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Current Events => Politics => Topic started by: Mr Mannn on March 16, 2009, 05:40:12 AM
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http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.+1388:
People this is just scary.
HR 1388, will hit the House floor on Tuesday.It is called the Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act (The Give Act.) The House is scheduled to Rule this week. Sponsored by Democrat Representative Carolyn McCarthy (NY), Education and Labor Committee. The objective is to reauthorize and reform the national service laws.
Democrat Rep. McCarthy is sponsoring the bill with 25 co-sponsors, ALL Democrats, including Charlie Rangel. Need I say more.
From the Misc. section, #6104: (6) Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds.
MANDATORY! 3 years of service for all students.
The program talks about earning "educational awards" via this service.
What I suspect is the plan:
(1) Establish this "national service" as a way to get federal student aid for college;
(2) Soon to be followed by a reduction/elimination of other forms of federal student aid;
(3) Thus mandating a successful term of service as a condition for the non-wealthy getting through college. This term of service will take place under conditions where political orientation will be closely examined, indoctrination will be thorough, and the work will be for the benefit of Leftist organization.
I predict that this will be seen as a way to ensure that only the politically-correct will have access to professional careers.
This is it people. The link goes to the bill itself. I have no idea if it will pass congress. But 0bama was serious when he spoke of national service, and a national security corps.
I have never thought the things I have been thinking about any other president. As much as I despaired under Clinton's administration of corruption and graft, it was nothing to the deliberate destruction of the economy and basic freedoms we are seeing under 0bama.
PRAY for America. We are reaping what we have sown for so long.
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From the site: The Co-Sponsors
Rep Altmire, Jason [PA-4] - 3/12/2009
Rep Andrews, Robert E. [NJ-1] - 3/9/2009
Rep Clarke, Yvette D. [NY-11] - 3/12/2009
Rep Courtney, Joe [CT-2] - 3/9/2009
Rep Fattah, Chaka [PA-2] - 3/12/2009
Rep Grijalva, Raul M. [AZ-7] - 3/9/2009
Rep Hare, Phil [IL-17] - 3/9/2009
Rep Hinojosa, Ruben [TX-15] - 3/9/2009
Rep Hirono, Mazie K. [HI-2] - 3/9/2009
Rep Holt, Rush D. [NJ-12] - 3/12/2009
Rep Kildee, Dale E. [MI-5] - 3/9/2009
Rep Klein, Ron [FL-22] - 3/12/2009
Rep Kucinich, Dennis J. [OH-10] - 3/12/2009
Rep Maloney, Carolyn B. [NY-14] - 3/12/2009
Rep Miller, George [CA-7] - 3/9/2009
Rep Payne, Donald M. [NJ-10] - 3/12/2009
Rep Polis, Jared [CO-2] - 3/9/2009
Rep Rangel, Charles B. [NY-15] - 3/12/2009
Rep Sablan, Gregorio [MP] - 3/9/2009
Rep Sestak, Joe [PA-7] - 3/9/2009
Rep Shea-Porter, Carol [NH-1] - 3/12/2009
Rep Tonko, Paul D. [NY-21] - 3/9/2009
Rep Van Hollen, Chris [MD-8] - 3/12/2009
Rep Welch, Peter [VT] - 3/12/2009
Rep Woolsey, Lynn C. [CA-6] - 3/12/2009
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another quote
Part of Title VI says:
SEC. 6107. POWERS OF COMMISSION.
(a) Hearings and Sessions- The Commission may, for the purpose of carrying out this title, hold public hearings, sit and act at times and places, take testimony, and receive evidence as the Commission considers appropriate.
So they are going to "try" us? Receiving evidence? Act as they consider appropriate??
(b) Powers of Members and Agents- Any member or agent of the Commission may, if authorized by the Commission, take any action which the Commission is authorized to take by this section.
And they may deputize others to act in their behalf?
(c) Obtaining Official Data- Upon request of the Chairperson, the head of any department or agency shall furnish information to the Commission that the Commission deems necessary to enable it to carry out this title.
Privacy laws do not apply to 0bama youth.
(d) Physical Facilities and Equipment- The Architect of the Capitol, in consultation with the appropriate entities in the legislative branch, shall locate and provide suitable facilities and equipment for the operation of the Commission on a nonreimbursable basis.
They can take your city hall, your HOUSE, your food, or your weapons ladies and gentlemen!
Violating unreasonable search or seizure provisions in the constitution. But then democrats don't respect the constitution.
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Did 0bama do Peace corps or anything like that?
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Did 0bama do Peace corps or anything like that?
