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Current Events => Breaking News => Topic started by: thundley4 on April 12, 2009, 12:52:17 PM
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"American sea Captain Richard Phillips was rescued from four Somali pirates Sunday, a U.S. intelligence official said.
Three pirates were killed and one was in custody after what appeared to be a swift firefight off the Somali coast, the official said.
Phillips, who was not hurt, was safely transported to a Navy warship nearby.
The official was not authorized to discuss the matter publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.
Talks began Thursday with the captain of the USS Bainbridge talking to the pirates under instruction from FBI hostage negotiators on board the U.S. destroyer." Breaking Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,514719,00.html)
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That is awesome! Good news for the captain and his family.
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3 of the 4 pirates are dead. :cheersmate:
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Outstanding...BZ to all involved.
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3 of the 4 pirates are dead. :cheersmate:
3 out of 4, not bad!
I hope they're letting the fourth one swim home. :lmao:
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3 out of 4, not bad!
I hope they're letting the fourth one swim home. :lmao:
The 4th was injured and captured. Ideally he should be tried and hanged , as following the law of the seas regarding pirates.
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3 of the 4 pirates are dead. :cheersmate:
I love a happy ending.
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Praise God! That is wonderful news on this Easter Sunday.
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The 4th was injured and captured. Ideally he should be tried and hanged , as following the law of the seas regarding pirates.
Don't they do keel-hauling anymore? :uhsure:
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So glad to hear about this. Too bad Dick Cheney isn't around to waterboard the pirate left alive.
That captain is a hero.
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The 4th was injured and captured. Ideally he should be tried and hanged , as following the law of the seas regarding pirates.
Justice. Unfortunately the world will scream like babies and Zero will listen. He needs to be brought on trial and at least imprisoned for life.
I fear with Zero this will be a catch and release.
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Seems the Seals took em down
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Good news indeed, barack sure took charge and made things happen... :loser:
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3 of the 4 pirates are dead. :cheersmate:
Message sent :evillaugh:
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Seems the Seals took em down
I'm hearing the Captain made another swim for it, this time the Navy was ready :bravo:
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I'm hearing the Captain made another swim for it, this time the Navy was ready :bravo:
THAT would be awesome. I haven't heard any details about the rescue.
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Should we give Obama some props, over the French. Since he had him rescued without a loss of life for the captives?
Anyone? :uhsure:
Bueller? :-)
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Should we give Obama some props, over the French. Since he had him rescued without a loss of life for the captives?
Anyone? :uhsure:
Bueller? :-)
I'll give huge props to the US Navy. :bow:
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CNN is announcing a press conference is supposed to start any time now.
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Should we give Obama some props, over the French. Since he had him rescued without a loss of life for the captives?
Anyone? :uhsure:
Bueller? :-)
No. O did nothing. He wouldn't even comment about it. Hillary laughed.
Why should he get any credit?
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At a news conference, Reinhart says he talked to Phillips on the phone and also read a quote from Phillips in which the captain said: "John, I'm just the byline. The real heroes are the Navy, the Seals, those who have brought me home."
US MILITARY ROCKS!!!
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Seems the CO. of the USS Bainbridge found his loophole and seized upon it.
And Dumbo has finally made a comment on the situation..........he's happy for the release :thatsright:
And we need International help on this matter :thatsright:
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Seems the CO. of the USS Bainbridge found his loophole and seized upon it.
Apparently what happened is one of the pirates was onboard USS Bainbridge negotating with the FBI. The captain of USS Bainbridge gave orders to the sniper teams onboard to take the shot if they had it, which they did...one pirate was in the wheelhouse of the boat and the other 2 had their head and shoulders exposed at the time of the shot...distance was only 20-30 meters.
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And Dumbo has finally made a comment on the situation..........he's happy for the release :thatsright:
What? How about "I applaud our military's decisive action that affected the rescue of Capt. Phillips." Give credit where credit is due.
BTW, anyone wanna place bets that one or all of the players in said rescue are passed over for promotion?
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I love a happy ending.
Same here. Now, the remaining pirate should be questioned, tortured, hanged, then wrapped in a hog carcass and dumped off at the nearest port with a note attached that reads: "Next!"
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Same here. Now, the remaining pirate should be questioned, tortured, hanged, then wrapped in a hog carcass and dumped off at the nearest port with a note attached that reads: "Next!"
While I wouldn't rule that out, for it's potential effectiveness as a deterrent. Doing so, might not bold well for the 200 or so people currently being held for ransom by the pirates. :(
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Should we give Obama some props, over the French. Since he had him rescued without a loss of life for the captives?
Anyone? :uhsure:
Bueller? :-)
Depends.
One of the pirates was captured. We will soon find out what it looks like when Obama's screwy ideas about constitutional protections for terrorists collides with reality.
I'm not saying it will but this could become a legal fiasco if Obama's philosophy turns the courts into a circus...or a blessing if they realize how whacked it has become and opt to reverse course and re-establish Bush era doctrines.
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May I offer a rather controversial point of view, something that Gratiot has been talking toward?
