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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Carl on March 01, 2009, 04:41:26 PM
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Sun Mar-01-09 02:56 PM
Original message
I'm amazed at the number of "liberals" on this board that...
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seem to have been indoctrinated with the conservative ideology. Especially when it comes to tax rates or a progressive tax structure. They seem to believe like Ronnie Reagan that the 32% tax rate is best for job production and wealth creation, even though, the facts do not bear that out. "People will stop working if you make their taxes too high", they say. They will argue that the corporations will move all our jobs overseas if we raise the taxes too high. It doesn't factor that the huge taxcuts gave them the incentive and the wealth to move the jobs to begin with...
In other words....
"Dammit all...some of you are too grounded in reality to be here!!!"
annabanana (1000+ posts) Sun Mar-01-09 02:58 PM
Response to Original message
1. They also seem to think that if you give business owners more
money, they'll hire more people..
Who the hell ever swallowed that crap to start with? No one hires someone unless they can't handle the work themselves (and they've run out of teenagers they can bully into working for free)
You have proven your idiocy now move along.
RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Sun Mar-01-09 03:04 PM
Response to Reply #2
12. 90% better still.
A little clue...your life will not be one iota better for it.
ixion (1000+ posts) Sun Mar-01-09 04:13 PM
Response to Reply #12
48. I would stop working way before it became that insane...
in fact, 40% is out-of-line, IMO.
Whoops,reality checking in.
kentuck (1000+ posts) Sun Mar-01-09 03:03 PM
Response to Reply #3
10. and there is a contradiction with their theory of supply and demand...
even if taxes were 90%, there would still be the law of supply and demand, would there not? They would still compete with each other to get the most customers for their products, regardless of the tax rates?
You have now shown yourself to be an economic idiot.
If there was nothing to reward investment,risk and hard work they would simply cease to produce.
Called the law of unintended consequences which is something you DUmbfux can never grasp.
backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Sun Mar-01-09 02:59 PM
Response to Original message
4. I'm all for soakin' the rich.
They've been getting away with murder, now it's time they pay their fair share.
Ferret Mike (1000+ posts) Sun Mar-01-09 03:01 PM
Response to Reply #4
7. Eat the rich
show them no quarter. They are more then glad to treat us in that manner, so quid pro quo.
I take great joy in knowing that no matter what may happen in the world you will always be miserable. :-)
Dave From Canada (492 posts) Sun Mar-01-09 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #4
21. It's sad that you guys have so been poisoned to believe that someone who runs a successful business,
is somehow taking something from you. According to IRS stats, the top 5% of wage earners payed 60% of federal income taxes. How much more is their "fair share." 70%? 80%? 100%?
John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Sun Mar-01-09 03:36 PM
Response to Reply #21
32. You seem to be confusing wage earners with business owners. They are seperate entities.
You seem to be confusing reality with DUmpster thought.....oh well,it is why you are what you are.
tangent90 (144 posts) Sun Mar-01-09 04:04 PM
Response to Reply #21
43. I am learning that defending capitalism in any way here on DU is an invitation to riducule and hate.
I'm beginning to wonder if anybody else here actually has a job.
ALERT ALERT ALERT ALERT ALERT ALERT
Lives lost to an obsession of envy....rot in it DUmbasses.
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Oh FFS DUmfarks. Get it through your damn heads. Taking less of a persons income (lower taxes) is not the same as "giving" them money.
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Oh FFS DUmfarks. Get it through your damn heads. Taking less of a persons income (lower taxes) is not the same as "giving" them money.
OH yes it is!!!! It wasn't their money to begin with .... the government just let them hold it for a little while. [/dummie]
KC
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I think that anybody that gets an A or a B should be paired with those that get a D or an F. That way everyone gets free Cs all around and all is equal.
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Sun Mar-01-09 04:06 PM
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46. The triumph of Bushiganda mean all conversations start at the Bushiganda
Bushiganda = "Conventional Wisdom"
THAT'S what the Democratic Leadership allowed to happen when they decided not to fight back when the Rush bullshit started 30 years ago. When they decided to play Mr. and Ms. "Nice Guy'" and replied to Rushian calumies by trying to ignore them or by saying, "You might be right, but that's besides the point..."
But what the Rushpublics said was NEVER right, it was all calumnies, lies, and Nazi-style absolutist talk and demonization.
This is what we have reaped. Bushiganda's "Conventional Wisdom" is so ingrained that even a third of DUers start the converstaion with huge chuncks of Bushiganda, which are mostly if not all bullshit anyway.
It never fails to amaze what passes for "intelligent" over there...
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Sun Mar-01-09 04:06 PM
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46. The triumph of Bushiganda mean all conversations start at the Bushiganda
Bushiganda = "Conventional Wisdom"
THAT'S what the Democratic Leadership allowed to happen when they decided not to fight back when the Rush bullshit started 30 years ago. When they decided to play Mr. and Ms. "Nice Guy'" and replied to Rushian calumies by trying to ignore them or by saying, "You might be right, but that's besides the point..."
