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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: ReardenSteel on February 08, 2009, 06:40:10 PM
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Sun Feb-08-09 07:07 AM
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Why Do Republicants Hate Education?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8178747
Hate = not spending someone else's money on it.
prostock69 (323 posts) Sun Feb-08-09 11:47 AM
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21. And there are less likely to be religious and be controlled by dogma
which in turn, makes it harder to control them.
This guy has me stumped. Which party is it again that is all about "control" through thought crime, progressive tax, death tax, economic regulation, minimum wage, maximum wage, anti-free trade, nationalization of banks, health care, energy etc etc, trans fat banning, smoking bans, telling you who you can hire, telling you how big a house you can own and how many and how you heat them and cool them and what kind of car you can drive and it's milage and who you can buy it from and on and on and on and on... (sorry I have to move on)
WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Sun Feb-08-09 07:14 AM
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4. Because they don't want the cogs to realize the wheel.
Deep. Or, it would be if it meant something anyway.
bridgit (1000+ posts) Sun Feb-08-09 11:01 AM
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15. Cause they only need Americans able to change a bit in a cordless drill *while* not knowing anything
It's a delicate balance and education only disrupts it
Callous disrespect of the working man? Check!
TeamJordan23 (1000+ posts) Sun Feb-08-09 11:05 AM
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16. More educated tend to become Democrats. nm
Interesting word usements you structure.
ensho (1000+ posts) Sun Feb-08-09 11:53 AM
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23. propaganda and subliminal ads work better on the undereducated
nt
Thank God for our propaganda free Public Schools then!
Mass (1000+ posts) Sun Feb-08-09 11:54 AM
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25. Because educated people can fight better for their interests.
Keeping the working class uneducated is the clue to keeping the system as it is.
It's the clue? Really? The clue you say.
Numba6 (26 posts) Sun Feb-08-09 12:59 PM
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27. mmmm Tax Cuts....
But A Tax Cut Won't Educate Your Child
No it will not. It does not depend at all on what you spend your tax cut on now does it?
Cha (1000+ posts) Sun Feb-08-09 01:34 PM
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30. That's an easy one..
They want to keep people dumbed down. And, their base, the corporatemediawhores will do that for them.
Corporate media whores Cha. It's three words.
LWolf (1000+ posts) Sun Feb-08-09 01:45 PM
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32. Independent thinkers don't follow the herd. nt
Said someone posting on, wait for it........ DU!
K Gardner (1000+ posts) Sun Feb-08-09 03:13 PM
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37. Their kids are either in private "christian" schools or home-schooled.
This is your answer to the question, "Why do Republicans hate education"???
Pisces (1000+ posts) Sun Feb-08-09 03:41 PM
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38. THey celebrate ignorance and fear intelligence.
That's an F Pisces. Next time show your work. See me after class! Also, astrology is pseudoscience crap.
PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Sun Feb-08-09 06:29 PM
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43. It levels the playing field
Competition is a bummer.
Cool. I found DU's lone surviving capitalist!!
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Oh my.
Rarely have so many primitives gotten so many things all wrong.
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This guy has me stumped. Which party is it again that is all about "control" through thought crime, progressive tax, death tax, economic regulation, minimum wage, maximum wage, anti-free trade, nationalization of banks, health care, energy etc etc, trans fat banning, smoking bans, telling you who you can hire, telling you how big a house you can own and how many and how you heat them and cool them and what kind of car you can drive and it's milage and who you can buy it from and on and on and on and on... (sorry I have to move on)
How else would they learn these things are "acceptable" and part of the "natural order" if not for indoctrination in a liberal education system
They're only upset because they're too stupid to realize that the dogma in education is their own.
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Mass (1000+ posts) Sun Feb-08-09 11:54 AM
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25. Because educated people can fight better for their interests.
Keeping the working class uneducated is the clue to keeping the system as it is.
But I thought all the working class people voted Democrat and the rich bastards voted Republican?!?
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Sun Feb-08-09 07:00 PM
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45. Because they want us stupid.
