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Current Events => Breaking News => Topic started by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on April 05, 2009, 04:35:01 PM
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Richard Andrew Poplawski was a young man convinced the nation was secretly controlled by a cabal that would eradicate freedom of speech, take away his guns and use the military to enslave the citizenry.
His online profile suggests someone at once lonely and seething. He wrote of burning the backs of both of his hands, the first time with a cigarette, the second time for symmetry. He subscribed to conspiracy theories and, by January 2007, was posting photographs of his tattoos on white supremacist Web site Stormfront. Among his ambitions: “to accumulate enough ‘I punched that [expletive] so hard’ stories to match my old man.â€
“Crazy to me is going through the motions,†he wrote on his MySpace profile three years ago. “Crazy to me is letting each day slip past you. Crazy is being insignificant. Crazy is being obscure, pointless.â€
No longer obscure, the 22-year-old is charged in the worst police shooting in the modern history of Pittsburgh. No one is calling his actions anything but pointless.
“He was really into politics and really into the First and Second amendment. One thing he feared was he feared the gun ban because he thought that was going to take away peoples’ right to defend themselves. He never spoke of going out to murder or to kill,†said Edward Perkovic, who described himself as Mr. Poplawski’s lifelong best friend.
Mr. Poplawski’s view of guns and personal freedom took a turn toward the fringes of American politics. With Mr. Perkovic, he appeared to share a belief that the government was controlled from unseen forces, that troops were being shipped home from the Mideast to police the citizenry here, and that Jews secretly ran the country.
Believing most media were covering up important events, Mr. Poplawski turned to a far-right conspiracy Web site run by Alex Jones, a self-described documentarian with roots going back to the extremist militia movement of the early 1990s.
Around the same time, he joined Florida-based Stormfront, which has long been a clearinghouse Web site for far-right groups. He posted photographs of his tattoo, an eagle spread across his chest.
“I was considering gettin’ life runes on the outside of my calfs,†he wrote. Life runes are a common symbol among white supremacists, notably followers of The National Alliance, a neo-Nazi group linked to an array of violent organizations.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09095/960750-53.stm
Apart from being pro-RKBA this idiot is indistinguishable from your averge DU'er.
No word yet as to whether Ron Paul will be cancelling future appearances with Jones or demand Jones cease using his Paul's looney conspiracies to bolster his own looney conspiracies.
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“Crazy to me is going through the motions,†he wrote on his MySpace profile three years ago. “Crazy to me is letting each day slip past you. Crazy is being insignificant. Crazy is being obscure, pointless.â€
Sounds very much like the product of liberal education in this country.
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Alex Jones is a 9/11 Truther. Those 9/11 Truthers are sick. I am not surprised if they are capable of violence.
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To liberals, conservative = Nazi.
And isn't Alex Jones the lunatic who accosted Michelle Malkin and tried to incite a riot against her? Oh, hell yeah, he is.
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The blogsite Jammie Wearing Fool has several links to lefty blogs that are going crazy over this, suddenly they love cops! And evidently this is ALL the damn right wingers fault, led by that psycho rabble rouser, and inflamer-Glenn Beck. Yeah, that makes sense. I guess the Asian guy who barely spoke English DVR's Beck's show everyday, too. What a bunch of idiots. I don't know much about Alex Jones, just bits and pieces, but what little I have read scared the crap out of me. Those people are not right wingers, they are damn nuts. Funny how people like Maher, Olby, Stephanie Miller and Maddow weren't blamed for the copkiller out in Oakland. There was nary a peep out of them over that crap. Hypocrisy, thy name is liberal.
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Pointed out HERE (http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,27017.msg286124.html#msg286124).
Also noted on FR and various assorted blogs.
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Back in 1999 or so, I stumbled across Alex Jone's web site. I listened to several of his web broadcasts and even bought a few of his videos to check them out.
I think Alex is a freaking radical, but not everything he says is baseless; he goes way over board though.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I no longer have much faith in the current US government. I haven't for years.
It is no longer about truth, justice or liberty. It is about power and control over the population.
I've seen several here post similar feelings since I have been a member of this board.
*It = Government.
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Back in 1999 or so, I stumbled across Alex Jone's web site. I listened to several of his web broadcasts and even bought a few of his videos to check them out.
