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The Bar => The Lounge => Topic started by: Rebel on January 26, 2009, 06:16:36 PM
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Anyone have any experience with these? My parents need one for their Lhasa that I gave them a while back. They're also getting one of these mini-dogs when they get bigger.
(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h228/burnsk73/Bella%20Pups%202/IMG_0634.jpg)
(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h228/burnsk73/Bella%20Pups%202/IMG_0631.jpg)
This is the little hellion that now have:
(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h228/burnsk73/Bellas%20Pups/PA050051.jpg)
...and her brother and sister went to my brother-in-law and sister-in-law and their kids:
(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h228/burnsk73/Bellas%20Pups/IMG_0610.jpg)
(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h228/burnsk73/Bellas%20Pups/IMG_0609.jpg)
Their puppy pics:
(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h228/burnsk73/Bellas%20Pups/P1010264.jpg)
So, my parents have 3.3 acres, but the fence doesn't have to be around the entire yard. Anyone know how much they cost?
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About $100 to fence a perimeter that size.
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I don't know anything about them, but they look an awful lot like the vicious dog that attacked that former French president dude.
Are you sure none of them are clinically depressed? Could be dangerous. :-)
link (http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,21040.0/highlight,french+president.html)
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Training them to it takes a lot of patience and effort. We got one for our Rottie a number of years ago, and while she was an incredibly smart dog, she didn't take to it very fast. She'd often hit it, then shock her, and she'd freak and run up and down the entire perimeter getting shocked the whole time.
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Victoria from "It's Me Or The Dog" would NOT approve. :p
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We adopted a 7 yo Shepard/lab mix over the summer and she took to the fence w/o much trouble - you have to stick to the training routine that took about 3 weeks. Over the course of a month or two she would get shocked from time to time. I can't remember the last time she zapped herself.
Yes I did shock myself and yes it is one hell of a jolt - do a search on youtube and you'll get an idea. But your dogs'll have a lower power collar.
Cost was about $230 plus the $70 for 4 hours RENTING AN EDGER at home depot. I stressed the edger part because you do not want to try and dig it in by hand. Another tip if you pull the edger backwards instead of pushing you get a perfect slice in the ground - though you will get a lot of dirt i n your face.
Took most of a weekend - my neighbor owns the local Toyota dealership and he bought the actual "Invisible Fence" spent over $2,200 for somebody else to do the work. He says "They also do the training." That's a lot of money to dig a small trench and have someone you don't know electrocute your dog(s).
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Man, I thought this was about an "invisible" fence we were putting up at our Southern border. :-) Dang it!!
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Man, I thought this was about an "invisible" fence we were putting up at our Southern border. :-) Dang it!!
No, that one will come with 20MM chain guns operated by motion detectors. :evillaugh:
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About $100 to fence a perimeter that size.
Odin, I'm a little skeptical on that price. 100 bucks for the unit, the collar, and the wire to surround 3.3 acres? You can't even get speaker wire that cheap.
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No, that one will come with 20MM chain guns operated by motion detectors. :evillaugh:
Where I do I send money? :-)
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Odin, I'm a little skeptical on that price. 100 bucks for the unit, the collar, and the wire to surround 3.3 acres? You can't even get speaker wire that cheap.
http://www.bestnest.com/bestnest/RTProduct.asp?SKU=FIS-FW-00001
http://www.bestnest.com/bestnest/RTProduct.asp?SKU=FIS-SS-525CS
Now, if ya'll are going the proximity collar route, I'm not sure on the prices for that.
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I stressed the edger part because you do not want to try and dig it in by hand.
+1
Of course, some dogs just don't seem to take to it. My roommates lab, which was a great dog, but perhaps not the brightest... was just never able to grasp it. They do usually work pretty good though :cheersmate:
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http://www.bestnest.com/bestnest/RTProduct.asp?SKU=FIS-FW-00001
http://www.bestnest.com/bestnest/RTProduct.asp?SKU=FIS-SS-525CS
Now, if ya'll are going the proximity collar route, I'm not sure on the prices for that.
You misread, Odin. I'm not talking about an electric fence. I'm referring to an invisible fence.
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I have an invisible fence for my dog. We have over 3 acres and I needed to keep her on our property. It is the best damn thing we have done. It took about 3 weeks to have her fully trained but it was much easier than potty training, if you ask me. She has never been happier since I had it put in. She can run and enjoy being out doors and I don't have to worry about her out here in the country. It has completely changed her demeanor and her obedience. She comes quickly when I call her and she is much more attentive.
That is just my experience.
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I have an invisible fence for my dog. We have over 3 acres and I needed to keep her on our property. It is the best damn thing we have done. It took about 3 weeks to have her fully trained but it was much easier than potty training, if you ask me. She has never been happier since I had it put in. She can run and enjoy being out doors and I don't have to worry about her out here in the country. It has completely changed her demeanor and her obedience. She comes quickly when I call her and she is much more attentive.
That is just my experience.
How much?
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I have an invisible fence for my dog. We have over 3 acres and I needed to keep her on our property. It is the best damn thing we have done. It took about 3 weeks to have her fully trained but it was much easier than potty training, if you ask me. She has never been happier since I had it put in. She can run and enjoy being out doors and I don't have to worry about her out here in the country. It has completely changed her demeanor and her obedience. She comes quickly when I call her and she is much more attentive.
That is just my experience.
We noticed a huge attitude improvement as well. I only know of one time when she zapped herself to the wrong side of the fence. She just sat at the end of our driveway barking for us to let her back in.
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How much?
Our perimeter fence was just over $100. Lifetime maintenance and batteries for the collar.
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My former neighbor put one in on his 5 acres. It never worked. The dogs were huge and just ran right through it. Once out, they would have to be zapped on the way back in, so they'd just stay out....and tear up my yard instead of their own. I'm glad the idgit moved away.
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My former neighbor put one in on his 5 acres. It never worked. The dogs were huge and just ran right through it. Once out, they would have to be zapped on the way back in, so they'd just stay out....and tear up my yard instead of their own. I'm glad the idgit moved away.
We had trouble with the standard collar and upgraded to the "stubborn dog" collar the takes a 9 volt, multiple levels of "taze" :tazeme: and it not only beeps when the dog gets too close it vibrates, letting the dog know to back off. They do make small collars for smaller dogs.
Sounds like your neighbor didn't train the dogs all the way and just assumed they would stop when shocked.
Rebel: I found our old box again I think it was $230 +/- but it is the PetSafe brand; found both online and in stores. An extra roll of 500 yds of wire cost $25 (or $12 @ home depot for the same stuff)
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There's also a radio fence that one puts in their house and then places a collar on the dog. When the dog gets out of range, it'll activate the collar. No wires. If I recall, it has about a 90ft radius.
Here's the standard invisible fence: http://www.radiofence.com/dog-fences/petsafe-stubborn-dog-fence.htm
Here's the wireless version: http://www.gundogsonline.com/petsafe-dog-collars/petsafe-instant-fence.html
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OMG. You gheyed that little dog right up.
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OMG. You gheyed that little dog right up.
You need to talk to Christy, my sister-in-law. She brought them over when she brought Lexie and Travis over to trick or treat.
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My former neighbor put one in on his 5 acres. It never worked. The dogs were huge and just ran right through it. Once out, they would have to be zapped on the way back in, so they'd just stay out....and tear up my yard instead of their own. I'm glad the idgit moved away.
Yep, sounds like they didn't train the dog correctly.
The company I used came out and installed the fence and then showed me how to train her.
She is a small dog. You have to be consistant but it will work, especially the younger they are and more trainable they are.
Our Great Dane doesn't have a collar. He never leaves the property and with the little one on the fence she keeps him right in line. LOL Make sure you read up on the breed to see what training method is most effective with them and then if you are going to do the fence yourself makes sure you do everything thoroughly. If you get it in successfully you will LOVE the freedom and so will your dogs!!
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I am definitely glad for this thread. I need to find a way to keep our golden retriever out of the pond (she loves to eat the algae, which then makes her sick). That's in the summer. In the winter, the ice may not be thick enough and I don't want her out wandering around on it. She weighs almost 60 lbs. now and that's enough to go ker-plunk.
I didn't want to put up an ugly-assed fence, so I'm considering the invisible fence idea. Training Belle won't be a problem. We've been pretty good about training her and she responds well.
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I am definitely glad for this thread. I need to find a way to keep our golden retriever out of the pond (she loves to eat the algae, which then makes her sick). That's in the summer. In the winter, the ice may not be thick enough and I don't want her out wandering around on it. She weighs almost 60 lbs. now and that's enough to go ker-plunk.
I didn't want to put up an ugly-assed fence, so I'm considering the invisible fence idea. Training Belle won't be a problem. We've been pretty good about training her and she responds well.