They want a nation of Joe The Plumbers. (I'm OK with that)
Smart people ask questions.(Like, "Your going to raise my taxes aren't you?") Smart people make demands. (Like, "Hands off my wallet hippy!") Smart people push for their own piece of the pie. (No, smart people earn it.) They demand fair wages, a middle class lifestyle, good education for their kids, decent heatlh care. (No. Again, they earn, earn, earn and earn it.)
They don't want smart. They want stupid. (Pure projection. It's you guys against anyone getting a non-union education)
Stupid people are serfs. (Yes. Yes you are. Good luck with that)
:whatever:
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WOW! Just WOW!
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Why Do Republicants Hate Education?
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cherish44 (206 posts) Sun Feb-08-09 01:32 PM
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29. Their base is uneducated white people
Edited on Sun Feb-08-09 01:32 PM by cherish44
nuff said.
And yet...
Why did Air America fail? (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5008050)
DailyGrind51 (1000+ posts) Sun Feb-08-09 08:47 AM
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7. Air America is losing ground in some markets, I believe, because
Progressives have jobs actually requiring attention. How many teachers, nurses, factory workers, clerical personnel, or retail workers can keep the radio on during the day? "Management" can pretty much do what it wants, when it wants, including listening to conservative talk-radio.
The republican base is uneducated white people...that are all in management. OK!! ::) :lmao:
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We don't hate education.
We hate what Libs have turned the education system into.
Big difference.
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We don't hate Education. In fact most condervatives are smarter then you Douchbags. We hate wasting good money on people that refuse to learn. They would rather deal drugs and destroy your childs life with them and other crimes. We also don't think that just because some asshole came across the border he has a right to free education at OUR taxpayers expense. 65 BILLION in tax nmoney goes to fund Illeagle aliens for not other reason then to make you ****heads feel good. If you want to waste money so bad you use your own DON"T use money that belongs to the people of the US.
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Public education is a great idea, maybe someday we will have it here instead of the wasteful, partisan group-think factories that pretend to the title now.
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The more I read the execrable drivel from the DU and read and hear similar things from the advocacy/adversary media, the more I realize that unity is no longer possible in America.
Thanks to the Clintons, then John Edwards, John Kerry, Howard Dean, Donna Brazile, Paul Begala, among others, as well as Barack Obama and his campaign and the advocacy/adversary media, the fracture is complete.
They fought hard to unleash the hatred that comes from cesspools such as DU, Daily Kos and others.
In doing so, they unmasked the religous, educational, gender and social racists that the Democrats, liberals and leftists became some time ago and still are.
And they cannot put, even if they wanted, those black-hearted genies back into the bottles from which they came.
Because hatred begets hatred. And racism of any sort begets more of the same.
As humans, these people are embarrassing. And dangerous.
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TeamJordan23 (1000+ posts) Sun Feb-08-09 11:05 AM
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16. More educated tend to become Democrats. nm
No, but more drop-outs tend to become Democrats.
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Dear Dummies,
Since all of your responses were pretty much the same, I'm assuming you were all educated in the public schools. The propaganda obviously works. So, let's have a little history lesson shall we? America didn't even have a public education system until the mid 1800's. Even then it was only mandatory in certain states. Massachusetts was the first, like that's a surprise. A group that included Horace Mann, John Dewey (considered the father of modern education), and the guy who thought up kindergarten whose name escapes me now, were greatly influenced by the SOCIALIST Prussian system of forced education. See, the SOCIALIST Prussian government believed if they could get children at an early enough age they would have a docile, obedient populace that would do whatever their government wanted. The SOCIALIST Prussian government believed individual thinking was dangerous.
You see, John Dewey isn't just the hero who made shelving library books easier, he and the education system he created is a very dangerous threat to our democracy. Unlike you "free thinkers" at DU, he believed (for a man who wasn't religious he said "I believe" an awful lot), “The mere absorption of facts and truths is so exclusively an individual affair that it tends very naturally to pass into selfishness. There is no obvious social motive for the acquirement of mere learning, there is no clear social gain in success thereat.†That was one of my favorite tag lines when I was homeschooling because it reminded me why I would NEVER put my child back in public school. But if that's too nuanced for you DUmmies try this: "Children who know how to think for themselves spoil the harmony of the collective society which is coming where everyone is interdependent." I won't even go into his admiration of Marx, his drafting of the Humanist Manifesto, or his role in the founding of the NEA because you'd probably think all that's just peachy.
