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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: bijou on January 17, 2009, 04:53:42 PM
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There's no evidence as yet that this was arson. Like most people, I don't agree with arson as a protest tactic. I posted this really for adbot's contribution which must be making them cringe on DU. :-)
Omaha Steve (1000+ posts) Fri Jan-16-09 04:31 PM
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ATF, Arson Investigators at Abortion Clinic Fire in Bellevue
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Bellevue, NE - Investigators from the ATF--the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives--are at the scene of a fire at a controversial health clinic in Bellevue. So are arson investigators.
The agents reportedly were questioning potential witnesses in the area. Investigators were carrying items out of the building, the Carhart Health Clinic.
The clinic is owned by Dr. Leroy Carhart, known for his legal fights in support of abortion rights. He testified before the U.S. Supreme Court in 2006. Anti-abortion groups have frequently picketed the clinic.
When asked if the fire was suspicious, a spokesman for Bellevue Fire told Action 3 News: "Not at this time." He says investigators haven't had time to go through the clinic to look for a cause.
Read more: http://www.action3news.com/Global/story.asp?S=9685912
county worker (54 posts) Fri Jan-16-09 04:35 PM
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1. Churches all around here have little white crosses all over their lawns.
They have a sign that reads something like this, Roe V Wade, My death was not my choice.
I think it stirs up people and that's what they are trying to do. The kooks are ready and willing to attack the left.
AlbertCat (1000+ posts) Fri Jan-16-09 05:38 PM
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4. Maybe we should add some crosses....
....for those killed by inquisitions and the like. And maybe a cross or two for the murdered doctors who also had no choice in their deaths....and they were conscious!
DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Fri Jan-16-09 04:41 PM
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2. This sort of think just pisses me off.
From the article "controversial health clinic". The clinic is not controversial - it is not illegal. It is in keeping with the laws of the land.
Assholes who kill health care providers and burn things down because they are nutty, selfish, sociopaths are controversial.
wiboy (763 posts) Fri Jan-16-09 04:58 PM
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3. Back to the 80's
Right wing terrorists are renewing the battle.
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Sat Jan 17th 2009, 05:44 PM
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Oh that.
Carhart, the abortion profiteer, has been a self-made martyr for years now.
As his business isn't subject to normal and routine inspections by the city and state--such might "intimidate" women from "choice--like they do regular physician clinics, hospitals, veterinaries, to ensure such places are sanitary--it could've been faulty electrical wiring, a dumped cigarette, whatnot.
My fellow Nebraskan Omaha Steve knows that, but chooses to be stupid anyway, looking around for something to be indignant about.
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Oh that.
Carhart, the abortion profiteer, has been a self-made martyr for years now.
As his business isn't subject to normal and routine inspections by the city and state--such might "intimidate" women from "choice--like they do regular physician clinics, hospitals, veterinaries, to ensure such places are sanitary--it could've been faulty electrical wiring, a dumped cigarette, whatnot.
My fellow Nebraskan Omaha Steve knows that, but chooses to be stupid anyway, looking around for something to be indignant about.
Interesting, I didn't realise that. Perhaps it is an 'insurance job'.
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Interesting, I didn't realise that. Perhaps it is an 'insurance job'.
I suspect it's just that the place is a pigsty.
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Number of abortions since Roe v Wade - 30,000,000
Violence at abortion clinics: (http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_viol.htm)
-----Murder-----Arson-----Assault-----hate speech---arrests--blockades-pickets
2001--- 0 --------5 -------790--------- 435 --------0 ---------2 ---------9969
2002 ---0 --------1 -------265 ----------302 --------0 ---------4 --------10241
2003 ---0 --------3 -------140---------- 331-------- 0 --------10-------- 11244
2004--- 0 --------2 --------40---------- 130-------- 0 ---------4--------- 3445
PRO-ABORTION VIOLENCE AGAINST PEOPLE (http://www.abortionviolence.com/SUMMARY.HTM)
1a. Homicide and Other Killings
Fatal Botched Abortions [A]--- 365
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Infanticide --------------------- 14
I think that already beats the "horribly violent" pro-life stats...but:
Abortion-Related Violence and Alleged Violence (http://www.ewtn.com/library/PROLIFE/VIOLENCE.TXT)
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Incidents by pro-life against pro-abortion 164
Incidents by pro-abortion against pro-life 218
Incidents by police against pro-abortion 0
Incidents by police against pro-life 29
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This report also presents the following findings:
· There have been more bombings of religious facilities than all types of medical facilities combined.
· Bombings and attempted bombings of any type of medical facility have been rare. There have been
230 times as many against other industries, homes, and other buildings.
· Only thirty-five one-thousandth of one percent of all U.S. arsons can be attributed to pro-life.
· Only one one-thousandth of one percent of all U.S. homicides can be attributed to pro-life.
· The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms has never connected any act of violence to any pro-life
organization.
· The Federal Bureau of Investigation does not list any pro-life organization as terrorist.
· There are many very significant reasons for the abortion industry to deceive the public.
· The abortion industry has been unwilling and/or unable to substantiate their accusations against
pro-life.
· There are many reasons for violence against abortion facilities other than pro-life activism.
· The media rarely portrays violence by pro-abortion, but rarely doesn't portray violence by pro-life.
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Number of abortions since Roe v Wade - 30,000,000
I think that already beats the "horribly violent" pro-life stats...but:
There you go again with facts, Mrs. Smith. Stop confusing the pro-abortion argument by providing facts, please.
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IMHO we'll see a return of the church fires and abortion clinic bombings being breathlessly reported as a "returning epidemic" in an effort to continue portraying Conservatives as intolerant whack jobs.
In the same manner that the homeless only seem to appear when a Republican is in office...you only hear about stuff like this when a Democrat is in the White House.
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IMHO we'll see a return of the church fires and abortion clinic bombings being breathlessly reported as a "returning epidemic" in an effort to continue portraying Conservatives as intolerant whack jobs.
In the same manner that the homeless only seem to appear when a Republican is in office...you only hear about stuff like this when a Democrat is in the White House.
One time--and Omaha Steve knows this--the Nebraska Department of Health inspected the premises, finding half of a week-old pizza and some partially-empty cans of soda in the "operating room" there. And cockroaches.
There was an outcry from both the abortion profiteer and the abortion enthusiasts, about how such inspections were "intimidating," and interfered with a woman's "right" to "choose."
I think the fire got started simply because the place is a pigsty--I wouldn't even take one of the cats there.
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Having driven past that place alot of times on the way to the gate at Offutt AFB I can tell you the building was a mess. It would have been better had the Air Force used an LGB to demolish it. It had been a car dealership foryears before that Doctor bought it for his own business such as it is. That place was so old it wouldn't take much to make it catch fire no matter what the cause was.
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Meanwhile, Sarah Palin's church "got what it deserved," right DUmp monkeys?
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Number of abortions since Roe v Wade - 30,000,000
I think that already beats the "horribly violent" pro-life stats...but:
You are always right on the money, Mrs. Smith. Good find.
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Adbot is a lousy freeper troll.... :lmao:
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Fri Jan-16-09 04:41 PM
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2. This sort of think just pisses me off.
From the article "controversial health clinic". The clinic is not controversial - it is not illegal. It is in keeping with the laws of the land.
Assholes who kill health care providers and burn things down because they are nutty, selfish, sociopaths are controversial.
Wouldn't a more appropriate title for doctors who specialize in abortion be "death providers"?
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most likely a case of bad wiring or a space heater.
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WOWT TV Ch. 6 In Omaha reported that local authorites do not believe that this is a case of arson so the DUmpmonkies once again prove to the world they couldn't think their way out of a paper bag.
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WOWT TV Ch. 6 In Omaha reported that local authorites do not believe that this is a case of arson so the DUmpmonkies once again prove to the world they couldn't think their way out of a paper bag.
Did you expect any different?
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county worker (54 posts) Fri Jan-16-09 04:35 PM
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1. Churches all around here have little white crosses all over their lawns.
They have a sign that reads something like this, Roe V Wade, My death was not my choice.
I think it stirs up people and that's what they are trying to do. The kooks are ready and willing to attack the left.
One wonders what their reaction would be if instead of Roe V Wade the sign referenced "soldiers killed in Iraq", "Americans who died because they didn't have health care", "cute polar bears who died because of global warming", or "lab animals killed for medical research" (I was going to say babies who died of starvation in Darfur but figured they'd just think of that as a post-birth abortion). I bet they'd all be commenting on how brilliant this peaceful protest was, how enlightened, how very uber-progressive and thoughtful. Then I'm sure if it stirred people up it would be a good thing because maybe they'd be motivated to DO something. And if a nearby SUV dealership was set on fire or research facility bombed there would be no connection whatsoever. Besides, those radical groups might be a little over the top but the message is so important with such global implications people need to be shaken out of their apathy. Because it's always a better moral choice to violently suck a baby from a woman's womb than to humanely put a lab rat to sleep.
Cindie