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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on February 27, 2009, 01:28:11 PM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5147665
Oh my. It's a very big bonfire, blazing out of control.
OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-27-09 11:48 AM
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The Cheese Sandwich Issue: My Solution To Satisfy The Never Satisfied With Anything.
How bout we just base our society completely on socialism to avoid anyone's hurt ****ing feelings.
Hey, you're getting dropped off in a 10 year old clunker. **** THAT! That embarrasses the kid! How dare some other child get to step out of a 2008 Trailblazer. That's just not right! It's too obvious the other child is in a family that doesn't have as much money. Heaven's to Betsy that's just unacceptable!
Hey, that kid's wearing a polo shirt! THAT'S ****ING ATROCIOUS! Won't some other kid have his feelings hurt by embarrassment that he comes in wearing a generic brand? WE JUST CAN'T HAVE THAT!!!
**** it. Let's satisfy the zealots! From now on I hereby declare to our society: EVERYBODY HAS TO WEAR THE SAME CLOTHES. EVERYBODY HAS TO DRIVE THE SAME CAR. EVERYBODY HAS TO HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT IN THEIR BANK ACCOUNT. SOCIALISM RAWKS!!!!!!!1111111
The operating one has one of those stupid "sarcasm" tags at the end, but it's against my conscience to copy-and-paste those stupid things.
Rabrrrrrr (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-27-09 11:50 AM
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3. Thank you, Chairman Mao! It'll be easier if you issue uniforms.
Good rant!
The socialists make me laugh, but also fill me with rage at their sheer shitiocy.
HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-27-09 12:08 PM
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5. Boy, the concept of feeding poor children really has you steamed, huh?
This from the "thank god it passed" guy.
Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-27-09 12:11 PM
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7. It makes him feel powerful
Those of us who either experienced the "free or reduced lunch" childhood, or live with someone who did, are thankful that someone like the above does not serve in a governmental decision-making capacity.
OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-27-09 12:46 PM
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24. Ridiculous Response.
The reason I posted is because the argument surrounding the cheese sandwich issue is completely ludicrous. What I did was offer a strong, though albeit sarcastic, rebuttal to the irrational outrage being poured out towards the issue.
Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-27-09 12:55 PM
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27. Even more ridiculous defense, huh?
It's amazing to me that your opinion is consistently the Only Correct One. Then again, you've always been the only one who believes that.
OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-27-09 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #27
29. You Continue To Fail In Response.
You attack me, but you have yet to offer a single thing as it relates to the argument itself. What do you think that says about you and your position?
Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-27-09 01:08 PM
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34. I've already made comments in threads discussing this subject
>What do you think that says about you and your position?<
Hmm. Let's see here: How dare I defend myself and others against your unceasing attacks, huh? Maybe it's best to not throw rocks when you live in a glass house yourself.
Here's another one: I live with someone who experienced the "free and reduced lunch" programs. I also seem to remember the brutal treatment of any child in school who was "different" in any way. I'm sure you'd just tell them to "get a Binky" and "get over it".
OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-27-09 01:11 PM
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Again, You're Projecting.
"unceasing attacks".
You still have yet to offer rebuttal to the logic in the OP. You fail again.
OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-27-09 12:12 PM
Response to Reply #5
8. Nice Try, But Your Interpretation Is Wayyyyyyy Off. (Surprise Surprise)
I'm a huge advocate for hunger/charity etc. In this case, the children ARE being fed. So your response makes exactly zero sense.
omega minimo (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-27-09 01:52 PM
Response to Reply #5
61. Wow, he's really cheesed off
marmar (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-27-09 12:10 PM
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6. I swear sometimes people post strident shit just to start arguments.....
Occulus (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-27-09 12:41 PM
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21. Sometime *I* think Fredda Weinberg had a bunch of sock puppets
Okay, it goes on and on and on, the operating one intellecutally beating every primitive replying to him, and besides, the oculist primitive pisses me off, with that desparaging comment about Fredda Weinberg.
Fredda Weinberg was the one the 0bamaite cali primitive tried to intimidate during the Democrat presidential primaries last year, but failed.
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I have no idea what the Cheese Sandwich issue is. Is it interesting at all?
Missy Vixen hurls a nonsensical cliche:
Maybe it's best to not throw rocks when you live in a glass house yourself.
How do you live in a glass house on the internets?
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I have no idea what the Cheese Sandwich issue is. Is it interesting at all?
Some school district somewhere got overloaded with unpaid-for meals for students, and enforced a new rule. If the parents didn't pay up, or apply for financial aid from the government to pay up, then their kids would be served cheese sandwiches rather than the regular menu.