His objection to having religion (i.e. The Bible) taught in school is because it promoted critical thinking. He believed history was unimportant because what other people did in the past had nothing to do with today. He's been pretty successful at that too, since in most schools social studies has replaced American History. I'll never forget, one day when we were discussing WWII, one of Jake's friends from public high school was over. Jake was telling me about one of the tougher battles in the Pacific Theater. His friend said, "Well, why didn't they just send in Teddy Roosevelt and the rough riders." To this day I shake my head when I think about it because this is a pretty sharp kid. And it's sad, really. It's hard to understand how truly exceptional your country is when you have no understanding of the INDIVIDUALS who helped shape her. I wanted more than that for my children and was lucky enough to be able to give them the education I thought they needed. I don't hate education. I hate government schools.
Cindie
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I'll remember how much I hate education when I apply to graduate school in a couple of years.
****ing fools... :bird:
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It's amazing how narrow-witted and dim sighted these fools are. Redstatecka, welcome to the party. I realized that no unification is possible any longer some time ago. If we wish to remain one country then each side is going to have to agree to go back to a states-right intrepretation of the constitution and agree to leave the other side alone for the most part.
Liberals, and other assorted statists, won't content themselves with that. No, now we have a situation where one side will gain power and attempt to wield it over the other side at the Federal level. History instructs that this can not, and will not hold.
This is dominant in education where the NEA and school districts target homeschooling because it directly affects how much funding they get from the federal government. They don't care about the education of the our children. They only care that an empty seat is money out of their pocket. The entire system needs to be highly privatized.
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:whatever:
Yeah, that was a good one wasn't it Rearden? While championing the working man, the simultaneously insult him as if to say it would be a terrible world if it was full of "Joe the Plumbers". :thatsright: Elitist pricks and I bet half over there that are educated use their education for exactly NOTHING while they type away their screeds on DU ie the working guy is far more productive then their big, gigantic educated heads put together.
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I've said, after my exposure to PhD.'s every day for thirteen years while I worked in the lab, that as knowledge trickles into one ear, common sense flows out of the other at a pressure that most big cities would be proud to have in their firehoses.
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Lot of damn projection in that thread. Tell me DUmmies, since education moved from being controlled by local areas to a prop used and controlled by the national left, where have educational standards moved, down or up? If you say up, well, I guess we really know who "hates" education.
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Hey DUmmies, do you know the definition of a Republican?
A Democrat who's been mugged by reality.
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Republicans hate indoctrination and brainwashing not education.
Could environmental education be crossing into environmental indoctrination? Some critics say yes, as schools boast that such curricula simply is teaching children ways of caring for the earth.
Being a "good" student at Western Avenue Elementary School in Flossmoor, Ill., means more than just doing reading, writing and arithmetic well. It also means trying to save the planet.
"It's really important to help the earth and save the polar bears," 9-year-old Duree Everett said, as she colored a "go green" sign at her desk.
The students are taking part in what's called "National Green Week," organized by the Green Education Foundation. Schools across the country are encouraged to teach children about recycling, global warming and carbon footprints.
"It's important to start creating habits now, while children are young, because it can add up over a lifetime to make huge monumental consequences to the environment," said Victoria Waters, president of the Green Education Foundation.
FNC (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,489591,00.html)
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"president of the Green Education Foundation."....is that another made-up position for the sole purpose of getting a salary....you know like..... "community organizer"
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Consevatives dont hate education, DUmmies. We hate what the left has done to it. Tell me DUmmies, for how may years have we, the taxpayers, been throwing money at the school system? Yet we are told it's never good enough. At what point do you wake up and realize that state-sponsored education is and has been an abject failure?
