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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: VivisMom on January 22, 2009, 08:15:33 PM
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The topic starts off with a simple question:
NoodleBoy (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-15-04 05:03 AM
Original message
Just wondering: why are you pro-choice?
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I'd been on the fence before, but the tipping point for me was hearing the horror stories of back-alley procedures. Learning other things since then has just reinfored it.
There's this lovely gem:
TaleWgnDg (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-03-04 04:00 AM
Response to Reply #1
51. I am pro-choice: why?
1. My daughter is not a forced breeder.
2. My wife is not a forced breeder.
3. My mother is not a forced breeder.
4. My sisters are not forced breeders.
5. GOVERNMENT SHOULD NEVER FORCE ANY WOMAN TO BREED.
But then...
TruthNik (7 posts) Fri Jan-16-09 11:38 PM
Response to Reply #142
162. Anarchist
Cupcake,
By your logic, you would support the right for child rape even though you were personally against it. You would support the right of someone to harm one your family members even though you were personally against it? I'm using these examples to illustrate the flaws in your reasoning.
Plug some different words into your argument, "Personally I support slavery, but I wouldn't own one myself."
Is this truly how you see yourself? Even if right now you don't see an embryo as a human being, you certainly recognize that it is a destructive act - an act of violence against a "thing." That "thing" happens to grow into a child.
I apologize if I'm twisting or mis-interpreting your reasoning. If I've read you wrong, please clarify.
Your obligatory 'it's a troll!!!!1111' post, courtesy uppityperson:
uppityperson (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-18-09 01:43 PM
Response to Reply #162
164. "That "thing" happens to grow into a child."??
Edited on Sun Jan-18-09 01:52 PM by uppityperson
Am I right in thinking you are one of those who also see a bowl of milk, eggs, butter, sugar and flour as a "potential" cake?
I would welcome you to DU, but after reading your 3 posts here, you seem to be very much against the choice of a legal abortion.
TruthNik (7 posts) Sun Jan-18-09 08:25 PM
Response to Reply #164
168. Still Welcome?
Hi UppityPerson,
I hope this isn't a kumbya campfire for only like-minded people, I'm hoping for reasoned discussion.
May I ask a question: "Why would a woman have an abortion if she's not pregnant?"
Just to help you out, here's the definitions from merriam-webster:
abortion: the termination of a pregnancy after, accompanied by, resulting in, or closely followed by the death of the embryo or fetus.
embryo: the developing human individual from the time of implantation to the end of the eighth week after conception
pregnant: containing a developing embryo, fetus, or unborn offspring within the body
What part of this "cake" is potential? Please - rational, reasoned responses only.
ppityperson (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-18-09 08:35 PM
Response to Reply #168
169. You can and did ask a question.
"why would a woman have an abortion if she's not pregnant?"
Because asparagus isn't usually purple?
Makes as much sense as your question.
Now, a question for you. Do you believe women should have the right to chose a legal abortion rather than just a back alley one?
As far as the "cake" goes, that is in reply to your comment: "That "thing" happens to grow into a child." As with the cake ingredients, no, it doesn't always "happen to grow into a child".
You can make cake ingredients into a child? Why did nobody tell me this before? Is this new? Did I miss a memo?
TruthNik (7 posts) Sun Jan-18-09 09:04 PM
Response to Reply #169
173. Puppy Dog or Whale?
Hi uppityperson,
What else has a human embryo grown into in the mothers womb? Please, an honest answer would suffice here.
I'll respectfully answer your second question, but I'd like to hear your answer on this point first.
Sincerely,
TruthNik
Sadly, TruthNik seems to have jumped ship from Crazy Town. I was just getting to like him.
linky (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=217x40)
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TruthNik (7 posts) Sun Jan-18-09 08:25 PM
Response to Reply #164
168. Still Welcome?
Hi UppityPerson,
I hope this isn't a kumbya campfire for only like-minded people, I'm hoping for reasoned discussion.
:rotf:
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That was a short suicide run.....
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How would they be forced ? Thats makes zero sense.
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Adbot, my hero, is promoting adoption. Awesome!
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Watch the entire thing, or start at minute 2:32. I'd watch the entire thing. 2:32 he addresses this issue and pwns a lib.
[youtube=425,350]nHvNddalwUY[/youtube]
BTW, all of 'Zo's videos can be seen here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/machosauceproduction
Damn, I wish he'd post more here.
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Watch the entire thing, or start at minute 2:32. I'd watch the entire thing. 2:32 he addresses this issue and pwns a lib.
[youtube=425,350]nHvNddalwUY[/youtube]
BTW, all of 'Zo's videos can be seen here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/machosauceproduction
Damn, I wish he'd post more here.
I knew he'd have more vids! I was thinking he bowed out since the election or something. Good thing he didn't. He's as entertaining as Levin or Limbaugh (which... why doesn't Zo have his own radio show?)
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I knew he'd have more vids! I was thinking he bowed out since the election or something. Good thing he didn't. He's as entertaining as Levin or Limbaugh (which... why doesn't Zo have his own radio show?)
Don't know. He NEEDS one. He's a HELLUVA lot more entertaining than O'Reilly, Gallagher, Don Imus, and that Mike or Mark guy from Seattle. He should see about replacing Royal's dumb ass on the Boortz show.
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He definitely needs his own radio show.
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choicevoice (297 posts) Mon Nov-15-04 08:15 AM
Response to Original message
17. Almost without thought I have always been pro-choice
because of the history of women in this country. Women have had to claw every step of the way to obtain rights automatically given men. The right to vote, to own property, to control their own money, the right to control their own reproduction, etc.
Then my daughter was raped. Abducted by a man in a ski mask who held a knife to her throat. That was many years ago and she is fine today but that is when the awful truth hit me. If she had would not have had the option at the hospital to insure she would not have to live through a pregnancy due to rape what would her life be like. The audacity of people (anti abortion proponents) at the time who without invitation tried to tell me that if she were pregnant that the only moral thing to do was to carry the fetus to term. After all she could just give it up for adoption! Talk about piss me off. Then I became an activist defending clinics throughout the south during the summer sieges by the anti abortion on womens clinics.
I will fight with everything I have in me to make sure that Roe V. Wade will not be overturned.
I would bet my mercedes that is 110% bullshit made up on the spot.
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I would bet my mercedes that is 110% bullshit made up on the spot.
I won't take that bet.
Oh and for you lurking libs....
It's not Pro-Choice and Pro-Life.
These are terms YOU created.
The real terms are Pro-abortion and Anti-abortion.
I am NOT Pro-life, (I believe in the death penalty and self defense measures that include killing my attacker before he can kill me). I am Anti-abortion.
Pro-Choice sounds so much better than Pro-Infant murder; which abortion is regardless of whatever flavor-of-the-day PC name you decide to call act of killing a child in the womb.
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I wonder, did Truthnik get banned, or did he just leave? These sites...why do they think that banning is the thing to do? Does it occur to them that if their ideas are defensible, then just go ahead and defend them? Does it occur to them that it would make a much more interesting forum, thus gain more traffic, if nobody is banned? I will participate in NO forums which ban people. Muslim boards are REALLY bad that way, too. If you can imagine.
BTW, that Adbot.....hilarious. I was reading the Awards thread, and the one with the stolen firewood had me laughing an hour later.
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TaleWgnDg (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-03-04 04:00 AM
Response to Reply #1
51. I am pro-choice: why?
1. My daughter is not a forced breeder.
2. My wife is not a forced breeder.
3. My mother is not a forced breeder.
4. My sisters are not forced breeders.
5. GOVERNMENT SHOULD NEVER FORCE ANY WOMAN TO BREED.
If they're not being forced to screw then they are not being force to breed. Unless he is raping his daughter, wife, mother and sisters then this post makes no sense.
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Watch the entire thing, or start at minute 2:32. I'd watch the entire thing. 2:32 he addresses this issue and pwns a lib.
[youtube=425,350]nHvNddalwUY[/youtube]
BTW, all of 'Zo's videos can be seen here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/machosauceproduction
Damn, I wish he'd post more here.
I'm so into him. :p
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Forced breeding....Damn....no wonder I wasn't having any luck with the girls.
I didn't know you could 'force breed'em'. Daddy told me that was rape.