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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Carl on March 07, 2009, 05:49:30 PM
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Finally had enough beer to be in the mood to stroll around the island today.
Not much happening and this is old stuff but still always gives me amusement in the utter futility and hopelessness they hang their happiness on.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5200787
reprehensor (1000+ posts) Fri Mar-06-09 07:45 PM
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Should W. Be Arrested in Canada for War Crimes on St. Patrick's Day?
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http://www.911blogger.com/node/19540
BUSH LEAGUE JUSTICE:
Should George W. Bush Be Arrested in Calgary Alberta
To Be Tried For International Crimes?
by Anthony J. Hall
Professor of Globalization Studies - University of Lethbridge
George W. Bush and Omar al-Bashir
Serious allegations of criminality are swirling around ex-US President George W. Bush and current Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir. In late February of 2009 it was reported that the Hague-based International Criminal Court was preparing to issue a warrant for al-Bashir alleging his culpability for genocide, war crimes, and crimes against humanity. As the documents were being prepared against Sudan’s head of state, ex-President Bush was preparing to initiate a series of high-paying speaking engagements beginning in Calgary Alberta on March 17. Bush’s visit to Alberta’s oil capital tests the consistency and authenticity of the Canadian government’s “unequivocal†position that “Canada is not and will not become a safe haven for persons involved in war crimes, crimes against humanity or other reprehensible acts.â€
The contrast between the treatment afforded Bush and al-Bashir was inadvertently highlighted by Geoffrey York, a colleague with whom I conferred frequently when we were both reporting regularly in The Globe and Mail about two decades ago on the surprising twists that repeatedly made Aboriginal Affairs in Manitoba a major source of national news. York introduced his story on the charges against al-Bashir by writing, “For the first time in history, an international criminal court is set to issue an arrest warrant for the leader of a country, accusing him of orchestrating a campaign of murder, torture and rape.†The reporter anticipated that the ICC’s initiative “will be hailed by many as a sign that nobody is above the law.â€
The striking contrast between the treatment of al-Bashir and Bush serves to clarify the division of the world’s criminals and suspected criminals into two major categories, one inhabited by a small elite that is essentially above the law and the other populated by figures not rich or influential enough to gain exemptions from the law’s coercive force. It is not without a sense of irony that I arrive at this conclusion. On the one hand the ICC’s decision to press charges against al-Bashir, as well as to initiate in January of 2009 a full-fledged trial against Congolese warlord Thomas Lubanga Dyilo, signals a major transformation in the career of the ICC. It indicates that the court is no longer a mere vehicle for the empty expression of lofty idealism but rather a site of real engagement aimed at subjugating the rule of murder, mayhem and intimidation to the higher authority of law.
On the other hand by pointing its initial surge of juridical activism at the local criminality of individuals in those afflicted regions of Africa where resource cartels and their client regimes often dominate, the ICC has called attention to the West’s hypocrisy in shielding its own war lords and war profiteers in the military-industrial complex from any legal accountability for the violent acts its operatives, many of them in the so-called private sector, regularly plan, instigate, finance, arm, facilitate, commit and exploit. Indeed, the double standard promoted by the ICC in the choice of its targets for prosecution replicates in the international arena much of the duplicity of the criminal justice system in the United States...
Continued...
http://www.911blogger.com/node/19540
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Easy real world answer for you.....never going to happen.
That of course isn`t satisfactory for the DUmbasses though.
Ohio Joe (1000+ posts) Fri Mar-06-09 07:49 PM
Response to Original message
2. No
He should be arrested today, where ever he may be. I consider every day he is free to be an insult to the entire world.
madokie (1000+ posts) Sat Mar-07-09 07:50 AM
Response to Reply #2
18. I like what Joe said
Arrest that sorry man and prove to the world that no one is above the law. Then head on over to the cheney residence and arrest his sorry ass too. then on to condi's, well you get the picture...
Jack Rabbit (1000+ posts) Fri Mar-06-09 07:51 PM
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4. I really don't give a two bit damn who has the honor of arresting Bush for war crimes
Edited on Fri Mar-06-09 07:51 PM by Jack Rabbit
As long as the bastard stands trial for his foul misdeeds somewhere, someday and spends the rest of his life in the slammer.
On a more serious note, no one has issued an arrest warrant yet. What's the hold up?
