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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on February 06, 2009, 08:37:09 AM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4993715
Oh my.
But one's very happy it all worked out well.
Congratulations to the sparkling husband primitive.
Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-06-09 08:19 AM
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How I quit smoking ........
..... It has been two years since I had a heart attack and a month or two less since I quit smoking. In light of all the recent smoking threads, I thought I'd share my rather unusual quitting method. This worked for me. I have no idea if it will work for anyone else. But maybe it will.
My heart attack resulted in nothing more that the placing of five stents, the prescription of a boatload of meds, and instructions about changing my diet and lifestyle.
Like anyone else, I was a basket case, emotionally, in the days and weeks immediately following. But that also gave me the key to quitting smoking. I developed a totally irrational fear that, were I to run, or jump, or even walk heavily, the stents would fall out and lodge somewhere south of my knees. I pictured my insides in much the same way a cartoon would. Complete with imaginary cartoon graphics. This kept me pretty much in the fetal position on the couch for the better part of two weeks, chewing Klonopin for the extreme anxiety. (You don't know me, but this is completely out of character for me.)
Through all of this, I am getting up and going out ....... to SMOKE.
What the hell?????
My daughter-in-law, who is a cardiac recovery nurse who takes care of patients in the minutes and hours after they get out of cardiac surgery, was an angel and with me, literally, from the time she met Sparkly in the ER when I went to the hospital.
I asked her about the immediate effect of having a smoke. I had the sense that the rush we feel when we take that first drag had to be not all good.
That 'rush', it turns out, is the result of our arteries dilating. Less blood flow everywhere. the actual buzz comes from the arteries feeding the brain, but the heart gets the same sort of hit.
Reduced blood flow is precisely why I had my heart attack.
And I'm smoking again?
I'm a moron.
My mine went to work. I imagined my arteries as big, cartoon rubber hoses being held in many hands. As I take a drag, I imagine the hands squeezing off the flow in these arterial hoses, just like we squeeze off the flow in a hose in the summer time. SQUOOOOSSSSSHHHTTTT!! FUMP!!
No flow! "I'll make it" "I bet I live through this" "Oh My God I Am Going To Die" "My Blood Flow Has Stopped"
That same cartoon view of my innards.
In my head, that whole silly cartoon played out non stop. Of course I knew it was a cartoon. But I also knew my mind had constructed it as a visualization of the actual facts.
Soon enough, the idea of squeezed off arteries - cartoonish though it started - became my personal fear factor. Every rush of a new butt was proof it was real.
I lost my taste for them soon after.
I have been totally smoke free with no relapse and no desire to relapse, ever since. I still have cravings. They come out of nowhere. But they are easy to sublimate and last only seconds. And I haven't even had one of those for a few months now.
I had tried all the usual ways to quit.
None worked.
But my simple, clownish brain worked out its own way when faced with the need.
Smokers ...... I don't hate you and I would never, ever presume to condemn you. I know you won't quit until you decide that you want to quit. You'll get no cluck clucking judgments from me. But neither do I welcome you. Leave it outside. My world is so smoke free that I can't even stand the smell of it anymore. But that's me. Not you. I **really** do understand you. I was you for more than 50 years (I started smoking at age seven.) I understand and wish you nothing but the best.
Again, congratulations to the sparkling husband primitive--but who now's going to pay for 0bama's health program that just passed Congress?
Earth_First (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-06-09 08:24 AM
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1. I have set a quit-date of my 30th birthday next month...
I am going to try the Chantix method.
I'm so glad to hear that you've quit! Good luck!
Here's to better health for the both of us!
franksolich too doesn't want to be supportive of 0bama's health program, and so is quitting.....sometime. The trick is to quit at the "right time"--something to do with biorhythms or something like that.
The primitive formerly known as the "Vash the Stampede" primitive:
Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-06-09 08:27 AM
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3. Make sure it's covered by your insurance.
Otherwise you'll get sticker shock (the whole program costs more than a grand). I had that happy surprise a month and a half ago.
ejpoeta (593 posts) Fri Feb-06-09 08:31 AM
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5. yep, we found that out when my husband went to get the script filled over $100 for a month, and NO coverage. so that ended that.