Beauty about it is, you can turn it off. During the summer, when she's eating algae, you probably want to turn it off. ...and, on those hot days, she can take a dip. Last thing you want is for her not to know how to swim. My dad has a different problem. A hellion for a dog that likes to run from him (Still VERY young), and dumbass f'n morons who like to drive 60 MPH down a dead-end cove. We had a Bull Mastiff that became damn near crippled because of this, and a neighbor who became damn near dead.
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Beauty about it is, you can turn it off. During the summer, when she's eating algae, you probably want to turn it off. ...and, on those hot days, she can take a dip. Last thing you want is for her not to know how to swim. My dad has a different problem. A hellion for a dog that likes to run from him (Still VERY young), and dumbass f'n morons who like to drive 60 MPH down a dead-end cove. We had a Bull Mastiff that became damn near crippled because of this, and a neighbor who became damn near dead.
We've concluded that allowing her to swim in the pond is not a good idea although, if time allows and we're there to supervise, she can go in. We hose her off afterwards (pond water stinks).
We're also fairly certain that there's a water moccasin or two in the pond. But she does get opportunities to swim at dog parks that have better-quality lakes.
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There's also a radio fence that one puts in their house and then places a collar on the dog. When the dog gets out of range, it'll activate the collar. No wires. If I recall, it has about a 90ft radius.
Here's the standard invisible fence: http://www.radiofence.com/dog-fences/petsafe-stubborn-dog-fence.htm
Here's the wireless version: http://www.gundogsonline.com/petsafe-dog-collars/petsafe-instant-fence.html
This is a good idea: http://www.radiofence.com/dog-fences/above-ground-dog-fence-installation.htm
No digging to bury wires.
I remember when Invsible fence first came out about 30 years ago, it ended up not being very popular and the kits could be found in surplus catalogs. Then the franchise instalers stated to get really popular in the late 90's
Do the dogs still give a painful scream when being shocked?
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We have our dog trained to poo in one area. When you get the fence does your dog poo everywhere or still in the area they did before getting the fence?
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We have our dog trained to poo in one area. When you get the fence does your dog poo everywhere or still in the area they did before getting the fence?
It depends on where the fence is placed.
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We have our dog trained to poo in one area. When you get the fence does your dog poo everywhere or still in the area they did before getting the fence?
Our dog poos more in the yard but only because she spands more time outside and we never trained her to go in one area.
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It depends on where the fence is placed.
The fenced area will include what she now uses as her bathroom. I really want one (the fence) but hubby doesn't want to be stepping in poop all over the yard.
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The fenced area will include what she now uses as her bathroom. I really want one (the fence) but hubby doesn't want to be stepping in poop all over the yard.
As long as the pooping area is far away enough from the warning zone of the fence, it shouldn't affect anything. That said, I'm no expert in these matters. YMMV
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When greyhounds are adopted, there's a clause saying you will never use an invisible fence with them. They run so fast that they're through it and then won't return.
I had a bad experience with a dog that attacked my first greyhound. The owners didn't train the dog well and let the batteries go dead. Yet they left an aggressive dog outside with no one home. It eventually led to my greyhound's death.
Now I have a privacy fence, so they can safely play outside. The one thing to consider with an invisible fence is that other dogs w/o the collar can come onto your property. The dog inside that invisible fence is a sitting duck as they can't escape without getting shocked. For small pets, coyotes (if you have them in your area) can easily get on the property. A former neighbor lost a small dog to a coyote. (and this was just in the 'burbs).
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When greyhounds are adopted, there's a clause saying you will never use an invisible fence with them. They run so fast that they're through it and then won't return.
That's essentially what happened with my roommate's lab. The poor boy would see a squirrel, rabbit, cat, what have you just outside the "line"... run full force, forget about it, be shocked, and than would be too scared to return! As long as there wasn't something that just so captivated his attention he'd forget, he'd remember the limits and stay within. Sigh, labs are great, but as puppies... just not always the brightest :thatsright:
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We never leave the dog home alone outside with the collar on for just that reason. People that don't take care of their animals will find any excuse to be dirtbags - invisible fence or not.
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In our case, we have a physical fence (16' cattle panels on T-poles) that encloses a huge yard - probably close to an acre - and the pond. I'm looking for a non-physical barrier to keep the dog out of the pond, unless we allow her to take a dip. Even then, I'm a little nervous about that because of the possibility of water moccasins. I've seen at least one black snake, but I don't know if it's a water moccasin or not.
The invisible fence seems like a perfect solution (and probably cheaper) than more cattle panels, concrete, T-posts, and gates that we'd need to enclose just the pond.