Ohio Joe (1000+ posts) Fri Mar-06-09 07:57 PM
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8. Agreed, what is the hold up?
It is not like there is a question "Did he commit crimes?", only the entirety and exact wording of the charges. I expect a number of the crimes should go to Cheney as well.
Perhaps the fact that none of you can state what they are and what statutes were broken has something to do with it.
Funny thing about the sane world...it requires facts not wishes.
grace0418 (1000+ posts) Sat Mar-07-09 03:15 PM
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29. The sooner the better. Right this instant would be fine.
I just want to see it happen. And not just Dubya.
bvar22 (1000+ posts) Sat Mar-07-09 05:31 PM
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32. Should......
....but won't.
I support a private effort by Citizens of the World.
It is clear that the Democratic Party and the US Justice Department will do NOTHING to hold the criminals accountable.
A private organization representing Citizens of the World would have better results.
I will donate $500 to ANY organization that will place a Bounty on Bush/Cheney to be paid to anyone who provides evidence or sworn testimony that leads to the issuing of an International Arrest Warrant..
A small, transparent trust could be set up by a handful of lawyers, and located in a neutral country like Switzerland. If the BOUNTY is promoted internationally, it would quickly grow to Mega-Millions.
The fund would also be tasked with running full page "Wanted For War Crimes" ads in major Global newspapers every 3 months until the Bounty is awarded or depleted.
Wanted
for
WAR CRIMES
A $500 Million Dollar Reward will be paid to any individual, organization, or country that provides evidence or sworn testimony that leads to the arrest, or the issuance of an Internal Arrest Warrant for War Crimes committed by George Bush, Dick Cheney, Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice, or Donald Rumsfeld.
I have neither the resources or skills to institute such a fund, but I am willing to donate $500. I also believe that there are at least a million more worldwide (extreme minimum) who would also be willing to donate....that adds up to some serious money.
Even if Bush/Cheney are never arrested, a Mega-Million Dollar International Bounty would certainly keep them looking over their shoulders and curtail retirement travel plans.
It would also put a nice ribbon around the Bush Legacy, AND serve as a warning to future "Unitary Executives".
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hootinholler (1000+ posts)
Good luck with that...your fellow DUmmies are long on words but a little short on resources. :lmao:
I will spend the rest of my life laughing at your idiotic tantrums. :rotf:
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Ohio Joe (1000+ posts) Fri Mar-06-09 07:49 PM
Response to Original message
2. No
He should be arrested today, where ever he may be. I consider every day he is free to be an insult to the entire world.
Drama queen. :overreaction:
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This one was posted again in GD and gets shot down in record time.
malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sat Mar-07-09 05:14 PM
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Lookie lookie Bush may be next for the Hague
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/ExUN_prosecutor_Bush_may_...
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An ex-UN prosecutor has said that following the issuance of an arrest warrant for the president of Sudan, former US President George W. Bush could -- and should -- be next on the International Criminal Court's list.
The former prosecutor's assessment was echoed in some respect by United Nations General Assembly chief Miguel d'Escoto Brockmann, of Nicaragua, who said America's military occupation of Iraq has caused over a million deaths and should be probed by the United Nations.
"David Crane, an international law professor at Syracuse University, said the principle of law used to issue an arrest warrant for Omar al-Bashir could extend to former US President Bush over claims officials from his Administration may have engaged in torture by using coercive interrogation techniques on terror suspects," reported the New Zealand Herald
tritsofme (1000+ posts) Sat Mar-07-09 05:37 PM
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12. This is just flawed on so many different levels.
For starters, the US is not a party to the Rome Statute.
Obama could sign the treaty, but it could never win ratification in the Senate.
Further more, federal law currently prohibits any cooperation with the ICC. Once again, this could be overturned, but that is yet another roadblock.
It is a matter of some controversy whether or not the ICC has jurisdiction over nations that are not parties to the Rome Statute.
The US and Iraq are not parties to that treaty.
Even if that is not an issue, the ICC only has jurisdiction when the home states have failed to prosecute or impose justice domestically. This would make it the implicit position of the Obama administration to have opposed prosecution. That would make it even harder for them to justify to the extradition of a former President of the United States to an international court that the United States is not a party to.
Its just not realistic.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5205297
Two points is they still consider rawstory to be a legitimate source and there are still some Lousy Freeper Trolls that need a granite slab.
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They really, really don't understand cause and effect do they?