First, we know that the SEALs brought the hostage out of the situation, with 3 of the 4 pirates now dead. The fourth is in "custody" (whatever that means in The Anointed One's administration).
Second, it seems to me that this thread is being highly critical of Uncle Zero (for good reason), but according to Reuters, this is how the thing played out:
A U.S. Navy commander made a split-second decision to fire on the pirates because he believed that Phillips, who tried to escape on Friday, faced imminent danger amid tense hostage talks with his captors and deteriorating sea conditions.
"They were pointing the AK-47s at the captain," Vice Admiral William Gortney, head of the U.S. Naval Central Command, said in a Pentagon briefing from Bahrain.
"The on-scene commander took it as the captain was in imminent danger and then made that decision (to kill the pirates) and he had the authorities to make that decision and he had seconds to make that decision."
President Barack Obama granted the Pentagon's request for standing authority to use appropriate force to save the life of the captain, Gortney said.
Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE53A1LP20090412)
Seems to me that this thing went down exactly like it should've - the hostage was rescued and most of the bad guys are dead. One left over for intel - however that plays out, we'll never know (unless Uncle Zero's admnistration leaks the info, which is always more than likely).
Bottom line - apart from the fact that it took Uncle Zero five freakin' days to make a comment on this situation, the end result is what matters.
Based on Reuters' report, His Holiness took himself out of the equation long enough to allow the commander on the scene to make a call - and that's exactly what happened.
WTF is wrong with that?
Let the bitch slaps commence....
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Obama twice approved force to rescue hostage
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama twice authorized the military to rescue a U.S. captain who was being held by Somali pirates and whose life appeared to be at risk, administration officials said after Sunday's rescue.
The Defense Department twice asked Obama for permission to use military force to rescue Capt. Richard Phillips from a lifeboat off the Somali coast. Obama first gave permission around 8 p.m. Friday, and upgraded it at 9:20 a.m. Saturday. Officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations said the second order was to encompass more military personnel and equipment that arrived in the Indian Ocean to engage the pirates.
Somali pirates last week boarded the Maersk Alabama off the Horn of Africa. The crew fought back, but Phillips surrendered himself to safeguard his men. Navy ships soon were on their way to the area.
White House officials on Sunday said Obama received regular updates by phone and in person at the White House — including 11 memos — and during his daily intelligence briefings with senior officials. The National Security Council last updated the president on a contingency plan for Phillips at 6:30 p.m. Saturday, according to a timeline of events released Sunday afternoon by the White House.
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http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iqznz3bUMKIUbrDYAUHHuMQ4vyJAD97H6E300
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Obama twice approved force to rescue hostage
A no-brainer.
The hostage precipitated events by making a second escape attempt and the captain of the USS Bainbridge gave the order to shoot.
Obama got lucky this time but anybody who naive enough to think Obama has a clue about how to run a genuine military effort is deluded enough to...vote for Obama.
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The Defense Department twice asked Obama for permission to use military force to rescue Capt. Richard Phillips from a lifeboat off the Somali coast. Obama first gave permission around 8 p.m. Friday, and upgraded it at 9:20 a.m. Saturday.
Does anyone else think that this permission should have been given without being asked for? Simply put, once our forces were on station, 0bama should have given the order to take whatever actions believed necessary to effect a rescue.
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Does anyone else think that this permission should have been given without being asked for? Simply put, once our forces were on station, 0bama should have given the order to take whatever actions believed necessary to effect a rescue.
In other words: the so-called CinC was a passive observer being carried along by the actions of others with less authority but more competence.
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A no-brainer.
The hostage precipitated events by making a second escape attempt and the captain of the USS Bainbridge gave the order to shoot.
Obama got lucky this time but anybody who naive enough to think Obama has a clue about how to run a genuine military effort is deluded enough to...vote for Obama.
Sorry, but I don't see how Obama was directly involved in ANY military effort. He simply was briefed, authorized resources, and most tellingly, saw to it that the commander on the scene had the final call.
Nothing wrong with that in my book. And I don't see any "luck" involved in this at all, vis a vis Obama.
I will submit, however, that much of the play-by-play with respect to the decision that Obama reportedly made, the NSC, the memos, and all of that, isn't clear.
It seems to me that in this case, Obama did what he was supposed to and not much more.
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In other words: the so-called CinC was a passive observer being carried along by the actions of others with less authority but more competence.
If I'm completely out of my element, say in dishwasher repair for example, I'm going to listen carefully to the repair guy when he tells me what he thinks needs to be done.
Obama is NOT a military expert and doesn't represent himself that way. "Being carried along by the actions of others" isn't entirely a bad thing.
That way, I don't blow up my dishwasher and have water all over the floor and running into my basement.
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Does anyone else think that this permission should have been given without being asked for? Simply put, once our forces were on station, 0bama should have given the order to take whatever actions believed necessary to effect a rescue.
He won't do much without some kind of request from DoD, recommendations from the NSC, and even a word or two from Rahm, his handler.
Why? Because he knows nothing about military ops, the options, and even the desired end result in this case, apart from safe return of the ship's captain.