I think Alex is a freaking radical, but not everything he says is baseless; he goes way over board though.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I no longer have much faith in the current US government. I haven't for years.
It is no longer about truth, justice or liberty. It is about power and control over the population.
I've seen several here post similar feelings since I have been a member of this board.
*It = Government.
I hate to say it, but +1
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No one with any sense should trust the government, IMO. They have way too power, not what it was intended to have by the Framers. On a lighter/weirder note, here's a funny/disturbing true video from a couple weeks back. The guy just graduated from a police academy, somewhere in GA, and he is trying out his inner Dirty Harryness. Someone needs to dump some cleaning chemicals in this gene pool:
http://boortz.com/nealz_nuze/2009/04/psa-how-not-to-test-a-bullet-p.html
He spent one night in the hospital recovering from a open wound 1 1/2 inches deep in his chest. Some people should not be issue vests. Like him.
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I hate to say it, but +1
When large segments of the US government is willfully and willingly stomping all over the US Constitution as if it's not worth the paper it was written on... That concerns me.
When we have a President and CinC, that is on record as more or less stating that is an archaic document, I get even more concerned.
We now have a US government that not only doesn't like the Constitution, they are actively working to destroy it. That includes all 3 branches.
1st amendment: Dying rapidly
2nd Amendment: Under constant attack
4th amendment: Basically dead.
5th amendment: Also basically dead in many cases.
6th amendment: Gasping for breath and on life support.
9th and 10th amendments: Ignored for years by the oh so powerful federal government.
This didn't happen overnight. This happened over decades of complacency, liberal propaganda and "midnight" legislation. This happened because the sheep where convinced to sacrifice liberty and freedom for a false sense of security.
Fact of the matter is; that many of our current federal laws are unconstitutional. Period.
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The encroachment/abrogation of our rights is undeniable but Jones is hardly the nutcase from which to take one's cues. Just because he can take a few minor grains of truth doesn't mean the man is rational nor that he has valid conclusions.
The erosion of our rights is coming straight from L'il 'O's narcissistic socialism; not some secret cabal headed by the Bilderbergers/neocons/Zionists. If we're going to fight this political fight let's not waste our time chasing phantoms of Jones' imagination/marketing.
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The encroachment/abrogation of our rights is undeniable but Jones is hardly the nutcase from which to take one's cues. Just because he can take a few minor grains of truth doesn't mean the man is rational nor that he has valid conclusions.
The erosion of our rights is coming straight from L'il 'O's narcissistic socialism; not some secret cabal headed by the Bilderbergers/neocons/Zionists. If we're going to fight this political fight let's not waste our time chasing phantoms of Jones' imagination/marketing.
As I have already posted:
I think Alex is a freaking radical, but not everything he says is baseless; he goes way over board though.
But at least Jones' is speaking out about his perceptions. I don't agree with all of his conclusions. But I do agree with his willingness to at least "put them out there".
How many members of congress are doing so? Too damn few.
They are too damn concerned about being PC. They are more interested in getting re-elected than doing the job for which they were hired. They consistanly abrogate their oath to support and defend the US Constituiton in the name of "political expedience".
"We the people", unfortunately keep re-electing the same folks that are working so hard to destroy the freedoms that our Founding Fathers fought and died to secure for us.
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But at least Jones' is speaking out about his perceptions. I don't agree with all of his conclusions. But I do agree with his willingness to at least "put them out there".
How many members of congress are doing so? Too damn few.
They are too damn concerned about being PC. They are more interested in getting re-elected than doing the job for which they were hired. They consistanly abrogate their oath to support and defend the US Constituiton in the name of "political expedience".
"We the people", unfortunately keep re-electing the same folks that are working so hard to destroy the freedoms that our Founding Fathers fought and died to secure for us.
And Charles Manson had a point about The Beatles instilling homocidal tendencies...they make ME want to take human life...but that doesn't mean we should respect the souce just because he says what's on his mind; his mind is still corrupt. Jones' idiocy has no virtue and congress' failure to discard PCism doesn't mitigate that fact.
David Duke says what is on his mind, and bemoans threats to the 2nd amendment, but Duke can go sodomize himself with a jackhammer for all I care. I'd rather fight alone for 2nd amendment freedom that fight beside that human cesspool.