He may have wanted to join the Black Panthers, or the Nation of Islam, but he new it wouldn't be politically expedient. :fuelfire:
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I don't see how this will pass the 13th Amendment. I still don't understand how Selective Service (IE. Draft) isn't a violation of it either, but I doubt this is going to fly.
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Despite the long list of whack jobs "co-sponsoring" this POS legislation, including Rangel and Kook-sin-ich, this bill isn't going anywhere.
Even still, I have no problem with reducing federal aid to stoodents. Tenth Amendment to the Constitution, anyone? Using that as justification to keep this POS bill from being enacted won't wash with me.
It's simply bad legislation. Enticing people to serve the state by dangling a carrot or two precisely angles into the moonbat liberal agenda of statism, nanny-style.
Along with this thing is a provision to amend the 1973 Domestic Volunteer Service Act. Why? Because it's VOLUNTEER.
And the so-called "Points of Light Foundation" is to be repealed. Hallalujah. :whatever:
National Volunteer Antipoverty Programs amended. Yeah. Right.
Here's an interesting provision:
`(12) encourage national service efforts to address pressing national challenges, such as improving education for low-income students, increasing energy conservation, and improving the health, well-being, and economic opportunities of the neediest individuals in the Nation;
Who determines who is "low-income" and who are the "neediest individuals in the Nation"? Moonbatism run amok.
This one pisses me off:
`(18) encourage members of the Baby Boom generation to partake in service opportunities.'.
**** you, asshole. As a boomer, I don't need your "encouragement" to do anything but vote NO for your ass.
There's lots more moonbat where this POS came from. :thatsright:
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Sounds a bit like Hitler youth, doesn't it?
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Rep Shea-Porter, Carol [NH-1] - 3/12/2009
I'm going to melt the cable modem tonight.
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Here's that "Sense of Congress" bullshit again:
`It is the sense of Congress that the number of participants in the programs authorized under subtitle C, including the Volunteers in Service to America (VISTA) and the National Civilian Community Corps (NCCC), should grow to reach 250,000 participants by 2014.'.
A quarter million little Nazis by 2014. Think about it.
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1. This wouldn't actually establish such a system, it calls for an examination of whether one could be implemented - the answer to which is a foregone conclusion with at least two-thirds of the Reps from both parties, who know it would be political suicide for their own re-election chances to actually vote for really implementing it, but who can safely straddle the fence between posturing and taking a real position by voting to 'study' it.
2. McCarthy is a cuckoo, and anything she does to piss people off is good for the real humans. Same for the rest of the wackos on that list.
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Here's that "Sense of Congress" bullshit again:
A quarter million little Nazis by 2014. Think about it.
It would be more than that if they let the ones that voted for him volunteer. Most would join even without any incentive except to stomp on the "rich" people.
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Sounds a bit like Hitler youth, doesn't it?
Yep. Scratch a leftist, find a fascist.
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MrMannn do you mind if I cross post this over at Stinky and Nethog's place?
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From the site: The Co-Sponsors
Rep Altmire, Jason [PA-4] - 3/12/2009
Rep Andrews, Robert E. [NJ-1] - 3/9/2009
Rep Clarke, Yvette D. [NY-11] - 3/12/2009
Rep Courtney, Joe [CT-2] - 3/9/2009
Rep Fattah, Chaka [PA-2] - 3/12/2009
Rep Grijalva, Raul M. [AZ-7] - 3/9/2009
Rep Hare, Phil [IL-17] - 3/9/2009
Rep Hinojosa, Ruben [TX-15] - 3/9/2009
Rep Hirono, Mazie K. [HI-2] - 3/9/2009
Rep Holt, Rush D. [NJ-12] - 3/12/2009
Rep Kildee, Dale E. [MI-5] - 3/9/2009
Rep Klein, Ron [FL-22] - 3/12/2009
Rep Kucinich, Dennis J. [OH-10] - 3/12/2009
Rep Maloney, Carolyn B. [NY-14] - 3/12/2009
Rep Miller, George [CA-7] - 3/9/2009
Rep Payne, Donald M. [NJ-10] - 3/12/2009
Rep Polis, Jared [CO-2] - 3/9/2009
Rep Rangel, Charles B. [NY-15] - 3/12/2009
Rep Sablan, Gregorio [MP] - 3/9/2009
Rep Sestak, Joe [PA-7] - 3/9/2009
Rep Shea-Porter, Carol [NH-1] - 3/12/2009
Rep Tonko, Paul D. [NY-21] - 3/9/2009
Rep Van Hollen, Chris [MD-8] - 3/12/2009
Rep Welch, Peter [VT] - 3/12/2009
Rep Woolsey, Lynn C. [CA-6] - 3/12/2009
Jason Altmyer is a tool. He's from a neighboring district. I wanna puke every time I hear his name mentioned because I know how ridiculous his position is going to be.