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While I wouldn't rule that out, for it's potential effectiveness as a deterrent. Doing so, might not bold well for the 200 or so people currently being held for ransom by the pirates. :(
Perhaps not, but if the sailors currently held hostage are harmed, declare open season on any and all residents of any pirate port....
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If I'm completely out of my element, say in dishwasher repair for example, I'm going to listen carefully to the repair guy when he tells me what he thinks needs to be done.
Obama is NOT a military expert and doesn't represent himself that way. "Being carried along by the actions of others" isn't entirely a bad thing.
That way, I don't blow up my dishwasher and have water all over the floor and running into my basement.
Yes, but at least you have an appreciation for clean dishes.
Has anything in Obama's political career led you to believe that he is sympathetic to or appreciative of the military art or the proper role for the projection of force?
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If I'm completely out of my element, say in dishwasher repair for example, I'm going to listen carefully to the repair guy when he tells me what he thinks needs to be done.
Obama is NOT a military expert and doesn't represent himself that way. "Being carried along by the actions of others" isn't entirely a bad thing.
That way, I don't blow up my dishwasher and have water all over the floor and running into my basement.
To carry your Maytag Repariman analogy a little further. He comes to your house, he tells you what the problem is, do you both just sit there until he asks you to let him fix it, or do you tell him to fix it once he has told you what is wrong with it? 0Bama knew the situation, but waited until he was asked for permission, before granting permission to use force.
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Obama twice approved force to rescue hostage
Something that should have been done and stated by the POTUS himself within two hours of news that the ship had been attacked.
It's not something that should have come out FIVE DAYS later.
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Yes, but at least you have an appreciation for clean dishes.
Has anything in Obama's political career led you to believe that he is sympathetic to or appreciative of the military art or the proper role for the projection of force?
Absolutely not. But that doesn't stop him from playing out of the President's playbook - which is exactly what I think he did.
Obama didn't lead, necessarily. He certainly appeared weak and fumbling early on - perhaps even now. But without us knowing all the ins-and-outs, he made "appropriate" decisions that I would have expected him to make as president.
Obama is a political animal (as all presidents are to one level or another) and will do the "right thing" that best supports his political agenda. Despite the rhetoric of support, you'd better believe that Zero was well in-tune with the negativity that surrounded his silence on the matter.
Nope, I see this as simply Obama playing out of the President's playbook - nothing more, nothing less.
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Nope, I see this as simply Obama playing out of the President's playbook - nothing more, nothing less.
I concur.
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To carry your Maytag Repariman analogy a little further. He comes to your house, he tells you what the problem is, do you both just sit there until he asks you to let him fix it, or do you tell him to fix it once he has told you what is wrong with it? 0Bama knew the situation, but waited until he was asked for permission, before granting permission to use force.
With all things military, 0Bama is (and should be) passive.
Waiting for a request from DoD gives Zero the political one-upsmanship that he desperately needs - he's "granting" resources and "authorizing" operations, but he doesn't have a ****ing clue about what those things are.
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With all things military, 0Bama is (and should be) passive.
Waiting for a request from DoD gives Zero the political one-upsmanship that he desperately needs - he's "granting" resources and "authorizing" operations, but he doesn't have a ****ing clue about what those things are.
Also, by waiting for the DoD to make the request, he gets some political cover if things had ended poorly. He's a weasel.
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Obama is a political animal (as all presidents are to one level or another) and will do the "right thing" that best supports his political agenda. Despite the rhetoric of support, you'd better believe that Zero was well in-tune with the negativity that surrounded his silence on the matter.
My political disputes with Bush--and ESPECIALLY McCain--were legion, but never once did they give me cause to believe they would ever make a military decision based on political expediency. They both held their ground even when the polls were resoundingly against them.
Nonetheless, I understand and am sympatheic to your comments.
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Also, by waiting for the DoD to make the request, he gets some political cover if things had ended poorly. He's a weasel.
Agreed.
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My political disputes with Bush--and ESPECIALLY McCain--were legion, but never once did they give me cause to believe they would ever make a military decision based on political expediency. They both held their ground even when the polls were resoundingly against them.
Nonetheless, I understand and am sympatheic to your comments.
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Thank you - good to have a clear debate on the matter.
And I also agree with your assessment on Bush and McCain. Part of that agreement lies with the knowledge that both Bush and McCain wore the uniform - The Anointed One, of course, never did.
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Also, by waiting for the DoD to make the request, he gets some political cover if things had ended poorly. He's a weasel.
IMHO it also was him trying to say "I'm running this not you" to the DoD. Cause I'd be willing to bet that the military went to the POTUS within hours with a plan to retake the ship wanting permission to strike.
By waiting as long as he did...it was his way of putting the Pentagon "in it's place".
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Navy Snipers Kill 3 Pirates During Captain Rescue (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,514775,00.html)
MOMBASA, Kenya — Navy snipers on the fantail of a destroyer cut down three Somali pirates in a lifeboat and rescued an American sea captain in a surprise nighttime assault in choppy seas Easter Sunday, ending a five-day standoff between a team of rogue gunmen and the world's most powerful military.
