as much as I used to, but I've been doing my part to put chickens on the endangered list.
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Vegetarian = Indian word for lousy hunter. :-)
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
H5!
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I eat meat.....love meat in fact. I eat vegetables.....love them. I eat fruit....lots of it.
I think bananas, lima beans, and liver are all nasty.
Given a choice....I don't eat peanut butter. I think I've only had it maybe 10 times since I was pregnant with my youngest 28 years ago when I craved it. Prior to that...I rarely ate it. I really don't care for pancakes either. But...some kinds I like.
If I see you eating any one of those things...I might tease you...but honestly- I don't care if you eat them.
You may tease me about what I eat...I eat beef rare.. I will eat steak tartare if I can get it!.....but do not tell me what I can or cannot eat.....unless you are my doctor.....or you decide you want to take me on to raise and pay all of my bills.
("you" is generic, non-specific to any particular person)
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My wife likes to eat meat.................................................... :innocent:
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There have been a couple of studies that have shown strict vegan diets are unhealthy for children.
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Is bacon a vegetable??
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Is bacon a vegetable??
Can you hear it squeal when you jam a fork into it ?
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Can you hear it squeal when you jam a fork into it ?
No mine just sizzles
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I have some second cousins whose mother is a vegetarian. She allows them no different diet that her own. They are short for their age - even when compared to growth charts for other family members. They are thin, pale, and tire easily. They do not do well at sports...or at schoolwork. Compared to cousins of a similar age, they are slow, unintelligent, weak and small.
Vegetarian diets may be fine for most adults, but diets high in protein and low in carbohydrates have been proven to be healthier, allow for more muscle and bone growth, and increased mental apptitudes.
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Well I like bacon on my bacon so I'm out :-)
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I strongly encourage Veganism in all it's glory to all the Mama Erf lovin' souls out there who want to live as one with their fellow warm blooded creatures and tread gently apon Ma's surface with their all-synthetic hippy sandels.
God knows I am going to need a lot of field hands to run my Post Apocalyptic plantation and it's not like you ginks are going to be able to do anything to keep yourselves out of the harvest crews.
There's a reason Meat Eaters are on the top of the food chain. :-)
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When's the cut-n-paste OP gonna return with a few more tidbits for us heathens to improve our lives? 3 posts and that's it? :whatever:
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What about ****. Does she like ****?
oh and a bitchslap.
Welcome!
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There's a reason Meat Eaters are on the top of the food chain.
We aren't afraid to kick some ass, and BBQ later. :evillaugh:
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I prefer seafood but I do indulge on meat too. I'm not a big veggie and fruit person although I do have them on occasion. I do love my pasta though.
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I'm going to--for the sake of argument--disagree with something txradioguy said. I usually don't.
Let's take the OP's assumption that we are animals as a given. So we are on the same food chain as lions, tigers, cheetahs, kodiak bears, wolves, and all other carnivores. Why are they allowed to eat other animals but we, who are animals, aren't?
Also, homo sapiens have evolved with incisors, canines, and a system which thrives on animal as well as vegetable energy. We're omnivores.
I'm just a slave to my evolutionary needs. :-)
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To follow up on Splashdown's comments.
We are omnivores for a reason. we NEED both veggies and meat. Being a generalist in diet has helped the species survive.
I generally have no problem with vegans.
I do have a problem with evangelical vegans who want to deny others a diet different than theirs.
What Mrs Smith said is true. Kids NEED meat and carbs. Vegan children suffer from malnutrition. Its abuse to put a child on a vegan diet.