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The liberals and their courts are all talk and paperwork when it comes to taking out despots that torture and murder their own people. George Bush took out one such despot and now they want to play their little games with George....sheeeesh. They need to make up their minds. Do you want to do something about despots or just talk about it.
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Ok mother ****ers...if thats the way its gonna be, here is a list of the others you can lock up as well...
U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 107th Congress - 2nd Session
as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate
Vote Summary
Question: On the Joint Resolution (H.J.Res. 114 )
Vote Number: 237 Vote Date: October 11, 2002, 12:50 AM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Joint Resolution Passed
Measure Number: H.J.Res. 114
Measure Title: A joint resolution to authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq.
Vote Counts: YEAs 77
NAYs 23
Vote Summary By Senator Name By Vote Position By Home State
Alphabetical by Senator Name Akaka (D-HI), Nay
Allard (R-CO), Yea
Allen (R-VA), Yea
Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Bayh (D-IN), Yea
Bennett (R-UT), Yea
Biden (D-DE), Yea
Bingaman (D-NM), Nay
Bond (R-MO), Yea
Boxer (D-CA), Nay
Breaux (D-LA), Yea
Brownback (R-KS), Yea
Bunning (R-KY), Yea
Burns (R-MT), Yea
Byrd (D-WV), Nay
Campbell (R-CO), Yea
Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
Carnahan (D-MO), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Chafee (R-RI), Nay
Cleland (D-GA), Yea
Clinton (D-NY), Yea
Cochran (R-MS), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Yea
Conrad (D-ND), Nay
Corzine (D-NJ), Nay
Craig (R-ID), Yea
Crapo (R-ID), Yea
Daschle (D-SD), Yea
Dayton (D-MN), Nay
DeWine (R-OH), Yea
Dodd (D-CT), Yea
Domenici (R-NM), Yea
Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
Durbin (D-IL), Nay
Edwards (D-NC), Yea
Ensign (R-NV), Yea
Enzi (R-WY), Yea
Feingold (D-WI), Nay
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Fitzgerald (R-IL), Yea
Frist (R-TN), Yea
Graham (D-FL), Nay
Gramm (R-TX), Yea
Grassley (R-IA), Yea
Gregg (R-NH), Yea
Hagel (R-NE), Yea
Harkin (D-IA), Yea
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Helms (R-NC), Yea
Hollings (D-SC), Yea
Hutchinson (R-AR), Yea
Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
Inouye (D-HI), Nay
Jeffords (I-VT), Nay
Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Kennedy (D-MA), Nay
Kerry (D-MA), Yea
Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Kyl (R-AZ), Yea
Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
Leahy (D-VT), Nay
Levin (D-MI), Nay
Lieberman (D-CT), Yea
Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
Lott (R-MS), Yea
Lugar (R-IN), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Yea
McConnell (R-KY), Yea
Mikulski (D-MD), Nay
Miller (D-GA), Yea
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Nay
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Nickles (R-OK), Yea
Reed (D-RI), Nay
Reid (D-NV), Yea
Roberts (R-KS), Yea
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Santorum (R-PA), Yea
Sarbanes (D-MD), Nay
Schumer (D-NY), Yea
Sessions (R-AL), Yea
Shelby (R-AL), Yea
Smith (R-NH), Yea
Smith (R-OR), Yea
Snowe (R-ME), Yea
Specter (R-PA), Yea
Stabenow (D-MI), Nay
Stevens (R-AK), Yea
Thomas (R-WY), Yea
Thompson (R-TN), Yea
Thurmond (R-SC), Yea
Torricelli (D-NJ), Yea
Voinovich (R-OH), Yea
Warner (R-VA), Yea
Wellstone (D-MN), Nay
Wyden (D-OR), Nay
link:http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=2&vote=00237
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Ohio Joe (1000+ posts) Fri Mar-06-09 07:49 PM
Response to Original message
2. No
He should be arrested today, where ever he may be. I consider every day he is free to be an insult to the entire world.
No idiot...every day YOU draw a breath is what is the insult to the entire world.
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If they're going to try to set the precedent, then President Obama, by authorizing military (Predator) strikes in Pakistan which killed civilians, is just as culpable.
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The more I read the comments and posts from DU, the more I am convinced that if the collective IQ of the entire site was measured, it wouldn't go above zero.... :mental:
Some people are just too stupid to breathe. Those people reside at DU.... :hammer: