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Current Events => General Discussion => Topic started by: Karin on February 10, 2009, 01:20:44 PM
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I apologize for posting something off topic, but I think this is important, and we don't have an open thread here:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_mccaughey&sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs
This is scary shit, please go viral with this and get back on the phone with the congresscrud.
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Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_mccaughey&sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs)
But the bill goes further. One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your doctor’s decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, “Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.” According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and “learn to operate less like solo practitioners.”
Hospitals and doctors that are not “meaningful users” of the new system will face penalties. “Meaningful user” isn’t defined in the bill. That will be left to the HHS secretary, who will be empowered to impose “more stringent measures of meaningful use over time” (511, 518, 540-541)
What penalties will deter your doctor from going beyond the electronically delivered protocols when your condition is atypical or you need an experimental treatment? The vagueness is intentional. In his book, Daschle proposed an appointed body with vast powers to make the “tough” decisions elected politicians won’t make.
The stimulus bill does that, and calls it the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research (190-192). The goal, Daschle’s book explained, is to slow the development and use of new medications and technologies because they are driving up costs. He praises Europeans for being more willing to accept “hopeless diagnoses” and “forgo experimental treatments,” and he chastises Americans for expecting too much from the health-care system.
(more...) (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_mccaughey&sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs)
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Just what we need - another freakin' government bureaucracy.
Oh wait. Sorry, I forgot. The Anointed One is in power.
Bureaucracy is his middle name (after Hussein, of course).
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Just what we need - another freakin' government bureaucracy.
Oh wait. Sorry, I forgot. The Anointed One is in power.
Bureaucracy is his middle name (after Hussein, of course).
If he can't take over the health care sector, this is the next best thing... limiting your medical treatment to a pre-approved list of options in a government database written by Tom Daschle and a bunch of bean counters.
**** that.
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If he can't take over the health care sector, this is the next best thing... limiting your medical treatment to a pre-approved list of options in a government database written by Tom Daschle and a bunch of bean counters.
**** that.
Any bets that the list includes exceptions for Senators?
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Any bets that the list includes exceptions for Senators?
Keep asking questions like that, and you may have strange men knocking on your door early in the morning to "talk" to you.
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I just want to throttle every last person who voted for this man.
What were you thinking?! :banghead:
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I just want to throttle every last person who voted for this man.
What were you thinking?! :banghead:
They were thinking of getting their free pony, never having to pay for gas again, and having their mortgages paid for by 0Bama. In other words they were stupid and bought into a pack of lies.
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I just want to throttle every last person who voted for this man.
What were you thinking?! :banghead:
Agreed. :censored:
My dad, being a radiologist and in his 50's, is considering retiring early instead of dealing with this BS. I hope you Obama lovers are happy with yourselves. IMO, a lot of the older (and more experienced) doctors could very well choose early retirement. Guess what that could mean for health care, dipshits?!
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Agreed. :censored:
My dad, being a radiologist and in his 50's, is considering retiring early instead of dealing with this BS. I hope you Obama lovers are happy with yourselves. IMO, a lot of the older (and more experienced) doctors could very well choose early retirement. Guess what that could mean for health care, dipshits?!
Hospitals get surrounded with concertino wire and guard towers, to keep the staff from defecting?
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To Paraphrase Rahm EmanuHell, never let a crises go by without screwing everything and everyone.
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Agreed. :censored:
My dad, being a radiologist and in his 50's, is considering retiring early instead of dealing with this BS. I hope you Obama lovers are happy with yourselves. IMO, a lot of the older (and more experienced) doctors could very well choose early retirement. Guess what that could mean for health care, dipshits?!
Just imagine the result when all medical facilities are sued to force them to provide abortions...and don't think it won't happen. We've seen how pharmacists are treated when they refuse to provide abortifacients. FOCA will destroy healthcare in this country.
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Well sh*t. My income depends on hospital construction. When hospitals and their corporate owners can no longer afford to expand/renovate, I'm outta work. Yup, that's change, just like Oooooobama promised. :bird:
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Sen. Specter Responds to Health Care Scare in Stimulus Bill
(CNSNews.com) – “We are not going to let the federal government monitor what doctors do,†Sen. Arlen Specter told Fox News on Tuesday.
Specter, one of only three Republicans to support the Democrats’ stimulus/spending bill, was responding to growing concerns over health care provisions buried deep in the bill.