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And Charles Manson had a point about The Beatles instilling homocidal tendencies...they make ME want to take human life...but that doesn't mean we should respect the souce just because he says what's on his mind; his mind is still corrupt. Jones' idiocy has no virtue and congress' failure to discard PCism doesn't mitigate that fact.
David Duke says what is on his mind, and bemoans threats to the 2nd amendment, but Duke can go sodomize himself with a jackhammer for all I care. I'd rather fight alone for 2nd amendment freedom that fight beside that human cesspool.
So Jones wasnt correct in protesting that the state of Texas require a finger/thumb print in order to renew a driver's license?
I know I would protest it if my state did that.
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What's next? DNA sample taken at birth.. just in case?
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So Jones wasnt correct in protesting that the state of Texas require a finger/thumb print in order to renew a driver's license?
I know I would protest it if my state did that.
BFD
As if Jones' is needed/wanted to protest legislation you don't like. As I noted above: would you go citing David Dooky just because he's pro-RKBA? Surely there are better alliances to be struck.
And who would you protest: the state legislature or the evil Bilderberger-neocon-Zionist-globalist NWO?
Take a look at DU. They're furious about the money spent on TARP...as are we. But they're mad because they think Obama is giving money to the rich because the e-e-e-evil corporatists are making him do it, whereas we think he's just an idiot throwing good money after bad. Do you want to run to DU to have them support you in your protest of the TARP legislation or are they so whacked out the rest of the time its probably for the best if we just walk away and do what we need to do while letting them rot inside their own minds?
What's next? DNA sample taken at birth.. just in case?
It's been suggested...by nosy, egg-headed liberals who think they are so smart they can run our society for us.
But Jones will send you chasing down the NWO when you needn't look any further than the monkey-flingings at your state capital. So how would listening to Jones be of any use when I--someone who discounts Jones out of hand--can also be wary of and protest against DNA sampling and actually find the proper source of outrage?
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BFD
As if Jones' is needed/wanted to protest legislation you don't like. As I noted above: would you go citing David Dooky just because he's pro-RKBA? Surely there are better alliances to be struck.
And who would you protest: the state legislature or the evil Bilderberger-neocon-Zionist-globalist NWO?
Take a look at DU. They're furious about the money spent on TARP...as are we. But they're mad because they think Obama is giving money to the rich because the e-e-e-evil corporatists are making him do it, whereas we think he's just an idiot throwing good money after bad. Do you want to run to DU to have them support you in your protest of the TARP legislation or are they so whacked out the rest of the time its probably for the best if we just walk away and do what we need to do while letting them rot inside their own minds?
It's been suggested...by nosy, egg-headed liberals who think they are so smart they can run our society for us.
But Jones will send you chasing down the NWO when you needn't look any further than the monkey-flingings at your state capital. So how would listening to Jones be of any use when I--someone who discounts Jones out of hand--can also be wary of and protest against DNA sampling and actually find the proper source of outrage?
Untwist your panties already...
I merely stated that not everything that Jones has said, is without merit.
You may not like the guy. I know I don't. But that doesn't mean I automatically discount some of his points.
No more, no less.
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Untwist your panties already...
I merely stated that not everything that Jones has said, is without merit.
You may not like the guy. I know I don't. But that doesn't mean I automatically discount some of his points.
No more, no less.
I discount his EVERY point, by rote. A stopped clock may still be right twice a day but only a fool looks at it to see what time it is.
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I discount his EVERY point, by rote. A stopped clock may still be right twice a day but only a fool looks at it to see what time it is.
Based on what? You think he is wrong about the unconstituitional goverment intrusion on our lives?
Or do you just protest his method?
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Based on what? You think he is wrong about the unconstituitional goverment intrusion on our lives?
Are you insinuating that to dismiss Jones is to dismiss threats to the Constitution? srsly?
Or do you just protest his method?
What method? Demagogury? Fear-mongering? Paranoia? Borderline psychosis?
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That is one broken mother ****in' clock. The only time it tells is that it is time to get a new clock. What could that idiot have to say that a thousand others couldn't be able to say more factually and rationally? Why not Michelle Malkin? She's an excellent commentator of conservative principle. Well spoken, cogent, an excellent debater and...the best part of all...she's sane and knows what the REAL issues are.
