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What do we gotta do to get this kind of attention ?? :-)
Bleedstreet (780 posts) Wed Jan-14-09 09:27 PM
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Freeper Madness-Obama a 'scumbag" for allowing gays in military
Once again....out of the mouths of our fellow Americans,,,spewing that bizzaro world voodoo..that they do..o so well
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Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy
Fox News ^ | Jan 14, 2009
Posted on Wednesday, January 14, 2009 5:30:07 PM by Recovering_Democrat
WASHINGTON — President-elect Barack Obama will allow gays to serve openly in the military by overturning the controversial "don't ask, don't tell" policy that marred President Clinton's first days in office, according to incoming White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs.
The startling pronouncement, which could re-open a dormant battle in the culture wars and distract from other elements of Obama's agenda, came during a Gibbs exchange with members of the public who sent in questions that were answered on YouTube.
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Hussein's rule will include not just tolerance but an embracing of deviant behavior.
and some conservatives sit down, eat with him, and wish him well.
The end of the Republic cannot be far away.
My favorites
"Mark my words, you will have instances of militant faggotry enlisting with the sole purpose of degrading the primary functions and esprit de corps of the United States Armed Forces. And an Obamanation-led Pentagon won't be able to lift a finger to stop it, even if they wanted to. Four years of Carter did enough damage to the military - can you imagine a full turn with The Magic Negro? Our standing army will be reduced to UN blue helmets who were trained to carve glory holes under combat conditions. "
"Of course this scumbag did not campaign with this issue out in the open, like an honest candidate — no, he waits until after the election to spring this on the public..... just watch, we will also “learn†at some point that he has reconsidered his (dishonest) opposition to “gay marriage†— suddenly we will find the Demagogues shoving “gay marriage†at us all over the place, even though most had pretended they do not support it.
more freeper madness
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2164696/posts
Obama is a comprehensive leftist, a true socialist ideologue who merely pretends to an occasional moderation to maintain his electoral “viabilityâ€...... he will push every leftist cause he thinks he can inflict upon us."
They figures us out
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8089721
liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-14-09 09:29 PM
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1. Gee...
Maybe if more Freepers signed up, we wouldn't need to recruit all of them Homo-SEX-yulls?
I'd wager that the percentage of former and currently serving persons on FR is orders of magnitude higher than on DU
Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-14-09 09:30 PM
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3. What kind of anti-American traitors would oppose the Commander in Chief's military decisions? Updated at 7:19 PM
You're surrounded by them.
roud patriot Lead Moderator Donating Member Wed Jan-14-09 09:40 PM
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9. freepers are such a disgrace to our Country to humanity
x(
The pot calling the shiny new kettle....
CurtEastPoint Donating Member (437 posts) Wed Jan-14-09 09:41 PM
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10. Methinks the Freeper has some knowledge of glory holes...
not exactly a term in common use among, ya know, 'normal' guys. Interesting.
Now, on matters dealing with this type of nasty behaviour, DU is a veritable encyclopedia.
spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-14-09 09:48 PM
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14. And how many of these pukes have been in the
military themselves??
pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-14-09 10:08 PM
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18. Their idea of "military service" likely involves
walking into an Army and Navy store to buy a compass.
Most of them probably couldn't get through basic training without pissing themselves and crying for their mommies every night.
Bunch of cowardly little shits.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-14-09 09:30 PM
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3. What kind of anti-American traitors would oppose the Commander in Chief's military decisions? Updated at 7:19 PM
THIS being posted at the DUmp? :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
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THIS being posted at the DUmp? :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
Sometimes, the best stuff writes itself.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-14-09 09:30 PM
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3. What kind of anti-American traitors would oppose the Commander in Chief's military decisions?
Oh my.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-14-09 09:30 PM
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3. What kind of anti-American traitors would oppose the Commander in Chief's military decisions? Updated at 7:19 PM
That just has to be sarcasm. No possible way even even the deepest diving of DUmpster divers could be so blind as to ask THAT at DU.
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That just has to be sarcasm. No possible way even even the deepest diving of DUmpster divers could be so blind as to ask THAT at DU.
It HAS to be or else I'm without words.
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Didn't the military have an outright ban on Homosexuals before the Don't Ask Don't Tell policy?