*snip*
The Senate bill provides $3 billion to computerize health records to cut costs and reduce medical errors. It also allots $1.1 billion to various federal health agencies “to evaluate the relative effectiveness of different health care services and treatment options,†the bill’s summary says.
Specter said the provision was intended to “provide technology†– to computerize the health records of all Americans. He said the government should not be in the business of making decisions on patients’ treatment.
Hospitals everywhere in this country are already moving toward electronic record keeping, you idiot.
MORE (http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=43333)
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Wasn't arlen specter one of the three traiterous Republicans who voted for this bill?
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Wasn't arlen specter one of the three traiterous Republicans who voted for this bill?
That's a roger. Voted for cloture, actually, just to be clear.
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I wonder how long this will last once the Government decided that AIDS isn't worth treating anymore or when one of the mothers of Schumer or Pelosi is dying of pancreatic cancer?
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They were thinking of getting their free pony, never having to pay for gas again, and having their mortgages paid for by 0Bama. In other words they were stupid and bought into a pack of lies.
Well, I wonder if that lady that asked for the car, the appliances, etc. will get them? And, by having the Secretary of Housing or whatever contact her, she is line jumping.
Typical reaction for the Cult Of Personality left.
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Keep asking questions like that, and you may have strange men knocking on your door early in the morning to "talk" to you.
I can only HOPE!!!!!!!!!
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Healthcare for all...
...so long as the dems say it's OK:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v630/MrSnuggleBunny/mengelecopy.jpg)
One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide†your doctor’s decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, “Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.†According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and “learn to operate less like solo practitioners.†…
Hospitals and doctors that are not “meaningful users†of the new system will face penalties. “Meaningful user†isn’t defined in the bill. That will be left to the HHS secretary, who will be empowered to impose “more stringent measures of meaningful use over time†(511, 518, 540-541)
What penalties will deter your doctor from going beyond the electronically delivered protocols when your condition is atypical or you need an experimental treatment? The vagueness is intentional. In his book, Daschle proposed an appointed body with vast powers to make the “tough†decisions elected politicians won’t make.
The stimulus bill does that, and calls it the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research (190-192). The goal, Daschle’s book explained, is to slow the development and use of new medications and technologies because they are driving up costs. He praises Europeans for being more willing to accept “hopeless diagnoses†and “forgo experimental treatments,†and he chastises Americans for expecting too much from the health-care system.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_mccaughey&sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs
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pelosi explained the clearly non-stimulative provision of the emergency stimulus bill, without which we shall surely all perish, as a "down payment" on the still-to-be-written health care reform legislation.
apparently, the $800B that they are going to spend on the nobody-completely-knows-what-is in-it stimulus bill in no way deters them from the $500B health care reform bill.
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It will go either of these 2 ways:
"Do you have your papers?"
"You will not receive any assistance without your papers."
Or:
"Go home, take a couple of aspirin, and call me in 6 weeks."
Providing you can even see a doctor in the first place....
My 8th grade Government teacher was right back in 1972, and is still right today:
"If you want the least done for the most amount of money, get the government to do it."
Bumper sticker my son had on his senior year Government notebook:
"US Government Policy: If it ain't broke, fix it 'til it is!"
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I've been all over this since this story broke. I wrote my congresscrud, but I doubt they read it (Upchuck belongs to me). I wrote the AARP, and they wrote me back, saying "don't listen to the scaremongers on TV, this is a good thing, trust us!" I wrote back and said "Thanks, but I'm not buying it. Do not support the slippery slope to socialized medicine, under which retirees will surely suffer, much as they have in the U.K."
I feel utterly powerless.
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I've been all over this since this story broke. I wrote my congresscrud, but I doubt they read it (Upchuck belongs to me). I wrote the AARP, and they wrote me back, saying "don't listen to the scaremongers on TV, this is a good thing, trust us!" I wrote back and said "Thanks, but I'm not buying it. Do not support the slippery slope to socialized medicine, under which retirees will surely suffer, much as they have in the U.K."
I feel utterly powerless.
As a fellow NYer this sort of thing will decimate health care in upstate.
Money and power will flow straight down the Hudson even more then it already does.
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Which is scarier...the morons who knew this was in there and voted for it, or the morons who voted for the bill without reading it?
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That's the kind of "health care" they have in Canada.