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There's your threat to constitutional rights and personal liberty.
Why on earth would I give Jones a second glance when genuine dialogue is to be so readily found?
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No one with any sense should trust the government, IMO.
True, but I'd sooner trust the government than some fringe lunatic who tries to incite a riot against a 5' tall Asian-American woman.
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True, but I'd sooner trust the government than some fringe lunatic who tries to incite a riot against a 5' tall Asian-American woman.
^5
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True, but I'd sooner trust the government than some fringe lunatic who tries to incite a riot against a 5' tall Asian-American woman.
Would it be okay if we didn't go into the whole either/or game? Personally, Alex Jones AND the federal government have proven themselves no more trustworthy than two heroin junkies arguing over a plastic spoon.
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When I said we shouldn't trust the government, I mean as in the healthy mistrust the Framers intended, not in the 9/11 was an inside job, there are Fema concentration camps, the government is tapping my phone kind of horse s#it way. Just as most normal people do, worry about them having too much power, worry about their misuse of our tax dollars, etc. As for Jones, he is a frickin' fruitcake who should be kept away from decent society. He should NEVER be given one ounce of creedence, regardless of whether he is occasionally cognizant on a particular issue. One right don't make up for a whole truck load of crazy. EVER. Plus, he's just a blowhard and a swarmy bastard. And did ANYONE watch my link I posted? It's worth it, I promise. Georgia home-grown inbreeding on view.
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So Jones wasnt correct in protesting that the state of Texas require a finger/thumb print in order to renew a driver's license?
I know I would protest it if my state did that.
I dunno. Sounds like a good idea to me.
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I dunno. Sounds like a good idea to me.
I've considered it at times as well, specifically for voting (no name attached, and no print on the ballot, just verify no two ballots cast by a person with the same print). However, using it for a DL gives your personal information to the gov't (I know, they can't exactly plant your prints on a murder weapon... yet) opens up the possibility for abuse for political reasons.
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I've considered it at times as well, specifically for voting (no name attached, and no print on the ballot, just verify no two ballots cast by a person with the same print). However, using it for a DL gives your personal information to the gov't (I know, they can't exactly plant your prints on a murder weapon... yet) opens up the possibility for abuse for political reasons.
Joe the Plumber anyone? The information the state government had on him wasn't abused was it? Naw....
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Joe the Plumber anyone? The information the state government had on him wasn't abused was it? Naw....
Why does outrage over goverment abuses even need consideration of Jones.
If anything he detracts from the issue. He misdiagnoses the cause, mishandles the remedy and loons like him are every much the brownshirted thugs they pretend to oppose.
Be upset--very upset--about what happened to Wurzelbacher but FFS curse the day Jone's ever entered the conversation.
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Why does outrage over goverment abuses even need consideration of Jones.
If anything he detracts from the issue. He misdiagnoses the cause, mishandles the remedy and loons like him are every much the brownshirted thugs they pretend to oppose.
Be upset--very upset--about what happened to Wurzelbacher but FFS curse the day Jone's ever entered the conversation.
I never said it did. I was responding specifically to docs post.
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With Mr. Perkovic, he appeared to share a belief that the government was controlled from unseen forces, that troops were being shipped home from the Mideast to police the citizenry here, and that Jews secretly ran the country.
Believing most media were covering up important events, Mr. Poplawski turned to a far-right conspiracy Web site run by Alex Jones...
The belief that there's a secret gov't, the troops were coming back to install "Marshall Law," that the gov't is beholden to the Jews (Israel), and that the media is covering up the truth are all things I consistently read at Skin's island and other lib blogs. Where this author got "far-right" out of Alex Jones is beyond reasonable explanation.
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The belief that there's a secret gov't, the troops were coming back to install "Marshall Law," that the gov't is beholden to the Jews (Israel), and that the media is covering up the truth are all things I consistently read at Skin's island and other lib blogs. Where this author got "far-right" out of Alex Jones is beyond reasonable explanation.
The average news reader will never visit DU or infowars.com so the MSM can call this a successful smear.
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Bingo, Mr. Snuggle Bunny, Sir. Many ^5's.
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What's next? DNA sample taken at birth.. just in case?
i do believe that passed in Minnesota