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Jason Altmyer is a tool. He's from a neighboring district. I wanna puke every time I hear his name mentioned because I know how ridiculous his position is going to be.
Shea-Porter (Che-Porter, as she's known) is too friggin stupid to have any ideas of her own, but she'll follow whoever is the nuttiest one in the can.
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I sent a very strong "suggestion" to my congressman, Blaine Luetkemeyer. He actually has a set of 'nads, which is encouraging to see.
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Jason Altmyer is a tool. He's from a neighboring district. I wanna puke every time I hear his name mentioned because I know how ridiculous his position is going to be.
Hey, we must be neighbors then! :cheersmate:
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Sounds exactly like Hitler youth, doesn't it?
Fixed...unfortunantly this goes right over the head of your average Obamatron.
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"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.â€â€”Samuel Adams
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MrMannn do you mind if I cross post this over at Stinky and Nethog's place?
Not at all. The more who know this the better.
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:o
Someone post an update on this tomorrow.....
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slavery
slavery
slavery
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Fixed...unfortunantly this goes right over the head of your average Obamatron.
the dummies would love state slavery
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Oh my..... :censored:
(http://www.authordon.com/images/site_graphics/hilter_youth_mind_contol.jpg)
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Hey, we must be neighbors then! :cheersmate:
SIXBURGH baby!!
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UPDATE:
The bill is likely to be debated on the floor tomorrow!
http://republicanwhip.house.gov/floor/3-17-09.pdf
“On Wednesday, the House will meet at 10:00 a.m. for legislative business.
H.R. 1388 - Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act (Subject to a Rule)
:pray
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Oh you don't have to worry about it MrMannn. Old33 told me that we are basically paranoid and ridiculous to worry about this bill. :whatever:
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Oh you don't have to worry about it MrMannn. Old33 told me that we are basically paranoid and ridiculous to worry about this bill. :whatever:
I really hated his condescending nose in the air. What a liberal a$$.
He's probably in commie heaven right now, watching everything conservative Christians fought for since the 80's falter and fail.
He's living proof why people hate lawyers. I've no respect for him.
Sorry for the rant. I haven't had to deal with Old 33 for a while now. I cannot believe he is saved. He hangs out with fundies to taunt and argue.
Sad really. His pride will likely find him left behind. I wonder if he'll even act on what he knows.
Sad waste of a man.
edit to add: for those of you who don't know him, Old33 is a liberal lawyer (very likely with the ACLU). I can best describe him as a DUmmie who thinks he is superior to all who disagree with him (by virtue of his being a lawyer, and we aren't). I've had the task to cross foils with him on many occasions, and I had the pleasure to have helped (behind the scenes) him get kicked off of several boards.
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I don't see how this will pass the 13th Amendment. I still don't understand how Selective Service (IE. Draft) isn't a violation of it either, but I doubt this is going to fly.
Article. XIII.
[Proposed 1865; Ratified 1865]
Section. 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section. 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
When one is Drafted, it may be involuntary but they get paid for their service. That may be the legal work around.
I am still pissed that in this "modern age" women are NOT subject to the Selective Service Act.
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1. This wouldn't actually establish such a system, it calls for an examination of whether one could be implemented - the answer to which is a foregone conclusion with at least two-thirds of the Reps from both parties, who know it would be political suicide for their own re-election chances to actually vote for really implementing it, but who can safely straddle the fence between posturing and taking a real position by voting to 'study' it.
2. McCarthy is a cuckoo, and anything she does to piss people off is good for the real humans. Same for the rest of the wackos on that list.
Agreed.
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Agreed.
You are woman.
Should you be subject to the being drafted into the US Armed Services?
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You are woman.
Should you be subject to the being drafted into the US Armed Services?
Yes.
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I agree that women should have to register for the draft too. I think that if women really want equal rights then it should be across the board equal.
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I agree that women should have to register for the draft too. I think that if women really want equal rights then it should be across the board equal.
Me too. Equal rights, implies equal risk.
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I just posted this over at Little Green Footballs, and it's certainly getting a lot of attention there.
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UPDATE:
It passed the house today. You would never know it from the news.
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Holy Crap. The press is seriously negligent.