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I know Carl, I live in the Northern Tundra part, what part are you in? We have a hell of a time getting doctors to relocate here. They usually move away shortly, too. It's too cold, their wives are too bored, pay is so-so, etc.
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I sent you a PM with the location. :)
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The Democrat party should change its name to the National Socialist Workers Party, because that is what they are for wanting the "useless eaters" to die off.
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Moved to GD and merged with previous thread.
And I agree... this is bullshit.
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QUERY:
1) If treatment is to be decided by the efficacy/cost-benefit of the treatment would it have been worth it to perform surgery on Ruth Bader Ginsberg's pancreatic cyst?
2) Can elective abortion be considered medically unecessary?
3) Weren't HMO's pilloried by Michael Moore and others for their picking and choosing treatments over the doctor's wishes?
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This is like a bad dream. The government having access to everyone's medical history. (Hey Dummies, your abortions may now be public knowledge.)
This is beyond sick....no pun. The USA is turning into CUBA. Michael Moore, you got your wish, bitch.
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Hey Dummies, your abortions may now be public knowledge.
They're DUmmies. They would be proud of it.
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Hi,
I heard an extended interview this morning on Fox with Senator Jon Kyl discussing the stimulus bill and the "socialized medicine" garbage they stuck in there. I will break this into two separate items, what is in the bill as of this morning, and what he said about where he fears it is headed in the second post. I will let the mod decide if he wants to link the two.
The discussion started with them commenting that the libs had accused the Republicans and Fox News in particular of over reacting, ain't that big a deal. The Senator disagreed. Here is what he said remains in the bill.
There is a $2.8 billion authorization to set up some sort of medical czar to collect all the medical records of everyone in the country. The study will then determine what treatments are best for each situation, where possible money can be saved, and the key words to me was this. AND WHAT IS REALLY COST EFFECTIVE.
So far all they are authorized to do is collect data, do a study and make recommendations. No big deal right?
Well the senator said it is a big deal because they tipped their hand where they are headed. He said the goal was in an earlier house version of the bill and it got pulled, plus it is well outlined in Daschle's book and indeed he will be involved.
With that being said, I will start another thread on where the Senator said we are headed.
regards,
5412
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Hi, 5412. I'm going to merge this with the thread we already have on this topic in General Discussion.
Thanks, and welcome to CC.
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Hey communist mother****ers, Eat shit and die.
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Hey communist mother****ers, Eat shit and die.
from a browns fan?
funny.
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Agreed. :censored:
My dad, being a radiologist and in his 50's, is considering retiring early instead of dealing with this BS. I hope you Obama lovers are happy with yourselves. IMO, a lot of the older (and more experienced) doctors could very well choose early retirement. Guess what that could mean for health care, dipshits?!
With all the state budget issues, medical, dental and pharamcy school tution has sky rocketed! I wonder how many students will have to drop out???
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Hospitals everywhere in this country are already moving toward electronic record keeping, you idiot.
MORE (http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=43333)
It sounds like it's all being set up to save insurance companies money and make it easier for them to deny claims & procedures.
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The stimulus bill does that, and calls it the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research (190-192). The goal, Daschle’s book explained, is to slow the development and use of new medications and technologies because they are driving up costs. He praises Europeans for being more willing to accept “hopeless diagnoses†and “forgo experimental treatments,†and he chastises Americans for expecting too much from the health-care system.
Tom "Let em Die" Daschle
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I've been all over this since this story broke. I wrote my congresscrud, but I doubt they read it (Upchuck belongs to me). I wrote the AARP, and they wrote me back, saying "don't listen to the scaremongers on TV, this is a good thing, trust us!" I wrote back and said "Thanks, but I'm not buying it. Do not support the slippery slope to socialized medicine, under which retirees will surely suffer, much as they have in the U.K."
I feel utterly powerless.
I have news for you; the AARP supported Hillary care. This rotten organization is not concerned about Seniors healthcare or their penny ante collection of dues. They want to sell you their crummy mutual funds, their high priced car, life and hospital insurance. Their income from these plans total almost a billion dollars in profits. If you like junk mail 2 or 3 times a week, join this outfit.
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Doctor don't make their own decisions. The strings you see are that of private health insurance carriers. Government is trying to replace those strings with their own.
Two wrongs definitely don't make a right. It is a sucky system, but at least with the former doctors had the option of which health insurance they would accept from patients.