One of the pirates pointed an AK-47 at the back of Phillips, who was tied up and in "imminent danger" of being killed when the commander of the nearby USS Bainbridge made the split-second decision to order his men to shoot, Vice Adm. Bill Gortney said. The lifeboat was being towed by the Bainbridge at the time, he said.
Phillips was not hurt in several minutes of gunfire and the U.S. Navy's 5th Fleet said he was resting comfortably on a U.S. warship after receiving a medical exam.
A fourth pirate was in discussions with naval authorities about Phillips' fate when the rescue took place. He is in U.S. custody and could face could face life in a U.S. prison.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,514775,00.html
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IMHO it also was him trying to say "I'm running this not you" to the DoD. Cause I'd be willing to bet that the military went to the POTUS within hours with a plan to retake the ship wanting permission to strike.
By waiting as long as he did...it was his way of putting the Pentagon "in it's place".
I can see this point as well. His arrogance knows no bounds.
I have to say, however, that Gates has publicly bowed to his Master 0Bama prior to this event, something that surprised me. I would've thought that Gates might've been at least a little more resistant to the Gitmo issue, for example.
Gates' public bowing to The Anointed One may not have been enough to a power-mad, insecure little turd like 0Bama.
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Navy Snipers Kill 3 Pirates During Captain Rescue (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,514775,00.html) :cheersmate:
These bully tactics against people suffering from the after-effects of colonialism is just making more people hate the US.[/DUmmie]
From the same article:
Abdullahi Lami, one of the pirates holding the Greek ship anchored in the Somali town of Gaan, said: "Every country will be treated the way it treats us. In the future, America will be the one mourning and crying," he told The Associated Press. "We will retaliate (for) the killings of our men."
Jamac Habeb, a 30-year-old self-proclaimed pirate, told the AP from one of Somalia's piracy hubs, Eyl, that: "From now on, if we capture foreign ships and their respective countries try to attack us, we will kill them (the hostages)."
"Now they became our number one enemy," Habeb said of U.S. forces.
Maybe I'm just a silly rabbit but aren't those names muslim?
Killing muslims in the name of American commercialism and corporate interests? tsk-tsk
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Yeah, those names are probably Muslim.
But this is standard Muzzie rhetoric, is it not?
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These bully tactics against people suffering from the after-effects of colonialism is just making more people hate the US.[/DUmmie]
From the same article:
Maybe I'm just a silly rabbit but aren't those names muslim?
Killing muslims in the name of American commercialism and corporate interests? tsk-tsk
Go ahead, let them start killing hostages. Then maybe the ransom won't be paid and every country will start to do what the French did first. If it's a given that hostages will be killed, then there goes most of the leverage that the pirates have.
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Great news!
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Hi,
Having read this thread totally I would like to offer the following.
Fox news reports that the guy who was captured was a young pirate who supposedly went aboard the navy vessel to help the negotiations. It became apparent to the navy the young man basically was surrendering and no way was he going back to the other boat.
Second, following is an excerpt from the Fox News website:
......"But sometime soon after the boats were hooked together, shots were fired from the lifeboat and the pirates were seen holding a gun to Captain Phillips back. Acting on a standing order from President Obama to move in when Phillips was in "imminent danger" snipers were ordered to fire......."
Now I am sure the mainstream press will make BO a hero for the way he handled it. To me the order itself is terrible. If all three pirates were in the clear for snipers, and the hostage was not in danger the snipers could not do their job because of the order. When waiting until the hostage is in danger, they in effect put his life in danger because of the order.....
Doubt seriously if anyone will take him to task because this is not what the mainstream media does. Reactive instead of pro active if you ask me. We have another Mr. Wimp in the oval office.
regards,
5412
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Hi,
Having read this thread totally I would like to offer the following.
Fox news reports that the guy who was captured was a young pirate who supposedly went aboard the navy vessel to help the negotiations. It became apparent to the navy the young man basically was surrendering and no way was he going back to the other boat.
Second, following is an excerpt from the Fox News website:
......"But sometime soon after the boats were hooked together, shots were fired from the lifeboat and the pirates were seen holding a gun to Captain Phillips back. Acting on a standing order from President Obama to move in when Phillips was in "imminent danger" snipers were ordered to fire......."
Now I am sure the mainstream press will make BO a hero for the way he handled it. To me the order itself is terrible. If all three pirates were in the clear for snipers, and the hostage was not in danger the snipers could not do their job because of the order. When waiting until the hostage is in danger, they in effect put his life in danger because of the order.....
Doubt seriously if anyone will take him to task because this is not what the mainstream media does. Reactive instead of pro active if you ask me. We have another Mr. Wimp in the oval office.
regards,
5412
I too think the order should have been something like: "If you can take out the terrorists and save the hostage, then do it. "
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Now I am sure the mainstream press will make BO a hero for the way he handled it. To me the order itself is terrible. If all three pirates were in the clear for snipers, and the hostage was not in danger the snipers could not do their job because of the order. When waiting until the hostage is in danger, they in effect put his life in danger because of the order.....
Doubt seriously if anyone will take him to task because this is not what the mainstream media does. Reactive instead of pro active if you ask me. We have another Mr. Wimp in the oval office.
regards,
5412
I'm going to go out on a limb here (risking the ire of my fellow conservatives no less) and say that while I'm confident the SEAL snipers train unceasingly for such things, that making a shot against targets on a small bobbing boat could in and of itself put the hostage in jeopardy. With Cpt. Phillips in the water the incidence of friendly fire--coupled with the urgency to save his life--made the moment taken the right moment.
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Hi,
I believe the Captain jumped into the water after he heard the sniper fire.
As a target shooter I can tell you a couple things. While the boat was bobbing, those snipers are terrific. I have a military rifle with a good scope and have put five rounds inside of 1/4" at 100 yards. The proximity of the boat, tethered to the ship, likely they were less than 50 yards apart. I have seen snipers shred the center inch of a target at 300+ yards so for them it was a pretty easy shot.
Fifty yards for these folks is like child's play, and with their equipment and scopes they likely could see the individual hairs on the pirates eyebrows. My best scope is 40 power and I can read the small print on the target at 100 yards with eyes that are nearly 70 years old and wear bifocals.
My suspicion was the captain let out just enough line so the small boat would bob rythmically with the stern of the ship so the movement would be predictible for the snipers.
They live for this type of thing. It should have been proactive, long before an AR is pointed at the back of the hostage.
regards,
5412
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I wholly understand but being capable and taking a debatably unnecessary risk are two different matters. The French took chances and lost 1 hostage when no other option was present; we only had 1 hostage to lose and nobody wants to risk that on a stray tossing of the waves or other completely unforeseeable variable.
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I wholly understand but being capable and taking a debatably unnecessary risk are two different matters. The French took chances and lost 1 hostage when no other option was present; we only had 1 hostage to lose and nobody wants to risk that on a stray tossing of the waves or other completely unforeseeable variable.
Several reports have stated that the snipers only fired when a gun was pointed at the hostage, not that he was in the water. I think the decision may have been that there was a chance of friendly fire, but that it was better than letting the pirate take a shot.
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Several reports have stated that the snipers only fired when a gun was pointed at the hostage, not that he was in the water. I think the decision may have been that there was a chance of friendly fire, but that it was better than letting the pirate take a shot.
Hi thundley,
I think the issue here goes beyond the hostage. The key to this situation is to strike swiftly and violently enough to make sure that no pirates dare attack another American vessel in the future. You have to be proactive, not reactive in that situation.
While it is hard to fathom, hostages have no value, nor can they have value. As a matter of policy the US will not pay ransom for a hostage and every member of the US diplomatic corps knows that and it is a risk associated with the job. I am not trying to be insensitive to the hostage and would want to do everything to pull off the operation and save his life.
What, in my opinion should have happened is this. It should have been left up to the military, not the president. They were accountable to pull off the operation. If they felt they could get it done, then they should have been allowed to do so. Most folks in the military I know would be super conservative in their estimates, they want to succeed and do not want to fail.
How much differently would folks have felt if the trigger was pulled and the hostage shot in the back just before the snipers fired?
regards,
5412
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Go Navy! :salutenavy:
What a great EASTER gift courtesy of the US Military. God Bless our servicemen and women. :bow2:
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5412:
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As a matter of policy the US will not pay ransom for a hostage...snip...
I've stated my thoughts on the "sister" thread to this one on the same issue, so I won't go into that here.
Regarding 5412's comment, we don't know what The Messiah's new policy is going to be in the long haul. He may decidedly change the longstanding policy of many presidents before him and opt for "negotiation", ransom payment, or other sort of appeasement with terrorists, pirates, or serial rapists.
It wouldn't surprise me in the least for him to go that route. But then again, my sensibilities have been violated to the point where NOTHING surprises me about His Holiness anymore.
One outrage after another. :whatever:
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5412:
I've stated my thoughts on the "sister" thread to this one on the same issue, so I won't go into that here.
Regarding 5412's comment, we don't know what The Messiah's new policy is going to be in the long haul. He may decidedly change the longstanding policy of many presidents before him and opt for "negotiation", ransom payment, or other sort of appeasement with terrorists, pirates, or serial rapists.
It wouldn't surprise me in the least for him to go that route. But then again, my sensibilities have been violated to the point where NOTHING surprises me about His Holiness anymore.
One outrage after another. :whatever:
Hi,
Here is what the negotiations should have been. If you release the hostage unharmed now, we will give you a five minute head start before we kill you. If you do not, you will later wish you had accepted the offer.
End of negotiations,
5412
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What raises a lot of questions is the FACT the the DOD had to ask permission in the first place, then there is the matter that they had to ask permission a second time. What that hell is that all about?
In this day 'n age where you have a matter of minutes to respond to an imminent attack, we cannot afford to be as INDECISIVE as "the messiah" has been. I mean, really it took him "5 days" to get around to authorizing the DOD to use force????????