But what the Rushpublics said was NEVER right, it was all calumnies, lies, and Nazi-style absolutist talk and demonization.
This is what we have reaped. Bushiganda's "Conventional Wisdom" is so ingrained that even a third of DUers start the converstaion with huge chuncks of Bushiganda, which are mostly if not all bullshit anyway.
Holy hell...
It's CALUMNIES, DUmbass. Can you fools not proofread? You got it right once.
If you're going to insult someone, better not look stupid yourself.
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If you're going to insult someone, better not look stupid yourself.
That train left the station at "Bushiganda".
What a ****ing retard.
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Anytime I read a post that contains DUmmienomics I have to wonder about something.
Let's say that the DUmmies' wet dream came true. Not the wet dream where they take it up the rear from 0 while fellating Hugo, but the one where the government takes all the money from the "rich" (aka folks who have more than the DUmmies) and redistribute it to the DUmmies.
The DUmmies have constantly shown that they have absolutely no ability to manage money so in a very short time all of the money given to them would be gone. Then what would they do? Once the "rich" has been bled dry there's no way that the rest of the tax payers could afford to give enough money to keep the DUmmies living in the life style to which they've become accustomed. I figure the DUmmies would eventually starve to death.
For a group that likes to boast of their intelligence they sure are stupid.
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I remember when the top marginal rate was 70%, and yes, people DID stop working, especially those in trades like plumbers and mechanics. Who wants to put in extra hours when you only get to keep 30 cents on the dollar, and that's BEFORE any other State or Federal withholding taxes come out of it? It's just not worth it, at least not worth it to actually do that extra work in a legally-documented way.
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I know when I see an economics topic here at the Dumpster, I'm always in for a treat. Depressing, though, how stupid people can be. Tanker, I remember when people did stop working, some due to the combined husband and wife making too much. One (the wife usually) would quit and they would just live life scaled-back, and she would do a little cottage industry work under the table. Ahhh too bad the tax revenues would dry up.
tangent90 (144 posts) Sun Mar-01-09 04:04 PM
Response to Reply #21
43. I am learning that defending capitalism in any way here on DU is an invitation to riducule and hate.
I'm beginning to wonder if anybody else here actually has a job.
Hey this was pretty funny. A hard slap of reality.
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Dave From Canada
Response to Reply #4
21. It's sad that you guys have so been poisoned to believe that someone who runs a successful business, is somehow taking something from you. According to IRS stats, the top 5% of wage earners payed 60% of federal income taxes. How much more is their "fair share." 70%? 80%? 100%?
Doctor_J
Response to Reply #21
44. They make 95% of the income. Why is 60% of the taxes such a hardship?
kentuck
Response to Reply #44
66. Bingo !
The crux of the argument. Why should they not pay 95% of the taxes if they make 95% of the income? Would that not be a fairer tax??
So now they're in favor of a flat tax???
I do wish they would make up their simple little minds one day.
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C'mon, USA4ME, you know that their drug-addled minds consist of two brain cells, each waving goodbye to the other . . .
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anabanana brain
we don't want govt giving business anything. just to get out of their way.
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Doctor_J
Response to Reply #21
44. They make 95% of the income. Why is 60% of the taxes such a hardship?
This is a bold faced lie. My google foo is week but I heard the stats on the radio the other day.
KC
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Doctor_J
Response to Reply #21
44. They make 95% of the income. Why is 60% of the taxes such a hardship?
???????
Where in the hell do they get 95%?
The top 5% earn 30% of all income, not 95%....
No wonder they are called DUmmies. There isn't a positive IQ in the entire bunch....
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Sun Mar-01-09 02:58 PM
Response to Original message
1. They also seem to think that if you give business owners more
money, they'll hire more people..
Who the hell ever swallowed that crap to start with? No one hires someone unless they can't handle the work themselves (and they've run out of teenagers they can bully into working for free)
This DUmmie must live in one of those African countries were warlords raid villages and orphanages for boys to turn into soldiers. Otherwise WTH is this prim talking about? What America are teenagers bullied into working for free? Except maybe the criminal underworld.
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But what the Rushpublics said was NEVER right, it was all calumnies, lies, and Nazi-style absolutist talk and demonization.
What an absolutist example of Nazi-style demonization.
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This DUmmie must live in one of those African countries were warlords raid villages and orphanages for boys to turn into soldiers. Otherwise WTH is this prim talking about? What America are teenagers bullied into working for free? Except maybe the criminal underworld.
chores?
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chores?
And that's what wrong with DUmmies today.....they've never had chores to do.
My daddy said, "As long as I put a roof over your head and you stick your feet under my table, you got chores to do." ....and that's the way it was until I got married and moved out at age 22.
It used to be in the south that as long as your daddy could whup your ass, you listened to him and mined him. Then when he got to old to whup your ass, you listened and mined outta love and respect.