Whatttttt???????
The primitives bother getting healthy only if insurance or the taxpayer pays for it?
lunatica (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-06-09 08:57 AM
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14. Compare the sticker price to how much you spend on cigarettes
That should help if the price of a drug to quit smoking is high. Cigarettes are pretty expensive, and in today's economy if you can stop buying cigarettes that's another benefit economically.
Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-06-09 09:09 AM
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17. Well, frankly, I don't smoke that much.
2 packs per week, maximum. It's way, way, way cheaper for me to keep smoking. I can see, however, for many people it would be worth it regardless. Plus, you're not considering the difference between laying out the money up front and paying for it a little at a time. If you don't have the $400 upfront fee, it doesn't matter whether or not it's a long term investment.
Not trying to be critical of you, and I do indeed appreciate the nature of the post. I just wanted to say it's not quite that simple.
I'm sure it's more than two packages a week, maximum.
Pharaoh (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-06-09 08:31 AM
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4. Zyban really helped me
The nicorrette lozenges also were helpful at first,
Don't hesitate to ask for support earth_first!
Maybe we should have a stop smoking forum?
I would think the support might be good
Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-06-09 08:33 AM
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6. We have such a DU group, but it moves very slowly. Here's the link:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Oh my. franksolich just discovered a new forum on Skins's island.
After which the primitives discuss using pharmaceutical means to quit smoking.
Pharaoh (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-06-09 08:27 AM
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2. Good for you Stinky!
I will be 4 months quit on feb 12th.
It has been a long struggle, I had quit for over a year and slid back again.
I don't appreciate the 20 pounds I've put on , but I too was facing death.
Fear is a great motivator
Fear's a wonderful motivator, especially fear of supporting 0bama's health program.
Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-06-09 08:43 AM
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8. It took an upper respiratory infection to make me finally quit smoking. I'm an asthmatic AND I had an URI AND I was still trying to smoke. I say trying because I would take one drag and cough for 5 minutes. I had it all worked out. While I was coughing, I would put out the cigarette so I wouldn't waste any. When the coughing fit was over, I'd light up and the whole cycle would start all over again. I mean, really, can it get any more insane?
At one point I ran out of cigarettes and I thought, "Well, I can go get a new carton OR I can go get the patch." I chose the patch and, for me, it worked like a charm. About 6 months later I had to get a 'script for some Wellbutrin because my cravings, out of nowhere, were like I was on Day 2 of a quit-smoking campaign and I was doing it cold turkey. Weird. But the Wellbutrin did what it was supposed to do and I remain smoke-free 5 years later. I smoked for 35 years.
One more thing: I tried to quit smoking probably 20 times, maybe more. But all it took was ONE time to succeed. So smokers, if you've tried in the past and failed, just keep trying. Use whatever method works for you. The OP found his/her method, I found mine and you can find yours. Try EVERYTHING but please, keep trying.
eilen (900 posts) Fri Feb-06-09 08:45 AM
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9. Great post, good for you!
just a little quibble. When you smoke, your blood vessels don't dilate (dilate means to get larger), instead, they constrict. Constricted = get narrower. But you had the right idea after that. That raises your blood pressure which can cause some damage to the vessels in addition to not providing enough or as much oxygen to the cells of your organs (including your brain). The brain gets served first, that's the body's rule. It is not unusual for the legs to hurt when walking due to the damage in the blood vessels from this and the cyclic or chronic oxygen starvation to the nerves.
My parents were both heavy smokers, my mother still is and she can't get across the room with out getting out of breath. My dad had vessel disease and stents placed in his heart too but it was the lung cancer that got him. Out of the three of us kids, only my brother smokes still.
Some people are very fixed and find it extremely difficult to change, their personalities are not flexible, it is just not part of their character. I do not fault them for not being able to quit, I feel sorry for them because it is like being in a prison. Smoking is so addictive and there is no good detox and recovery program for it like there is for other drugs. It is legal and the states feed off it for funding which I find morally indefensible, especially as the funds are not used to help smokers recover.
I have taken care of lots of cancer patients and a large number do not quit smoking. Times of great stress and anxiety are not always the most optimum time.
Anyway, I wanted again to congratulate you. I quit in my 20's and it resulted in a similar response to the smell of cigarette smoke-- I became very hypersensitive to it and it turned my stomach.
Kalyke (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-06-09 09:01 AM
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16. I don't want to quit because it's even harder for me to lose weight.
Men can seem to quit without gaining much weight, but women balloon up like, well, a zeppelin when they do.
I have had two large children, two C-sections and now am battling to loose skin/fat collected around my stomach and chest from these children (and I know it was from that - even my doctors have told me). I can't lose a pound. I can go on a diet, strict, for a month and not lose one ounce. I've had thyroid checks, diabetes checks - everything.
But, if I quit smoking - as I've done before (with both pregnancies and once on my own before returning) I always gain weight that I can never take off.
I'm not horrendously overweight now, but I would be if I quit. Therefore, for me, it's six one way and half a dozen the other. Either die from a lung disease or die from obesity. Sigh.
Uh-huh.
franksolich's issue is that smoking is a great stress reliever, a great mellower.
A smoking franksolich is a nice guy, one of the nicest guys one can hope to meet.
A non-smoking franksolich can be a real bitch.
Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-06-09 09:10 AM
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18. I have a similar issue, actually ......
That part remains unresolved.
My doc wants me at 190. He's okay with 200. I'm at 208 and have been for over a year and can't lose that last 8 pounds.
Wow.
My "picture" of the sparkling husband primitive's always been that of a scrawny hen-pecked thinning-hair little guy, not a 200-pound behemoth.
Perhaps it would help if the sparkling husband primitive quit dining out at fancy restaurants, and quit cooking fancy foods in his own kitchen, sticking with only the basics?
The sparkling husband primitive, being a Democrat, liberal, 0bamaite, and primitive, surely feels care and compassion for all those in the world starving, and it should be an easy matter of adjusting his conscience to feel guilty about his fine dining.
lunatica (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-06-09 09:15 AM
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19. I get what you're talking about but your priorities are skewed
Being thin is not that all important, all consuming, or all anything. Take a good look at people in your life around you who are overweight by your standards. Are they less human? Less deserving of the right to pursue happiness? Are they un-American? Are they less decent? If you hate them for being fat, or overweight then you are as prejudiced as if you hate people for being black or aliens or gay.
Smoking to stay thin is really bad for you on all levels.
The primitive once known as the "Texas Explorer" primitive:
Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-06-09 09:16 AM
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20. Here's how I quit:
I decided, upon a compendium of the evidence that cigarettes are bad for one's health and a growing personal disgust with them, to set them down. For good.
That was a single day some 12 years ago and I never looked back.
We'll see.
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How to quit smoking for the chronic chainsmoker.
Locate a large healthy oak tree (or other), remove all flamable materials, limbs, rocks and sharp objects for a radius of 40 feet around tree. Purchase 40 feet of 1/2" steel log chain (not cheap China made chain) and 2 large padlocks. Buy 2 large bags of dogfood or 3 cases of canned dogfood and fill 55 gallon barrel with water and place under oak tree. Now have wife or good friend chain and lock you to the tree, promising not to return for 3 weeks.
Guaranteed to work for at least 3 weeks or your money back.
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How to quit smoking for the chronic chainsmoker.
Locate a large healthy oak tree (or other), remove all flamable materials, limbs, rocks and sharp objects for a radius of 40 feet around tree. Purchase 40 feet of 1/2" steel log chain (not cheap China made chain) and 2 large padlocks. Buy 2 large bags of dogfood or 3 cases of canned dogfood and fill 55 gallon barrel with water and place under oak tree. Now have wife or good friend chain and lock you to the tree, promising not to return for 3 weeks.
Guaranteed to work for at least 3 weeks or your money back.
That's basically it, sir.
I'm going to be especially interested as I "monitor" my own reactions.