I'm have absolutely no doubt that the skipper, and several others, will find their careers going down the toilet in the not too distant future because they had the AUDACITY to UPSTAGE "the messiah" by not asking PERMISSION before giving the order to fire. The positive PR is on the U.S. Navy and the SEALS.
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What raises a lot of questions is the FACT the the DOD had to ask permission in the first place, then there is the matter that they had to ask permission a second time. What that hell is that all about?
In this day 'n age where you have a matter of minutes to respond to an imminent attack, we cannot afford to be as INDECISIVE as "the messiah" has been. I mean, really it took him "5 days" to get around to authorizing the DOD to use force????????
I'm have absolutely no doubt that the skipper, and several others, will find their careers going down the toilet in the not too distant future because they had the AUDACITY to UPSTAGE "the messiah" by not asking PERMISSION before giving the order to fire. The positive PR is on the U.S. Navy and the SEALS.
Didn't some similar events also happen under Clinton? IIRC, wasn't bin Laden lost because Clinton couldn't/wouldn't decide to take custody when we had the chance?
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Didn't some similar events also happen under Clinton? IIRC, wasn't bin Laden lost because Clinton couldn't/wouldn't decide to take custody when we had the chance?
Good Morning,
In the book "Dereliction of Duty", the situation you refer to is spelled out clearly by the Air Force Colonel who was at Clinton's side carrying the nuclear codes.
Clinton had authorized an operation to take out Bin Laden. They found him and had a thirty minute window to take him out. Clinton was at a golf tournament and they said they had him in their gun sights, the planes were on the runway waiting to take off. All Clinton had to do was say "go ahead with the mission". He told them he was too busy enjoying the tournament. The courier went back to the CIA guy in the SUV and he said that was not acceptable as they would lose him again and they went back to Clinton a second time and he refused to give the order. When the tournament was over, Bin Laden had vanished once again.
I personally asked General Schwartzkof about this incident when I met him in Tampa and he told me that he knows the guy who wrote the book very well and everything in that book was totally factual.
regards,
5412
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Didn't some similar events also happen under Clinton? IIRC, wasn't bin Laden lost because Clinton couldn't/wouldn't decide to take custody when we had the chance?
Yes the Sudan was ready to hand him over...Clinton claimed he (bin Laden) hadn't done anything directly to the U.S. and declined to take him into custody because he didn't think we could hold him.
Never mind the fact that OBL and one of the pilots on 9/11 were helping Aideed in Somalia during the Blackhawk Down incident.
And we all know what happened after that. A classic example of what happens when you treat terrorists like common street criminals.
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Yes the Sudan was ready to hand him over...Clinton claimed he (bin Laden) hadn't done anything directly to the U.S. and declined to take him into custody because he didn't think we could hold him.
Never mind the fact that OBL and one of the pilots on 9/11 were helping Aideed in Somalia during the Blackhawk Down incident.
And we all know what happened after that. A classic example of what happens when you treat terrorists like common street criminals.
Yep, the Sudanese government offered not once, not twice, but offered THREE times to hand over bin-laden.
The first two offers had the string attached to remove Sudan from the state department's list of nations whom support terrorists. The third and final offer had ZERO strings attached
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FNC reporting that three of the pirates were shot simultaneously by Navy snipers. One of the pirates actually asked to come over to the Bainbridge to make a phone call. The idiot was standing on the fantail drinking water...talking on the phone and waiving at his buddies when the takedown occurred.
Listening to the details now...these pirates were idiots...which makes how long it took for this to happen even more frustrating.
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FNC reporting that three of the pirates were shot simultaneously by Navy snipers. One of the pirates actually asked to come over to the Bainbridge to make a phone call. The idiot was standing on the fantail drinking water...talking on the phone and waiving at his buddies when the takedown occurred....
So much the better. It's not uncommon to try and get terrorists seperated but feeling secure at the go moment.
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So much the better. It's not uncommon to try and get terrorists seperated but feeling secure at the go moment.
What's scary is that someone on that damn ship seems to read DU. The Navy convinced the pirates that the lifeboat was drifting towards a part of the coastline where other pirates were waiting to kill them and that if they could attach a rope to their boat the Bainbridge could tow them away from the danger.
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What's scary is that someone on that damn ship seems to read DU. The Navy convinced the pirates that the lifeboat was drifting towards a part of the coastline where other pirates were waiting to kill them and that if they could attach a rope to their boat the Bainbridge could tow them away from the danger.
More importantly, the pirate must have been DU members, if the "allowed" the rope to be attached.
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Washington Post
April 13, 2009
Pg. 9
How SEALs Carried Out Their Mission
By Ann Scott Tyson, Washington Post Staff Writer
The operation to rescue Capt. Richard Phillips involved dozens of Navy SEALs, who parachuted from an aircraft into the scene near dark Saturday, landing in the ocean. The SEALs were part of a group of Special Operations forces involved in the effort, according to military officials.
The SEALs set up operations on the USS Bainbridge, which had been communicating with the four pirates via radio and had used smaller boats to make deliveries of food and water to their lifeboat. Yet the pirates were growing increasingly agitated, the officials said. At one point Saturday, the pirates opened fire on one of the smaller U.S. Navy craft that approached.
