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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on February 10, 2009, 02:41:01 PM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5024266
Oh my.
Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Tue Feb-10-09 03:30 PM
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Pigmen coming after our pensions now?
A Proposal to Shore Up Banks With Pension Funds
Financial institutions in the United States probably need hundreds of billions of dollars in additional assistance, and one congressman wants to harness state and local pension funds to help them.
Rather than rely more heavily on the Treasury, which has already put $350 billion in the nation’s banks, Representative Gary L. Ackerman sees an opportunity in the trillions of dollars in public pension funds. Most of the funds suffered giant losses last year in the market turmoil. But they do not need all of their assets immediately, because their time horizon for paying benefits is decades long.
Mr. Ackerman, Democrat of New York, is sponsoring legislation that would allow public pension funds to pool some of their money and use it to create a sole-purpose entity that would buy $50 billion to $250 billion worth of preferred stock in America’s banks. That would strengthen the banks’ balance sheets and, Mr. Ackerman hopes, get them lending again.
“Some of us are getting tired of writing checks with public money†and seeing no results, Mr. Ackerman said. He said pension fund officials who had heard about the measure so far were eager to participate.
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More from NY Times
Do you know where you pension is?
Is this the "private capital" we've been hearing about?
How long before 401Ks and other retirement vehicles are led to the slaughter to be scrificed?
What's it been, like 21 days since the inauguration of the 0bamareich?
Isn't 0bama being, uh, a little slow on setting things right?
I wonder what's up with that.
We were promised.....
county worker (190 posts) Tue Feb-10-09 03:33 PM
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1. Fund managers try very hard to make sure the funds are there when you retire.
So they try to make wise investment decisions. This would take their decision making authority away and if the funds lose money the employers would have to put in more money.
Not a good idea!
But usually the primitives think it's a good idea to have the government have all the money.
marketcrazy1 (312 posts) Tue Feb-10-09 03:34 PM
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2. STUPID!! STUPID!! STUPID!!
INSANITY KNOWS NO BOUNDS!!!
The silly primitive:
SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Tue Feb-10-09 03:35 PM
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3. Our 401-k lost $26K between Sept-Dec..
My husband is quite "mum" about the whole thing, since I had been bugging him since July, to switch everything to the "safe" category... I tried to do it online, but did not have a certain "code number", so I could not set up an online account..I called, and was not allowed to do it, since it was in HIS name..and wouldn;t you know it..he was toooooo BUSY, to pick up the phone..
I bit my tongue almost OFF when we got the next statement...but I could not resist telling him.."Well, that non-phone call cost you your brand new truck".....He's switched it now, but I have a suspicion that even that amount will disappear before much longer
Uh, one wonders why the silly primitive's husband doesn't have that as a joint account.
Any speculations, anybody?
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There was something last year about some DemSen wanting the federal government to take control of private pension funds, so this is no surprise really.
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Uh, one wonders why the silly primitive's husband doesn't have that as a joint account.
Any speculations, anybody?
He's probably too busy yelling, STFU Bitch! 401k's are not ment to be "joint". IF he's smart, he'll leave it alone.
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Uh, one wonders why the silly primitive's husband doesn't have that as a joint account.
Any speculations, anybody?
:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
That's beyond me....I don't have a clue.
:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
LISTEN DUMMIES!
THEY WANT YOU BROKE. ...DESTITUTE.. ..PENNILESS.....OWNING NOTHING... ..TOTALLY DEPENDENT ON THEM...
THEM: meaning the government, your wonderful democrat communist leaders that you elected.
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There was something last year about some DemSen wanting the federal government to take control of private pension funds, so this is no surprise really.
I remember that. Yeah, I don't think this is the "change" they "hoped" for. :evillaugh: :evillaugh: :evillaugh:
What fidiots. (That's fucking idiots for those that don't know.)
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I remember that. Yeah, I don't think this is the "change" they "hoped" for. :evillaugh: :evillaugh: :evillaugh:
What fidiots. (That's fucking idiots for those that don't know.)
They voted for him! :evillaugh:
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One wonders why the self-proclaimed most intelligent people in the world are worried about losing money or their jobs? It seems like that would be a problem for those who are not as knowledgable and intelligent as they, but certainly not something of which they need concern themselves about on a personal level.
Maybe they're not as intelligent as they believe themselves to be.
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They voted for him! :evillaugh:
Used and thrown away, similar to a Kleenex . . . :evillaugh: :evillaugh: :evillaugh:
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One wonders why the self-proclaimed most intelligent people in the world are worried about losing money or their jobs? It seems like that would be a problem for those who are not as knowledgable and intelligent as they, but certainly not something of which they need concern themselves about on a personal level.
Maybe they're not as intelligent as they believe themselves to be.
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Ya think?
When I (have to) think of DUmmies, two phrases come to mind:
- "Legend in their own minds"; and
- "Suffering from delusions of adequacy".
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TARP2 is $2 TRILLION or $2 million million
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Yesterday's media headlines: "Wall Street up on Obama's timulus passing."
Today's media headlines: "Wall Street down on bank stimulus."
I personally think that WS was up yesterday hoping that the senate would not push obama's plan through. So today it is not the stimulus but something else that is causing the drop. TO anyone that thinks that the media will ever hold obama and the socialist of the house is dead wrong. They commies are too big too fail.
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wasn't it down yesterday?
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wasn't it down yesterday?
Yes. It was mostly a flat day but I think all the major indexes were down slightly but I mostly pay attention to the Dow. Interestingly the rally on Friday had the Nasdaq making up all its losses for 2009. Not sure where the last two days had put it.
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wasn't it down yesterday?
Yesterday and today.
(http://marketdata.nyse.com/JTic?app=JP&rf=GIF&cs=368x150&style=NY2&esd=Y&JPEG_QUALITY=100&fq=1&ezd=1d&id=DJI&cred=08ZdSYOaDWu2LSb2VhwRw558DNBCUlW2ICGZPYU78qRVmx/gOFsE91AGyh2gZfxapMNaADNQR7iwVBA3GQylcQ1tNqf2lnZYj5ODgeqaNE565qkZRmpXPO3U8VycK01tGp/klZCqpF4)
The obama recession continues.