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Eff this poseur and the unicorn he rode in on. I want to see his illegal aunt rack leaves or shovel snow.
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Hi,
I am really suspect about this issue. In my generation we all had the draft to consider when we got out of high school. I happen to believe that one of the worst things nitwit Carter did was to discontinue the draft....not for the military purpose....but for the social purpose. It took a lot of 18 year old punks and got them squared away and 3-4 years later they came out of the military and had their head screwed on right and became productive members of society.
With that being said, I do not see anything in the post about military implications. My fear is this could turn into Hitler's introductrination peace corps or something to promote a social agenda. In other words, should these folks not be trained on how to defend this nation....I am totally opposed to the idea.
My guess is like most liberal ideas, there will be all kinds of loopholes so certain folks or privilege can opt out or get special jobs.....like Gore did writing for Stars and Stripes or something, in Vietnam.
I am really concerned about what the real goal of this initiative is.....
regards,
5412
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My son does a lot of volunteer, community, service work now. It's required for rank advancement and certain merit badges in the Boy Scouts. What's wrong with them pushing an entirely volunteer organization such as the Boy Scouts or Girl Scouts in stead of passing this Hitler Youth bill?
OOOOP's It slipped my mind, the BSA and GSA are all about GOD and COUNTRY, can't be pushing that agenda.
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“Barack Obama will require you to work."
"He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation and that you move out of your comfort zone. That you push yourselves to be better. And that you engage."
"Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual – uninvolved, uninformed – you have to stay at the seat at the table of democracy with a man like Barack Obama not just on Tuesday but in a year from now, in four years from now, in eights years from now, you will have to be engaged.â€- Michelle Obama at UCLA
How much you wanna bet Christian teens will be forced to volunteer at abortion clinics? Or punished in other ways (for being Christian teens)?
They may have changed the names from camps to campuses, but these are reeducation camps. 3 years of constant indoctrination.
I warned you guys. Obama is going Hugo on us.
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I agree that women should have to register for the draft too. I think that if women really want equal rights then it should be across the board equal.
I strongly dislike the idea of women having to register for the draft. It is one thing to volunteer, but should a young woman with a child be required to go to war? There are a number of jobs that are female dominated (teaching and child care as examples) that really don't have significant military equivalents, so how would people with those careers in mind transition back into being an employed member of society after serving in the military? I remember talking to an older man once who served in the Vietnam war, and he was telling me he did not like women serving the military. He told me that the women and children at home were what he was fighting for, first and foremost, and that it just did not feel right to him to have women serving in the military. Not very politically correct, but there you have it.
How low would women's rights have to go before you would consider them "unequal" enough that they would not need to register for the draft?
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I strongly dislike the idea of women having to register for the draft. It is one thing to volunteer, but should a young woman with a child be required to go to war?
Yes, to me it's no different than a man with a young child at home. The draft shouldn't bring both parents at the same time, but either one should go.
There are a number of jobs that are female dominated (teaching and child care as examples) that really don't have significant military equivalents, so how would people with those careers in mind transition back into being an employed member of society after serving in the military?
The same way any number of men that have gone to war and come home and transition back.
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Israel has had military conscription for women since 48. they are even given front line jobs, like maning checkpoints etc. Mostly however, they get service type jobs. but like the US, every soldier is a rifleperson.
They have proven to be very effective, but the reality sometimes is very annoying to the soldier. there is a ton of paper shuffling, and it seems every colnel wants an attractive secretary.
Women do military service for two years, men for three, but everybody is part of the reserves. Married and pregnent women are excluded from the draft, and you would think lots of women would take this way out. This seems to be rare.
As to the 0bama scheme, seems like re education camps to me. Three years of slavery for everybody, all hail the messiah!
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every soldier is a rifleperson.
GOOD GOD! What the hell is this PC bullshit??? WAKE UP MAN! This is the conservative cave. PC gets kicked in the ass at the door!!
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From the site: The Co-Sponsors
Rep Hare, Phil [IL-17] - 3/9/2009
I know him. He replaced Lane Evans who became very ill. Lane was very well respected as a ranking member of the House Committee on Veterans' Affairs. Phil Hare has nothing going for him. He is a bozo.
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I am really suspect about this issue. In my generation we all had the draft to consider when we got out of high school. I happen to believe that one of the worst things nitwit Carter did was to discontinue the draft...
I am against government slavery of any kind.
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I am against government slavery of any kind.
I too am against income taxes. It amounts to about 3-4 months of involuntary servitude each year for many of us.
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3 years service huh?......probably the only job the welfare crowd will ever have.