As the seas grew rougher, the Bainbridge offered to tow the lifeboat to calmer waters, and the pirates agreed, linking up the lifeboat to the destroyer with a towing cable that left 75 to 80 feet between the two vessels. Phillips at the time was tied up in the lifeboat, having been bound -- and occasionally beaten -- by the pirates ever since he had attempted to escape by jumping into the water on Friday, the officials said.
Meanwhile, one of the pirates, estimated to be between 16 and 20 years old, asked to come aboard the Bainbridge to make a phone call. He had been stabbed in the hand during an altercation with the crew of the Maersk Alabama and needed medical care. "He effectively gave himself up," a senior military official said. The Navy then allowed that pirate to speak with the others in hopes that he could persuade them to give up.
The three other pirates, however, showed signs of growing irritation, as the Bainbridge, 18 miles from shore, towed the lifeboat further out to sea, the senior military official said. "They had no promise of money, clearly no passage. The one ticket they had was the captain," said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the matter on the record.
"In the last discussion, they said, 'If we don't get what we want, we will kill the captain,' " the official said.
Soon afterward, two pirates moved to one of the hatches of the lifeboat and stuck their heads out. The third pirate advanced toward the captain and pointed his AK-47 straight at Phillips's back, the rifle touching it or inches away, the official said.
U.S. military observers thought that Phillips was about to be shot. SEAL snipers, who were positioned on a deck at the stern of the Bainbridge, an area known as the fantail, had the three pirates in their sights. The on-scene commander gave the snipers authority to fire.
"As soon as the snipers had a clear shot at the guy who had the rifle, they shot him and the other two in the hatches," the senior military official said.
A member of the Special Operations team slid down the tow line into the water and climbed aboard the lifeboat. Phillips was then put in a small craft and taken to the Bainbridge.
hmmmmm...
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There are reports that the captured terrorist is only 16 years old. How long before the libs start screaming that it wasn't his fault, that he was corrupted by the older ones? They haven't even decided where if to put this terrorist on trial. I say let him be tried by a military tribunal, since this was on the high seas, so to speak.
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Two questions:
1. Has Oooobama taken credit for the rescue yet?
2. Will he declare this a national holiday to commemorate his historic action in saving the planet?
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Two questions:
1. Has Oooobama taken credit for the rescue yet?
2. Will he declare this a national holiday to commemorate his historic action in saving the planet?
He's not that crass.
He strikes me more as someone carried along by events and whose biggest contribution is to minimize his own exposure in matters where his traditional reflex has been disparagement and second-guessing.
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"the messiah" was way behind the power curve on this the second the Naval officer issued the open fire command. Haven't been watching any news this morning, but I'm sure the white house moron Gibbs stammered and stuttered through the briefing, not to mention the INTELLIGENT questions being asked of him by the media. I know calling the question being asked by the media is pushing the enveloped, but considering what a DUFFUS Gibbs is, there are some intelligent questions being asked.
His career and days in the Navy are definitely numbered because he forgot that he had to ask - pretty please mr president, can we shoot the bad guys, please, please, please!
I'm sure the speechwriters are already busy preparing the TELEPROMPTER for an obama presser. The obama white house will pull their standard of handing out a list of question the media can ask with each question having a number or letter assigned and obama being provided, on the teleprompter, the name of the person who was assigned # 1, # 2, etc. so he doesn't thank himself again.
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What raises a lot of questions is the FACT the the DOD had to ask permission in the first place, then there is the matter that they had to ask permission a second time. What that hell is that all about?
It was reported that DoD did ask twice for authorization.
But we don't know the exact options associated with each authorization. I'd be willing to bet my next paycheck, however, that more resources (i.e., SEALs) became available on-site and that comprised the second request.
Bottom line is, we won't ever know the exact details associated with this operation (unless it's leaked out of the WH itself, which is always an option). Speculating as to why this and why that doesn't really answer the questions.
Painting the picture that Uncle Zero sent the DoD boys back to the drawing board because their plan wasn't acceptable or that Uncle Zero himself sat on the plan doing nothing can't be confirmed. Let's just stick with what we know, okay?
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He's not that crass.
He strikes me more as someone carried along by events and whose biggest contribution is to minimize his own exposure in matters where his traditional reflex has been disparagement and second-guessing.
Bingo.
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"the messiah" was way behind the power curve on this the second the Naval officer issued the open fire command. Haven't been watching any news this morning, but I'm sure the white house moron Gibbs stammered and stuttered through the briefing, not to mention the INTELLIGENT questions being asked of him by the media. I know calling the question being asked by the media is pushing the enveloped, but considering what a DUFFUS Gibbs is, there are some intelligent questions being asked.
His career and days in the Navy are definitely numbered because he forgot that he had to ask - pretty please mr president, can we shoot the bad guys, please, please, please!
I'm sure the speechwriters are already busy preparing the TELEPROMPTER for an obama presser. The obama white house will pull their standard of handing out a list of question the media can ask with each question having a number or letter assigned and obama being provided, on the teleprompter, the name of the person who was assigned # 1, # 2, etc. so he doesn't thank himself again.
