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Current Events => Politics => Topic started by: Chris on March 25, 2009, 11:42:53 PM

Title: California to legislate car color
Post by: Chris on March 25, 2009, 11:42:53 PM
California ‘Cool’ Paints Initiative Ugly, Lazy (http://wardsauto.com/commentary/cool_paints_ugly_090324/)
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If California regulators get their way, auto makers may soon be forced to rewrite a cliché from the Ford Model T era and start telling customers they can have any color they want as long as it isn’t black.

Some darker hues will be available in place of black, but right now they are indentified internally at paint suppliers with names such as “mud-puddle brown” and are truly ugly substitutes for today’s rich ebony hues.

So buy a black car now, because soon they won’t be available or will look so putrid you won’t want one. And that’s too bad, because paint suppliers say black is the second- or third-most popular vehicle color around the world.

The problem stems from a new “cool paints” initiative from the California Air Resources Board. CARB wants to mandate the phase-in of heat-reflecting paints on vehicle exteriors beginning with the ’12 model year, with all colors meeting a 20% reflectivity requirement by the ’16 model year.

http://wardsauto.com/commentary/cool_paints_ugly_090324/

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Title: Re: California to legislate car color
Post by: NHSparky on March 26, 2009, 08:37:23 AM
Please tell me this is just some Internet hoax.
Title: Re: California to legislate car color
Post by: Mike220 on March 26, 2009, 10:36:56 AM
Please tell me this is just some Internet hoax.

If my translation of the bureaucrat-ese is correct... it's not. Only a draft, but still.

CARB (http://www.arb.ca.gov/cc/cool-paints/cool_paints_reg_language_draft_feb18.pdf)
Title: Re: California to legislate car color
Post by: dutch508 on March 26, 2009, 10:44:51 AM
gawddamm. That there is just racist honkey bullshit!

The man is trying to keep the black car down!

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Title: Re: California to legislate car color
Post by: jinxmchue on March 26, 2009, 10:52:09 AM
Actually, they should be legislating that all cars be black.  Black absorbs more sunlight than any other color and that will help cut down global warming.
Title: Re: California to legislate car color
Post by: Chris_ on March 26, 2009, 11:08:11 AM
I see new car dealerships springing up just across CA lines.

Idiots.
Title: Re: California to legislate car color
Post by: rich_t on March 26, 2009, 12:36:09 PM
I see new car dealerships springing up just across CA lines.

Idiots.


You end up paying the CA sales tax in addition to the tax in the state where you bought the car.

CA charges a sales tax on any vehicle purchased within the last 6 months of registering the car in CA.
Title: Re: California to legislate car color
Post by: Chris_ on March 26, 2009, 12:49:27 PM
You end up paying the CA sales tax in addition to the tax in the state where you bought the car.

CA charges a sales tax on any vehicle purchased within the last 6 months of registering the car in CA.
That's what they get for living on the left coast.   :-)
Title: Re: California to legislate car color
Post by: AllosaursRus on March 26, 2009, 01:01:21 PM
You end up paying the CA sales tax in addition to the tax in the state where you bought the car.

CA charges a sales tax on any vehicle purchased within the last 6 months of registering the car in CA.

Nope! You only have to pay the sales tax in the state you register the vehicle. The downfall to this is you can't include the sales tax into the price of the car, so you have to come up with it in cash when you register.
Title: Re: California to legislate car color
Post by: rich_t on March 26, 2009, 01:12:14 PM
Nope! You only have to pay the sales tax in the state you register the vehicle. The downfall to this is you can't include the sales tax into the price of the car, so you have to come up with it in cash when you register.

Thats not what I recall from when I moved to CA in 96.  But that was over a decade ago.  So I am probably misremembering.
Title: Re: California to legislate car color
Post by: Miss Mia on March 28, 2009, 07:42:42 PM
Thats not what I recall from when I moved to CA in 96.  But that was over a decade ago.  So I am probably misremembering.

Yes, you only pay sales tax in the state that you register the vehicle in. 

And on this topic:

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Rumored California ban on black cars? Not true (http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_12013592)

Would California really ban black cars to fight global warming?

A rumor to that effect raised hackles on the blogosphere last week. Even conservative radio commentator Rush Limbaugh weighed in, urging listeners to rush out and buy a black car before they were pulled from the market.

But while a state agency was indeed mulling the relationship between automobile color and greenhouse gases, the rumored ban on black wasn't actually true.

"It's completely fallacious," said Stanley Young, a spokesman for the state's Air Resources Board, the agency allegedly behind the ban. "At no time was it mentioned, contemplated or proposed that we would ban or restrict any color."

The rumor arose as the board considered requiring reflective car paints and windshields. The premise was that a cooler car would require a driver to use less air conditioning, which would require less gasoline, which would mean fewer greenhouse-gas emissions.

Several groups, including the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, which lobbies for the big automakers, complained that a draft proposal to change the car-painting process to make vehicles more reflective would "eliminate a significant number of vehicle colors" because darker colors absorb more heat. Even the ARB itself, in a PowerPoint presentation on the paint proposal, stated, "Jet black remains an issue," though it never said the color should be banned.

But eventually, the ARB staff decided that the technology required to make car paint more reflective "is not cost-effective" today, and won't be part of the new regulations, Young said.

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Title: Re: California to legislate car color
Post by: TheSarge on March 28, 2009, 07:53:22 PM
Yes, you only pay sales tax in the state that you register the vehicle in. 

And on this topic:


This plan was outed before CARB could implement it. Of course they're going to deny they ever considered it. 
Title: Re: California to legislate car color
Post by: rich_t on March 28, 2009, 07:56:15 PM
Thats not what I recall from when I moved to CA in 96.  But that was over a decade ago.  So I am probably misremembering.

I was only partially misremembering:

Use tax requirements changed July 1, 2007, for purchases of vehicles and vessels• For purchases prior to October 2, 2004, and on or after July 1, 2007, use tax is generally due if a vehicle or vessel is purchased outside California, and brought into this state within 90 days of purchase, not including any time of shipment to California, or time of storage for shipment to California.• For purchases beginning October 2, 2004, through June 30, 2007, use tax was generally due if the vehicle or vessel entered California within 12 months of purchase.

link (http://www.boe.ca.gov/pdf/pub52.pdf)

It was a USE tax.  Not a SALES tax.
Title: Re: California to legislate car color
Post by: Bluesuiter-Retired on March 29, 2009, 11:04:42 PM
Seeing the topic "california" and "car color", it figured they were going to require that there be two colors to choose from -- PINK and PURPLE.