But it's got to be done; I don't want to be enriching the 0bamareich.
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I still question wether tobacco is actually addicting. Personally I believe the action is the addiction more so than the tobacco. Quiting smoking takes will power not withdrawl. habits are a learned behavior and have to be unlearned. While that is happening some discomfort will be experienced,that is where the will power or lack thereof come into play as to success or failure.
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That's basically it, sir.
I'm going to be especially interested as I "monitor" my own reactions.
But it's got to be done; I don't want to be enriching the 0bamareich.
Frank here's how it'll go down:
Day 1- Not to bad....a little nervous.
Day2- You're light headed...feel dizzy and head isn't screwed on quite right.
Day3- Sense of balance off....feet feel like you're wearing washtubs.
Day4- You start wondering if this or that will burn.
Day5- You need 'smoke' so bad you volunteer to work for free at the fire station.
Day6- You keep matches or a lighter in your hand at all times just in case you find something that'll burn. You're called a firebug.
Day7- You cause a new 'old saying', "Anywhere there's smoke, there's Frank."
Day8- You're accused of burning the neighbors hay barn.
Day9- You're called a stalker because you follow Mrs. Harpers smoking '63 Ford Falcon everywhere it goes.
Day10- You buy a carton of cigarettes, a pack of 4 lighters and a used oil barrel. You climb in the barrel and pull lid over the top to trap all the smoke and light up.... promising yourself you're only going to have ONE......and just like LAYS potato chips, no one can have just one......you exit the barrel sick as a dog.
....or join the MARINES. They were able to keep me away from a ciggie for 7 whole weeks.......taking Iwo Jima singlehanded would probably have been easier...... :rotf:
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I still question wether tobacco is actually addicting. Personally I believe the action is the addiction more so than the tobacco. Quiting smoking takes will power not withdrawl. habits are a learned behavior and have to be unlearned. While that is happening some discomfort will be experienced,that is where the will power or lack thereof come into play as to success or failure.
My personal experience with smoking - then not smoking - then smoking - then not smoking, and so on, fits in with your theory. Sure, I'd be a little grumpy for a couple days when I gave it up, but the addiction - to the extremely limited extent to which I have one - is to a set of behaviors, not to a substance.
Just remember kids; quitters never win and winners never quit.
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Obama just signed SCHIP into law and will use tobacco taxes to pay for it. Without smokers the poor children won't have any funding for their healthcare.
WHY DO THESE EX-SMOKERS HATE POOR CHILDREN?!?!
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I quit almost 5 months ago. Cold turkey. I went 5 years last time I quit - started back due to extreme stress (sister was murdered). It is a great stress reliever and mellowing of the mood item for me. It just was to the point that the cost was so high per pack ...and I can be a little bit of a skinflint...that finally did it in for me. Local store tried to charge me $38.50 before tax for a carton, I walked out and have not purchased a pack yet. It was not easy once what nicotine I had built up in my system was depleted but, I gritted my teeth and got by. By the end of the 2nd month, I was pretty much as 'mellow' as I was when smoking.
Glad I did, would hate to try it again.
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My personal experience with smoking - then not smoking - then smoking - then not smoking, and so on, fits in with your theory. Sure, I'd be a little grumpy for a couple days when I gave it up, but the addiction - to the extremely limited extent to which I have one - is to a set of behaviors, not to a substance.
Just remember kids; quitters never win and winners never quit.
Yep. It's been 3yrs give or take since I quit smoking. There are times when even though I have nocraving whatsoever for a smoke I catch myself lifting my hand to my shirt pocket to grab a smoke that isn't there anymore. After spending 30 plus yrs of subconscience reaction to certain conscience actions you definately feel funny not performing those actions anymore. That's discomfort not addiction. It's not addiction that prevents folks from quiting it's lack of will power.
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I started smoking again after I got laid off a couple of weeks ago.
I had only quit about a month before and the boredom got the best of me.
I'll try quitting again once I find another job.
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I'm a moron.
Stinky the Clown speaks truth to power. Or something.