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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: CC27 on February 09, 2009, 04:41:35 PM
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Mon Feb-09-09 05:09 PM
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If Republicans had been in charge when America needed FDR's New Deal
Can you imagine if a Republican president had been in charge when America needed the New Deal?
Here are just some ideas of where we'd be today:
1. Mexico would be passing anti-immigration laws to keep Americans out
2. Debtor's prison would be a reality today (bankruptcy would be a crime against the Constitution)
3. Homeless would be required to go to a Evangelical Church service before getting food and/or shelter
4. Women would have lost the right to vote, could not go to school and would be required to serve in convents until they were married (unless they came from wealthy families)
5. We would have lords, barons and royalty who's wealth came from serfs and indentured servants
Please feel free to add to this list.
:mental:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8182409
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these people are morons
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these people are morons
FGL, that's an insult to morons. They're below idiots.
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Mexico would be passing anti-immigration laws to keep Americans out
Have you even checked the Mexican immigration laws you dumb ****? They already do that.
Homeless would be required to go to a Evangelical Church service before getting food and/or shelter
Fine... Go hungry and not eat the food donated by the goodness of other's hearts.
If I were truely hungry or needed a place to spend the night, I would gladly endure listening to an Al Gore "global warming" speech in exchange.
But your problem you cocksuker... is that you want shit handed to you for free and expect others to just suck it up and give it to you.
Go pound salt you sorry waste of air.
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Mon Feb-09-09 05:09 PM
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If Republicans had been in charge when America needed FDR's New Deal
There wouldn't have been a New Deal if it had been Republicans in charge.
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Nice to know the Republicans have gained power as the minority players. Wooo Hooo for us!!
KC
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Nice to know the Republicans have gained power as the minority players. Wooo Hooo for us!!
KC
Don't celebrate..................republicans balls and spines are the kenny's of Southpark fame
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We would have been out of the depression in 1935?
Yep.
Can't wait for the nest war to get the democrats out of a financial quagmire...and how many millions dead.
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Don't celebrate..................republicans balls and spines are the kenny's of Southpark fame
Well, I meant Wooo Hooo as in; These idiots don't understand the Republicans don't have the power to do shit right now yet they want to blame it on them.
KC
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Mexico would be passing anti-immigration laws to keep Americans out
As rich pointed out, they've done that. Mexico has much harsher immigration laws.
Debtor's prison would be a reality today
And what is it called when an estranged father is shoved into prison for falling behind in child support? I know we all love to hate "deadbeat dads," but many of those punished have fallen behind due to unemployment or health problems.
Homeless would be required to go to a Evangelical Church service before getting food and/or shelter
As most homeless are currently sheltered and fed by churches, nothing would be different. You "liberals" would still be hanging onto your wallets with fierce greed.
Women would have lost the right to vote, could not go to school and would be required to serve in convents until they were married
:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :rotf: :rotf:
We would have lords, barons and royalty who's wealth came from serfs and indentured servants
:o :o I thought we had that now!! Just ask UP, she'll educate you!! :-)
We would have been out of the depression in 1935?
Yep.
Yep. :clap:
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Some info on Hoover from wiki:
After his successful election in November 1928, Hoover entered office with a plan for reform of the nation's regulatory system. A dedicated Progressive and Reformer, Hoover saw the presidency as a vehicle for improving the conditions of all Americans by regulation and by encouraging volunteerism. Long before he entered politics he denounced laissez-faire thinking. As Commerce Secretary he had taken an active pro-regulation stance. As President, he helped push tariff and farm subsidy bills through Congress.
Hoover expanded civil service coverage of Federal positions, canceled private oil leases on government lands, ... He appointed a commission which set aside 3 million acres of national parks and 2.3 million acres of national forests; advocated tax reduction for low-income Americans; closed certain tax loopholes for the wealthy; doubled the number of veteran's hospital facilities; wrote a Children's Charter that advocated protection of every child regardless of race or gender....
Sounds like a libs wet dream.
Hoover's well as the economy were put to the test with the onset of The Great Depression. At the outset of the Depression, Hoover claims in his memoirs that he rejected Treasury Secretary Mellon's suggested "leave-it-alone" approach. Critics, such as liberal economist Paul Krugman, on the other hand, accuse Hoover of sharing Mellon's laissez-faire viewpoint. His policies, however, had little or no effect. As the economy quickly deteriorated in the early years of the Great Depression, Hoover declined to pursue legislative relief, believing that it would make people dependent on the federal government. Instead, he organized a number of voluntary measures with businesses, encouraged state and local government responses, and accelerated federal building projects. Only toward the end of his term did he support a series of legislative solutions.
So Krugman's a noted lair on Hoover. Anyone surprised??
Congress approved the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act in 1930. The legislation, which raised tariffs on thousands of imported items, was signed into law by President Hoover in June 1930. The intent of the Act was to encourage the purchase of American-made products by increasing the cost of imported goods, while raising revenue for the federal government and protecting farmers. However, economic depression now spread through much of the world, and other nations increased tariffs on American-made goods in retaliation, reducing international trade, and worsening the Depression.
In order to pay for these and other government programs, Hoover agreed to one of the largest tax increases in American history. The Revenue Act of 1932 raised income tax on the highest incomes from 25% to 63%. The estate tax was doubled and corporate taxes were raised by almost 15%. Hoover also encouraged Congress to investigate the New York Stock Exchange, and this pressure resulted in various reforms.
National debt expressed as a fraction of gross national product climbs from 20% to 40% under Hoover. Franklin D. Roosevelt blasted the Republican incumbent for spending and taxing too much, increasing national debt, raising tariffs and blocking trade, as well as placing millions on the dole of the government. Roosevelt attacked Hoover for "reckless and extravagant" spending, of thinking "that we ought to center control of everything in Washington as rapidly as possible," and of leading "the greatest spending administration in peacetime in all of history." Roosevelt's running mate, John Nance Garner, accused the Republican of "leading the country down the path of socialism".
FDR condemning Hoover of thinking "that we ought to center control of everything in Washington as rapidly as possible," and of leading "the greatest spending administration in peacetime in all of history"?? FDR's running mate accusing someone else of "leading the country down the path of socialism"???
HA!!
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Mon Feb-09-09 05:09 PM
Original message
If Republicans had been in charge when America needed FDR's New Deal
Can you imagine if a Republican president had been in charge when America needed the New Deal?
Here are just some ideas of where we'd be today:
1. The Great Depression would have been over by 1934
Please feel free to add to this list.
Fixed!
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Some info on Hoover:
In the 1928 presidential race, Herbert Hoover was considered the "liberal" candidate, and the Democrat Alfred E. Nuema--er, Smith, was considered the "conservative" candidate.
I kid you not; it's in all the history books.