Oh, I forgot, you asswipes NEED a system that grinds out LIBwits.
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I've said, after my exposure to PhD.'s every day for thirteen years while I worked in the lab, that as knowledge trickles into one ear, common sense flows out of the other at a pressure that most big cities would be proud to have in their firehoses.
Been there, seen that, with Ph.D.s -- my post-Masters' and two professional registrations and publicatons still weren't good enough for their union -- in government and private industry.
Great comment re: pressure. H5.
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Republicans hate indoctrination and brainwashing not education.FNC (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,489591,00.html)
To liberals, indoctrination and brainwashing ARE education. Then again, they can't understand the difference between God and religion either.
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To liberals, indoctrination and brainwashing ARE education. Then again, they can't understand the difference between God and religion either.
H5
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I'm not against education, I'm against the teachers' unions. During my schooling years, I was fortunate to have had some very good teachers. There was one guy, though, who was a total creep and pervert, and furthermore treated his classroom as a nursery class. No work, nothing. BUT he had tenure. The parents fought this guy for YEARS. Also, when I student taught, my lead teacher would spend her class times reading novels (to herself) and writing personal letters. I quit the teaching raquet.
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Don't have time to research a closer test to before the lib-nazis got in charge of public edumication but I have $100 that says not more than 3% of the DUchebags could pass this:
http://people.moreheadstate.edu/fs/w.willis/eighthgrade.html
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Oh my.
Rarely have so many primitives gotten so many things all wrong.
well, when you start at a fallacy your not likely to find truth in the DU wonderland
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Don't have time to research a closer test to before the lib-nazis got in charge of public edumication but I have $100 that says not more than 3% of the DUchebags could pass this:
http://people.moreheadstate.edu/fs/w.willis/eighthgrade.html
I wonder how many people in America, today, could pass this test, be they Democrat, DUer, Republican, conservative, educated or edumacated?
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Hate = not spending someone else's money on it.
It also means not supporting the NEAs monopoly on indoctrination and brainwashing of children.
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Personally, I don't find where the COTUS grants the power to the Federal government to create a Department of Education.
I'm a firm advocate of the Enumerated Powers Act.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-1359
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Why Do Republicants Hate the sludge we currently call "Education?"
School Clams Up on 'Gay' Pledge Cards Given to Kindergartners
A California school system refuses to say what action, if any, it will take after it received complaints about a kindergarten teacher who encouraged her students to sign "pledge cards" in support of gays.
(http://www.foxnews.com/images/457948/0_62_pledge_320.jpg)
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Brad Dacus, president of Pacific Justice Institute, the group representing Voelker, said parents at the Faith Ringgold School weren't notified of what was going to take place in the classroom.
He said that teaching students as young as pre-school about gay, lesbian and transgender issues is common in California, but that there are "all kinds of material the average parent could find highly objectionable or potentially harmful" to their children.
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"How do you teach a 5-year-old to sign a pledge card for lesbian, gay and transgender issues without explaining what transgender and bisexual is?" asked Sonja Eddings Brown, a spokeswoman for Protect Marriage California.
Because you and your moron buddies have destroyed it (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,445865,00.html)!
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brain washing and indoctrination . . . .
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Oh my.
Rarely have so many primitives gotten so many things all wrong.
I Dunno Frank! Seems to me this is an ongoing phenom over at the DUmp!
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Public education is a great idea, maybe someday we will have it here instead of the wasteful, partisan group-think factories that pretend to the title now.
Ya know Tank, we used to have that. Back when we were just a young country, each little town across the west/midWest, had the little school house. If you take a drive across Red State country, off the beaten trail, you can still find them. Most are perched atop of a hill, where you can identify them for miles around. Ever seen the highschool graduation test from the early 1900's? It's incredible! Not a chance I could have passed it!
Wasn't until the unions we started getting stupid! Big surprise! The students then were a heck of a lot smarter than the teachers of today!
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brain washing and indoctrination . . . .
The Hell you say! Never happen in the good old U.S. of A.
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btw- high five :-)