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Oh my, the things one learns in school these days:
libnnc (1000+ posts) Tue Feb-10-09 03:11 PM
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had a student tell me today
That the reason businesses are failing is because they're being taxed "to death"
oy...
sometimes teh stupid hurts soooo much
ferrous wheel (319 posts) Tue Feb-10-09 03:12 PM
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1. Well, if he weren't ignorant he wouldn't be a student.
T Wolf (1000+ posts) Tue Feb-10-09 03:12 PM
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2. Are you their teacher? If so, you have the opportunity to (a) educate or (b) see that they cannot spread their ignorance to others.
libnnc (1000+ posts) Tue Feb-10-09 03:14 PM
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4. he won't budge
called me communist a couple of weeks ago
I must be doing something right.
barbtries (1000+ posts) Tue Feb-10-09 03:13 PM
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3. ow
hope you set him or her straight. where in nc?
libnnc (1000+ posts) Tue Feb-10-09 03:14 PM
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5. community college
piedmont/triad
Tunkamerica (1000+ posts) Tue Feb-10-09 03:22 PM
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7. GTCC?
HillbillyBob (500 posts) Tue Feb-10-09 03:29 PM
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12. NE triad(Caswell County) too bad that is a waste of his parents and taxpayers $.
I always wanted to go back to school..but I was too busy hand to mouth keeping food in the house and the rent paid.
JaneQPublic (1000+ posts) Tue Feb-10-09 03:15 PM
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6. Listening to Rush on hi IPod?
TheCowsCameHome (1000+ posts) Tue Feb-10-09 03:23 PM
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8. Ask your student if businesses seek payment for their goods or services.
That's what taxes are - payment for what is rendered by others.
county worker (190 posts) Tue Feb-10-09 03:24 PM
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9. If a business was failing it probably didn't have any income so it wouldn't be paying income tax.
They would not be paying sales tax on the things they buy for resale since that tax is passed on to the end user. They would pay social security and medicare tax on their employees and workers comp which is insurance not a tax. But since most failing businesses are laying people off they are also cutting their tax burden along with the payroll.
Just what tax is causing them to fail?
Geezuz, the governmental employee primitive is stupid.
Taxes on goods and services that the companies have to pay, that they must pass on to the ultimate consumer, and if the taxes are too high, the prices are too high for ultimate consumers to purchase what the companies do, or make.
I've never met a governmental employee who knew shit about where money comes from.
And here, we get a nice little stretchy:
antigop (1000+ posts) Tue Feb-10-09 03:24 PM
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10. On Sunday, a wingnut told me the reason jobs were being offshored is because of taxes
I said, "No, it's because of cheaper labor."
The wingnut said, "OK, cheaper labor AND taxes".
Someone else at the table told the wingnut, "Well, the company I work for hasn't paid taxes, yet has offshored lots of jobs."
The wingnut just sat there.
libnnc (1000+ posts) Tue Feb-10-09 03:28 PM
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11. I keep telling this kid that the reason companies hire expensive tax lawyers is to find ways around paying taxes
he got all bowed up and started spouting that "NO!!!11 Businesses pay the majority of taxes in society!!111. Millions of dollars in taxes!!!111"
also overheard him tell someone that his daddy was going to get him a job with his company so he's pretty much "hooked up"
HillbillyBob (500 posts) Tue Feb-10-09 03:33 PM
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15. I am so sorry you have to deal with ignernt ungreatful lil snots
I might be giving away my age, but we were taught to at least LISTEN to the person at the head of the class before spouting uncouth disrespect.
This was sometimes backed up with a board about 30 inches long with a handle carved out of one end and it was applied to the gluteus with force directly proportionate to said disrespect.
Oh my. A primitive advocating corporal punishment in schools.
That's new.
FLyellowdog (1000+ posts) Tue Feb-10-09 03:31 PM
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13. Hope you set him straight on this,
I'm guessing you have a little more leeway in your classroom than the rest of us have had. Keep up the good work. I'm so proud of you.
libnnc (1000+ posts) Tue Feb-10-09 03:37 PM
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16. hee hee...just WAIT till we get to the chapter on the depression years
I've got that lecture pretty much put to memory. I tell them stories about Paw Paw and Nonnie -- pretty much shuts them up.
Mollis (415 posts) Tue Feb-10-09 03:33 PM
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14. My Psych teacher said something like that...
my parents business was going to be "taxed to death."
ixion (1000+ posts) Tue Feb-10-09 03:50 PM
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18. the reason business are failing is that there is no business
I've got clients, but they're all having trouble coming up with cash, and that hurts my business.
This student is obviously not running a business of his own.
Well, there never was much money in holding basket-weaving seminars.
jljamison (89 posts) Tue Feb-10-09 03:56 PM
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19. please explain that...
...when you have no income or no profits, you don't have any taxes due. Profits often require revenues, so no revenue usually means no profits. No spending, no revenues. its axiomatic.
Then the silly primitive, the "SoCalDem" primitive, posts a couple of charts that signify nothing to do with the issue.
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