:whatever:
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While I can see a "need" to take a jab at Oblahma, quite honestly............who cares? Our guys got the mission right because we waited for the right moment.
H5's to all of them!
Now, on to a slightly different observation, namely the two shitwads (reportards) from NPR. Did anyone noticed the "loaded" questions they were asking the, and excuse my not knowing, "leader"/commander (I think) of the Seals that was being interr...questioned?
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Now, on to a slightly different observation, namely the two shitwads (reportards) from NPR. Did anyone noticed the "loaded" questions they were asking the, and excuse my not knowing, "leader"/commander (I think) of the Seals that was being interr...questioned?
Assume we weren't privy.
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It was reported that DoD did ask twice for authorization.
But we don't know the exact options associated with each authorization. I'd be willing to bet my next paycheck, however, that more resources (i.e., SEALs) became available on-site and that comprised the second request.
Bottom line is, we won't ever know the exact details associated with this operation (unless it's leaked out of the WH itself, which is always an option). Speculating as to why this and why that doesn't really answer the questions.
Painting the picture that Uncle Zero sent the DoD boys back to the drawing board because their plan wasn't acceptable or that Uncle Zero himself sat on the plan doing nothing can't be confirmed. Let's just stick with what we know, okay?
Knowing what we know- doesn't sound like the end-state matched any plans anyone may or maynot have been working on. The pirates opened themselves up and the snipers took action. The commander on teh ground gave authroization, as is fitting. If the plan was 'Wait until the pirates **** up" was the plan, then someone needs to be booted in the balls.
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While I can see a "need" to take a jab at Oblahma, quite honestly............who cares? Our guys got the mission right because we waited for the right moment.
H5's to all of them!
Now, on to a slightly different observation, namely the two shitwads (reportards) from NPR. Did anyone noticed the "loaded" questions they were asking the, and excuse my not knowing, "leader"/commander (I think) of the Seals that was being interr...questioned?
what were the questions?
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If this journey in the Wayback Machine to 10 Sep 2001 doesn't make you want to punch a hippy nothing will:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_L6pDyjqqsvY/SeM36V2_vlI/AAAAAAAAbFo/dMGM7r_fqTs/s1600-h/kos+grand+stander.JPG
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Knowing what we know- doesn't sound like the end-state matched any plans anyone may or maynot have been working on. The pirates opened themselves up and the snipers took action. The commander on teh ground gave authroization, as is fitting. If the plan was 'Wait until the pirates **** up" was the plan, then someone needs to be booted in the balls.
Agreed - and the key point, again as reported, is that The Zero granted the on-site commander to make a call. That's likely a "normal" option granted by any high-level executive such as the prez (except certain notables, such as LBJ and Jimmah C., both Dems who also wore the uniform at one point in their miserable ****ing lives), but since Obama has absolutely no idea about authorizing much of anything beyond strengthening his own power and taking money from those who've earned it, he went with the flow on this one.
You can't **** up what you don't know.
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If this journey in the Wayback Machine to 10 Sep 2001 doesn't make you want to punch a hippy nothing will:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_L6pDyjqqsvY/SeM36V2_vlI/AAAAAAAAbFo/dMGM7r_fqTs/s1600-h/kos+grand+stander.JPG
DAMN! JUST DAMN! Who is the POS that wrote this tripe?
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DAMN! JUST DAMN! Who is the POS that wrote this tripe?
Don't know, but I had to laugh that they brought up barratry. These people don't know shit about admiralty law, so they should keep their mouths shut... Dumbasses. :loser:
In maritime law, barratry is the commission of an act by the master or mariners of a vessel for an unlawful or fraudulent purpose that is contrary to the duty owed to the owners, by which act the owners sustain injury.
A form of barratry is misconduct of the master of a ship in taking commodities on board that subject the ship to seizure for Smuggling. It is essential in barratry that a criminal act or intent exist on the part of the master or mariners which inures to their own benefit and causes injury to the owners of the ship.
West's Encyclopedia of American Law, edition 2. Copyright 2008 The Gale Group, Inc. All rights reserved.
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DAMN! JUST DAMN! Who is the POS that wrote this tripe?
Uses the screen name of KLS = Krazy Liberal Scum.
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Uses the screen name of KLS = Krazy Liberal Scum.
Yep! I'd have to go along with ya on that one.
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He's not that crass.
Oh but he is.
He talked to the ships captain at 4pm local on Sunday and by 4:11 AP and the other wire services were sending out their story about how he handled the hostage crisis.
He and his spin meisters are tyring to take full credit when all they did was sign two pieces of paper authorizing the military to do what they already had authorization to do.
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what were the questions?
I cant remember off hand. I just noticed that they bordered on "blame America". The two reporters were from NPR, male and female. Even my father noticed and he's pretty middle of the road. I wasen't really paying attention because of the non-stop coverage of the rescue and the suspect in the local area being arrested for the murder of the little girl. It was on the news (local NBC) and was a "briefing" for the press. This would have been Sunday(?) afternoon.