It's caused a mini-storm on Skins's island.
Which is to say that when compared with the real world, it was a tempest in a thimble, a Barbie-sized thimble.
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Here, if their lunch account gets in arrears and they don't have paper for free/reduced meals, they get PBJs. Nobody goes hungry and 99% of humans like PBJs, but it's not exactly sought-after. Nobody has kicked about the arrangement, as far as I know.
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And I want to know why I am even buying them PBJ's.
Little bastards can starve for all I care.
Those kids can't help it that their parents are pieces of shit. It is probably the only meal they get a day considering their DNA donors probably sold the food stamps/card for crack or meth. I would rather see most of these kids in an orphanage than having to live with irresponsible dumbasses that put their own wants in front of feeding the kids.
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Here, if their lunch account gets in arrears and they don't have paper for free/reduced meals, they get PBJs. Nobody goes hungry and 99% of humans like PBJs, but it's not exactly sought-after. Nobody has kicked about the arrangement, as far as I know.
IIRC Peanut Butter is verboten at most schools due to the possible number of people that have allergies and the schools abject (yet justified) fear of litigation.
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IIRC Peanut Butter is verboten at most schools due to the possible number of people that have allergies and the schools abject (yet justified) fear of litigation.
At The Heiress' day care, peanut butter is strictly forbidden, for the liability issue. My wife has come up with what she thinks is an acceptable substitute--Marshmallow Fluff and jelly sandwiches. All we have to do now is wait for The Heiress to grow big enough to be able to feed her these.
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IIRC Peanut Butter is verboten at most schools due to the possible number of people that have allergies and the schools abject (yet justified) fear of litigation.
We regard that as 'culling the herd.'
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I liked cheese sandwiches as a kid. I like cheese sandwiches as an adult. Hell, I asked my mom to put cheese sandwiches in my lunch for school.
I never heard of a kid dying from eating a cheese sandwich.
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The Big Damn Cheese Sammich Contreversy Thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5147566#5147922
madfloridian
Fri Feb-27-09 10:34 AM
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It's not about a cheese sandwich at all.
Those who think it is about a cheese sandwich need to spend some time in classrooms and school lunchrooms with young kids.
It's a punitive measure. It began that way, and it is today.
It has been one of the most obvious signs here at DU how our culture has changed under the Bush administration and it's rigid conservatism.
Before I retired as a teacher, I witnessed the struggle when our lunchroom at school began the "cheese sandwich" gambit. It was very obviously meant to embarrass the children whose parents were behind in their lunch payments.
It was done in a harsh way very often, with the lunchroom workers pulling the kids out of line after loudly calling out their name. They presented them their "cheese sandwich" lunch so that it could not be missed by anyone in the lunchroom. After many teachers complained they toned it down a little, but there were still loud arguments with the children who just did not understand why they were being taken out of the line to be given a cheese sandwich.
The lunches were cooked in large quantities. It saved nothing at all financially to prepare separate "cheese sandwich" lunches for the needy children.
I knew the family backgrounds of the children I taught in 2nd grade when they started that policy. I tried to explain some of the situations to the lunchroom management. They got angry with me for standing up for the children's feelings. They reported me to the principal who told me to back off.
The same thing happened to other teachers who did not like the discrimination. It was a shocking thing to everyone when it began, but I see it has become acceptable now.
It never was and still is not about a cheese sandwich or a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, or any other kind of sandwich.
It's about embarrassing children needlessly when it would be just as economically sound to feel them a regular lunch.
It's a harsh conservative tactic meant to humiliate when it could be handled another way. The fact that it is accepted so easily at a Democratic forum scares me.
The Cheese Sammitch Is A Harsh Mistress.
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With the free lunch program out there, there is no reason that anyone who is in the lower income bracket should fall behind on lunch payments...they already don't pay!
This is the same as everything else...those of us that DO pay, and DO keep up with our responsiblilities get to pay for the deadbeat parents who don't. Lunches, field trip, school fees, you name it.
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Those kids can't help it that their parents are pieces of shit. It is probably the only meal they get a day considering their DNA donors probably sold the food stamps/card for crack or meth. I would rather see most of these kids in an orphanage than having to live with irresponsible dumbasses that put their own wants in front of feeding the kids.
I worked in a school where 99% of the students qualified for free lunch. No lie, I believe I had maybe 5 students out of 150 or so who didn't get a free lunch.
The kids who were receiving free lunch had Coach handbags, designer clothes, expensive shoes/sneakers, the latest electronic gadgets. They often had more money in their pocket at any given time than I had in my wallet.
So yeah. I'm with BadCat.