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Didn't the military have an outright ban on Homosexuals before the Don't Ask Don't Tell policy?
Yes, and they could ask. I enlisted during that time and there was a question on the enlistment papers about it.
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Yes, and they could ask. I enlisted during that time and there was a question on the enlistment papers about it.
Got it.
Well, I've said it before. I don't think I'd have a problem serving in an "open" military. The flaming homosexual San Fran parade types will never serve anyways, and even the few who would try would quickly get drummed out on sexual harrasment cases. For those who do keep their bedroom lives in the bedroom, I've got no problem serving with.
I know that there are a lot out there that aren't as open minded as I am, and that'll be problematic, but oh well. The CinC orders it, it's something we gotta live with.
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Got it.
Well, I've said it before. I don't think I'd have a problem serving in an "open" military. The flaming homosexual San Fran parade types will never serve anyways, and even the few who would try would quickly get drummed out on sexual harrasment cases. For those who do keep their bedroom lives in the bedroom, I've got no problem serving with.
I know that there are a lot out there that aren't as open minded as I am, and that'll be problematic, but oh well. The CinC orders it, it's something we gotta live with.
...and open bays and showers? What do we do about those? How about permanent party enlisted barracks where there are two to a room?
This is what's going to happen:
1) Our military will be demoralized
2) Enlistments rates will drop
3) A shitload of money will be spent to accommodate these new recruits
...but hey, in the name of fairness, what's a little less national defense?
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Open bay barracks are very quickly becoming a thing of the past Reb. Only place that I know of it anymore is Basic Training, which may be problematic, but that hurdle will be jumped when and if this actually happens. The Army is dumping a shitload of cash onto improving quality of life for it's troops.
As for permanent party barracks with two people? Well I guess they'll just have to shack the gays up with each other. Not much of a problem there.
As for the rest of your concerns, didn't they say that with integration of blacks?
I'm sorry Reb, if some hick can't get over the idea that the military is allowing gays to serve, then I'm fine with him leaving. I'm willing to wager that the majority will treat it as is becoming of a member of the United States Military.
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Open bay barracks are very quickly becoming a thing of the past Reb. Only place that I know of it anymore is Basic Training, which may be problematic, but that hurdle will be jumped when and if this actually happens. The Army is dumping a shitload of cash onto improving quality of life for it's troops.
I was in an open barrack at PLDC and my first AIT.
As for permanent party barracks with two people? Well I guess they'll just have to shack the gays up with each other. Not much of a problem there.
So, you see no problem putting a male and a female in the same room? It's the same thing.
As for the rest of your concerns, didn't they say that with integration of blacks?
Oh FFS, don't try to equate the two. That statement could have very well came directly from the DUmp.
I'm sorry Reb, if some hick can't get over the idea that the military is allowing gays to serve, then I'm fine with him leaving. I'm willing to wager that the majority will treat it as is becoming of a member of the United States Military.
Hick? Most guys in the military are masculine guys. You want all of'em to get out? Well, isn't that my point? You act as if it's an anomaly that military men don't want to serve with gays in the open. If it's such a f'n anomaly, why did Prop 8 pass in California, of all places?
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So, you see no problem putting a male and a female in the same room? It's the same thing.
As long as both were gays . . .
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Look at the problems homosexuality causes in society in general. Then some folks think it won't be a problem in the military. Social engerneering should never be fousted on the military,especially at times like the present.
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President-elect Barack Obama will allow gays to serve openly in the military by overturning the controversial "don't ask, don't tell" policy that marred President Clinton's first days in office, according to incoming White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs.
No he won't.
Next.
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Open bay barracks are very quickly becoming a thing of the past Reb. Only place that I know of it anymore is Basic Training, which may be problematic, but that hurdle will be jumped when and if this actually happens. The Army is dumping a shitload of cash onto improving quality of life for it's troops.
Nay nay, moose-breath.
How often do you deploy again?
Also, you might want to re-read Article 134. Something about "prejudicial to good order and discipline", something like that. And finally, there's that whole health issue.
Sorry, the risk ain't worth the rewards in this case.
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My spidey sense tells me that there are going to be two orders of magnitude more lawsuits for discrimination in the military.
