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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: LC EFA on February 24, 2009, 03:13:43 AM
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DUmmies upset that Saint O hasn't immediately disbanded the Military.
unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Feb-23-09 09:58 AM
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Say it ain’t so, Mr. O Updated at 10:55 AM
I read last week Mr. Gates is going to hit you up for another $86 billion to continue the occupations in Iraq and Afghanistan thru the end of 2009.
Now I’m sure you are concentrating on fixing the economy. I even read this morning you are thinking about ‘fixing’ Social Security and Medicare. That should be interesting to watch.
As a good American citizen, let me toss a few low hanging fruit at you to pay for some this.
1. Don’t give Gates the $86 billion to continue the occupations. You can use that to bail out GM and Chrysler.
2. Cut the military budget by $500 billion or so. We’re spending a trillion dollars a year on the US military. Just to refresh your memory, when dubya took over in 2000 the military budget was $302 billion. So if you cut the budget to $500 billion, it’s still up by 66% from when dubya took over. The occupations are costing us at least $5,000 a second, so if you get out of both occupations you’ll have an extra $5,000 a second to help Americans.
3. I strongly recommend you read ‘War Is A Racket’ by Marine Corps Major General Smedley Darlington Butler. Save yourself $10 and read it online --> http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket... . It's a small book you can finish over short plane ride and I'd be interested what you think of that book.
Lastly, I understand you are big on bipartisanship. The Republicans (and some Democrats) are going to scream murder if you try to halt the occupations or cut the military budget and will attack you. The occupations will not be ended on bipartisanship. They will be ended by running out of money or bodies to throw into the fray. Why not get ahead of the curve?
Are you going to continue the insane path dubya took?
Say it ain’t so, Mr. O.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5113998
Good American citizen ? Right, Sure.
biopowertoday (497 posts) Mon Feb-23-09 10:04 AM
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2. Nicely said. be sure to post it on the WH feedback website.
unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Feb-23-09 10:10 AM
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3. Thanks! Updated at 10:55 AM
I just did. I'll post the reply if I ever see one.
Please hold your breath while waiting. To ensure success use tape.
CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Feb-23-09 10:25 AM
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4. on the news last night
Edited on Mon Feb-23-09 10:28 AM by CountAllVotes
I heard it costs $785,000.00 per soldier per year. That works out to: $13,345,000,000.00!!!
That is an extra $13+ billion dollars per year for WHAT!? More death & destruction is the answer!
Say it ain't so Mr. O is right! :argh:
TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Feb-23-09 10:26 AM
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5. Excellent post. K/R
US out of Iraq/Afghanistan. War is not the answer.
So just what is "the answer" then ?. Broadcast a live feed from the Folsom street fair ? Hugs kisses and Free Ponies ?
kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-23-09 10:46 AM
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7. I think the President is so busy with the economy and the bailouts...
that he is letting Gates and Petraeus make the military decisions at this time. He may regret that??
Letting military people make military decisions is a good thing you damn retard.
Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Tue Feb-24-09 12:15 AM
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33. that's the point: 500 billion cuts in the military & occupations will help
the economy and the bailouts (auto)
everything is connected
but if President O thinks the repukes really want to be "bipartisan" he's wrong (or naive)
they just want him to fail (or not to succeed) so they can have a slim chance of beating him & Dems (in 2010).
Just connect the dots , man !11!
TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-23-09 02:06 PM
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12. What bits of the military would you cut, exactly?
I constantly see people on DU making extravagant claims about how to deal with military spending, where they don't have to take any responsibility for the reality of the military budget. So tell me: what parts could you cut? Procurement? That's only $100 billion. Research and development? Only $80 billion.
Oh, and you're being very inaccurate about the military budget under Clinton. By that same standard, our current military budget is less than $500 billion. It only goes to $1 trillion if you include the VA, the wars, debt on previous borrowing, and other items which aren't part of the DoD budget.
The fact is that it's easy to make big declarations when you're not responsible for anything. Hell, that's the Republicans stock in trade. However, the realities of governing are a bit different. Nobody's saying there isn't room for trimming, but until we leave Iraq that's not very realistic. And leaving takes time.
Lousy Freeper Troll.
leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-23-09 02:19 PM
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13. What about private contracting profits?
Halliburton, CACI, KBR, Blackwater, etc - their CEOS and elaborate layers of salaried administrative people.
Not making an argument here because I don't know the answer, but just wondering what a nonprofit budget would look like.
leftstreet is making good headway to being given the DUmmie of the year award for 2009 already.
eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Feb-23-09 08:46 PM
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20. Weapons designed to fight a Soviet empire that no longer exists
Shut down most of our foreign military bases. Get rid of that stupid Star Wars system.
Yeah, and watch those eurotards scream about it. The outrage of them actually having to defend their own asses would be something to see.
Baby Snooks (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Feb-24-09 12:24 AM
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34. Mr. O needs a history lesson...
[3 links concerning Prescott Bush removed]
People scoff at the thought of a dynasty in a democracy but that is what the Bushes are. A dynasty. Founded 100 years ago by a man named Samuel Bush who controlled an empire in relative obscurity in Ohio - a pillar of the community in Columbus but also a pariah because of his political views which promoted fascism as the ideal of federalism and oligarchy, a form of fascism, as the ideal of democracy.
We are where Samuel Bush envisioned us to be - what the son and the grandson could not accomplish the great-grandson did.
We are a collapsing empire. And we are collapsing by design.
Lay off the crack dude.
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We are a collapsing empire. And we are collapsing by design.
The DUmb****s' design. The Obamessiah's design. William Ayres' design. It's all the same.
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These asshats will be the first ones running for cover and wailing that the government didn`t protect them (still will somehow be Bushes fault) when the next terrorist attack occurs.
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These asshats will be the first ones running for cover and wailing that the government didn`t protect them (still will somehow be Bushes fault) when the next terrorist attack occurs.
They'll be crying that the government didn't kiss enough ass, make as eloquent speeches or send enough Free Poniesâ„¢ to the responsible party.
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I strongly recommend you read ‘War Is A Racket’ by Marine Corps Major General Smedley Darlington Butler.
Hmmmm.
Apparently franksolich isn't the only person around who reads ancient magazines and books.
I remember "War Is A Racket" very well; it was from the 1930s, nothing current.
I also recall many of the arguments in that book were invalid by 1939.
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Hmmmm.
Apparently franksolich isn't the only person around who reads ancient magazines and books.
I remember "War Is A Racket" very well; it was from the 1930s, nothing current.
I also recall many of the arguments in that book were invalid by 1939.
Coach, what's 70 years between DUmb****s? :mental: :thatsright:
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These asshats will be the first ones running for cover and wailing that the government didn`t protect them (still will somehow be Bushes fault) when the next terrorist attack occurs.
Either that or they will be the first and the loudest to somehow say that we brought it on ourselves...while still claiming it's Bush's fault.
These kind of "people" disgust me beyond words.