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Nay nay, moose-breath.
How often do you deploy again?
Also, you might want to re-read Article 134. Something about "prejudicial to good order and discipline", something like that. And finally, there's that whole health issue.
Sorry, the risk ain't worth the rewards in this case.
And for us that were /are in the Navy.............my god DJ you have no idea what it would be like in the Sea going service.........hot rack with a fag......SEE YA!!!!!
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Open bay barracks are very quickly becoming a thing of the past Reb. Only place that I know of it anymore is Basic Training, which may be problematic, but that hurdle will be jumped when and if this actually happens. The Army is dumping a shitload of cash onto improving quality of life for it's troops.
As for permanent party barracks with two people? Well I guess they'll just have to shack the gays up with each other. Not much of a problem there.
As for the rest of your concerns, didn't they say that with integration of blacks?
I'm sorry Reb, if some hick can't get over the idea that the military is allowing gays to serve, then I'm fine with him leaving. I'm willing to wager that the majority will treat it as is becoming of a member of the United States Military.
DJ, I don't think you're quite thinking this through. What you will actually wind up with is a militantly (excuse the pun) pro-gay everything military. This will occur if gays are allowed to openly serve.
Remember the officer corp. They will backbite and backstab where they won't lie about each other to get their promotions. It isn't enough that an officer couldn't give a hoot who serves in his unit as long as they do their job, no he has to enthusiastically support "diversity". It isn't enough that an officer accepts that women serving in roles that would be better filled by men, he has to enthusiastically support it. If he doesn't show enough enthusiasm then he will not pass O-3 or O-4.
What will happen when gays are allowed then to serve openly? Why, not only should gays be allowed to serve, they make great soldiers. If the army recognizes straight soldiers marriages then it has to acknowledge the relationships of gays. Adoption, well married straight soldiers are allowed to adopt, the army can't possibly discriminate and say gays can't. If a prospective officer isn't able to make himsef believe this, then no matter how competent he is, his career is doomed.
You say oh well if a guy wants to leave because of gays being allowed. No, they don't want gay propaganda shoved down their throats and that is exactly what is going to happen when gays are allowed to serve. Notice my change in tone. It will happen and it will undo our military when it does. We won't deserve to survive after that, and we won't.
I see what is coming, and I made a decision with my young children. My uniform is put away, they will not know I served as it might encourage them down that path. I will direct them as much as I can towards career pursuits that don't involve the military and what it will have become when they are old enough.
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I'm sorry Reb, if some hick can't get over the idea that the military is allowing gays to serve, then I'm fine with him leaving. I'm willing to wager that the majority will treat it as is becoming of a member of the United States Military.
Well, aren't we tolerant! And nice to know that my son and his buddies are hicks. If you can't trust a guy in the shower when you drop the soap how the hell are you going to trust him in the foxhole? There are plenty of places in society for social experiments but the military isn't one of them. We have the finest military in the world. A large part of that is due to trust and morale, a sense of brotherhood where one Marine would fall on a grenade with no thought to his own life to save his brothers. Kind of hard to have that sense of kinship and trust if you keep wondering whether your brother wants to cornhole you. These boots on the ground are young men full of bravado and testosterone and frankly, I don't want a warrior who doesn't think he's part Chesty Puller. These young guys would simply be too uncomfortable with Handjob Hank and Benny Blowjob on either side of them. If that makes it a Corps full of hicks, so be it.
Cindie
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Well, aren't we tolerant! And nice to know that my son and his buddies are hicks. If you can't trust a guy in the shower when you drop the soap how the hell are you going to trust him in the foxhole? There are plenty of places in society for social experiments but the military isn't one of them. We have the finest military in the world. A large part of that is due to trust and morale, a sense of brotherhood where one Marine would fall on a grenade with no thought to his own life to save his brothers. Kind of hard to have that sense of kinship and trust if you keep wondering whether your brother wants to cornhole you. These boots on the ground are young men full of bravado and testosterone and frankly, I don't want a warrior who doesn't think he's part Chesty Puller. These young guys would simply be too uncomfortable with Handjob Hank and Benny Blowjob on either side of them. If that makes it a Corps full of hicks, so be it.
Cindie
You're good. H5.
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It doesn't matter what I think as for if the ydo this or not.The big zero will do it anyway. The problem is when they start hitting on the straights and don't tell me that some of them won't do it because I know it has happened before in my old unit in the 101st and then a while back there was the case of some ass killing another troop there just because he thought he was gay.
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Well, aren't we tolerant! And nice to know that my son and his buddies are hicks. If you can't trust a guy in the shower when you drop the soap how the hell are you going to trust him in the foxhole? There are plenty of places in society for social experiments but the military isn't one of them. We have the finest military in the world. A large part of that is due to trust and morale, a sense of brotherhood where one Marine would fall on a grenade with no thought to his own life to save his brothers. Kind of hard to have that sense of kinship and trust if you keep wondering whether your brother wants to cornhole you. These boots on the ground are young men full of bravado and testosterone and frankly, I don't want a warrior who doesn't think he's part Chesty Puller. These young guys would simply be too uncomfortable with Handjob Hank and Benny Blowjob on either side of them. If that makes it a Corps full of hicks, so be it.
Cindie
Sorry, Cindie, but the military has long been used for social experiments. Truman (integration of the services); Carter (women in service academies and in the military proper); and Slick Willie (DADT) are but three examples.
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Sorry, Cindie, but the military has long been used for social experiments. Truman (integration of the services); Carter (women in service academies and in the military proper); and Slick Willie (DADT) are but three examples.
Women should have the opportunity to attend a service academy. My nephew attends one (my husband graduated from one also). I visited him a few months back to attend his football game. The cadets conduct drills etc. on the field prior to the games. The women did just fine out there.
If they can handle it, they should be able to do it.
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Well, aren't we tolerant! And nice to know that my son and his buddies are hicks. If you can't trust a guy in the shower when you drop the soap how the hell are you going to trust him in the foxhole? There are plenty of places in society for social experiments but the military isn't one of them. We have the finest military in the world. A large part of that is due to trust and morale, a sense of brotherhood where one Marine would fall on a grenade with no thought to his own life to save his brothers. Kind of hard to have that sense of kinship and trust if you keep wondering whether your brother wants to cornhole you. These boots on the ground are young men full of bravado and testosterone and frankly, I don't want a warrior who doesn't think he's part Chesty Puller. These young guys would simply be too uncomfortable with Handjob Hank and Benny Blowjob on either side of them. If that makes it a Corps full of hicks, so be it.
Cindie
Wow -- post of the day! (and of course the H5 to go with it)
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Women should have the opportunity to attend a service academy. My nephew attends one (my husband graduated from one also). I visited him a few months back to attend his football game. The cadets conduct drills etc. on the field prior to the games. The women did just fine out there.
If they can handle it, they should be able to do it.
One of my babysitters was in the first class of female cadets through West Point. She didn't make it; I don't know when she left. A brother of hers was a classmate of mine from third grade through high school. I never mentioned her to him--I had a bit of couth in those days.
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Yes, and they could ask. I enlisted during that time and there was a question on the enlistment papers about it.
I don't remember it being asked on a form but I do remember a guy walking up to me when I got my physical and asking me straight up. It shocked me because I didn't know who the hell this dude was who was asking me if I was gay.
KC
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One of my babysitters was in the first class of female cadets through West Point. She didn't make it; I don't know when she left. A brother of hers was a classmate of mine from third grade through high school. I never mentioned her to him--I had a bit of couth in those days.
She tried though, and I give her a lot of credit for trying.
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What's gonna happen when the first fag that tries something is capped in the field?
Homo's in the military .... Openly, will never work.
KC
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Didn't the military have an outright ban on Homosexuals before the Don't Ask Don't Tell policy?
Yes. They also used to have a dishonorable discharge if caught.
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Open bay barracks are very quickly becoming a thing of the past Reb. Only place that I know of it anymore is Basic Training, which may be problematic, but that hurdle will be jumped when and if this actually happens. The Army is dumping a shitload of cash onto improving quality of life for it's troops.
As for permanent party barracks with two people? Well I guess they'll just have to shack the gays up with each other. Not much of a problem there.
As for the rest of your concerns, didn't they say that with integration of blacks?
I'm sorry Reb, if some hick can't get over the idea that the military is allowing gays to serve, then I'm fine with him leaving. I'm willing to wager that the majority will treat it as is becoming of a member of the United States Military.
Open bay barracks are becoming a thing of the past? For the Air Force maybe.
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Got it.
Well, I've said it before. I don't think I'd have a problem serving in an "open" military. The flaming homosexual San Fran parade types will never serve anyways, and even the few who would try would quickly get drummed out on sexual harrasment cases. For those who do keep their bedroom lives in the bedroom, I've got no problem serving with.
I know that there are a lot out there that aren't as open minded as I am, and that'll be problematic, but oh well. The CinC orders it, it's something we gotta live with.
So... For example; If the CinC orders you to assist in the confiscation of all privately held arms and orders you to kill any that resist.
Will you still be saying "but oh well. The CinC orders it, it's something we gotta live with."?
On edit: I am speaking of US citizens here when I state privately held.
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That just has to be sarcasm. No possible way even even the deepest diving of DUmpster divers could be so blind as to ask THAT at DU.
Call me skeptical. I think that DUmmie was dead serious.
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What kind of anti-American traitors would oppose the Commander in Chief's military decisions?
They did not just say that!!!!!!
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She tried though, and I give her a lot of credit for trying.
So did I. I do remember that one of the senior cadets got reprimanded for "fraternization" with her. It was a moderately big story in the local rag at the time.
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Sorry, Cindie, but the military has long been used for social experiments. Truman (integration of the services); Carter (women in service academies and in the military proper); and Slick Willie (DADT) are but three examples.
Actually, women in the service academies started in 1976. Ford was still president then. Random urinalysis started under Reagan. But frankly, there's a bit of difference between women/minority rights and gay rights. And even women's roles are NOT universal. They're still not allowed in many communities (SEALs, submarines, other Special Forces units) for obvious reasons.
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They're still not allowed in many communities (SEALs, submarines, other Special Forces units) for obvious reasons.
There will be pushes to change that during this administration IMHO.
DACOWITS will be front and center again in pushing to allow women fully into combat units.
I see them going after the navy first and forcing them to put women on the one last class of naval vessel where women still don't serve.
If that's successful the next thing you'llsee is women wearing the blue infantry cord.
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There will be pushes to change that during this administration IMHO.
DACOWITS will be front and center again in pushing to allow women fully into combat units.
I see them going after the navy first and forcing them to put women on the one last class of naval vessel where women still don't serve.
If that's successful the next thing you'llsee is women wearing the blue infantry cord.
If they put them in some of these slots and they don't lower the requirements physically and they can make it fair and square ..... I say let them in.
I don't see many women being able to make it through the schools and if they did they wouldn't be any threat in the field ... who would WANT the ones that could pass?!
KC
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If they put them in some of these slots and they don't lower the requirements physically and they can make it fair and square ..... I say let them in.
I don't see many women being able to make it through the schools and if they did they wouldn't be any threat in the field ... who would WANT the ones that could pass?!
KC
Well they won't be taking their PT tests based onthe male charts that's for sure.
You KNOW it won't be fair. They will have to lower the standards and watch what they say and be forced to change their entire style of training because these allegedly "tough" women might get offended by what the mean ol instructor says.
Pardon me if that sounds chauvinistic to the females here...but that's the reality and what I've observed since 1992.
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Pardon me if that sounds chauvinistic to the females here...but that's the reality and what I've observed since 1992.
There's some days that I'm glad that I got out when, and how, I did.
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Actually, women in the service academies started in 1976. Ford was still president then.
:thatsright: Yep, I miscued on that one. GRF was indeed prez at that time. Odd thing, too, because a young lady that was two grades behind me in high school was selected to go in the first class for women at West Point.
My point remains, however, that the military has been the focal point of social issues before. I don't see that changing anytime soon.
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Well DJ??
Everyone had something to say and yet you're silent
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CurtEastPoint Donating Member (437 posts) Wed Jan-14-09 09:41 PM
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10. Methinks the Freeper has some knowledge of glory holes...
not exactly a term in common use among, ya know, 'normal' guys. Interesting.
So do you apparently. :mental: