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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: USA4ME on January 14, 2009, 10:29:15 AM
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Cary
How Do "Conservatives" Recover?
This is just an intellectual exercise, and not something I am hoping for. It's pure curiosity.
I know conservatives have been down before and in the '60s, after Goldwater got thumped, they were even lower than they are today. Obviously the Vietnam War and the '60s, generally, managed to move the country to the right. Then you have Watergate, which brought in Carter and that led to Reagan. . .
If Obama ends up being half as great as I expect him to be, and Republicans take another hit in 2010, do we have an end to "conservativism" as we know it today?
Right now I see "conservatives" clinging tenaciously to their ideology and actually getting pissed at me for asking them how they plan to adapt. I don't see how this bodes well for them, and I cannot fathom the possibility that they could actually regain power.
My answer to my own question is that they don't recover. If they can't adapt, they're screwed. Sarah Palin? Mitt Romney? Huckabee?
I don't see it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4822791
Amazing what simple topics pass as an "intellectual exercise" at the DUmp.
First up, we see the carrying primitive saying that, when it comes to conservative ideology, "after Goldwater got thumped, they were even lower than they are today," closely followed by the observation that conservatism regained power in the years following, and then the primitive notes "I cannot fathom the possibility that they could actually regain power." They were down, regained power, but it can never happen again. Yeah, that's makes a lot of sense. :mental:
Right now I see "conservatives" clinging tenaciously to their ideology and actually getting pissed at me for asking them how they plan to adapt.
Yeah, right. Try that to any of us here. After we personally laughed in your face, we would tell you we don't need to adapt, that BHO and his kind better adapt to us. You see, conservatives don't live their lives according to who's in power in DC, we just do what we need to do. Your liberal edicts and conditions don't matter to us in that we will find ways to circumvent them if they don't meet our needs. There's nothing you can do about it.
That's the main thing you dolts haven't figured out yet; that for BHO to do what he has to do, he's going to need all people to cooperate with him, and that's just not in the cards for us, and we have the overwhelming majority of the money.
But watching you nutsos never waking up to that reality is always fun to watch. :cheers2:
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Oh my.
The caries primitive is full of chit.
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If they would care to objectively look back through history, they would see that for every democratic party that comes into power, it takes a relatively short period of time for the population to see that the big experiment doesn't work and the country goes back to putting conservatives in charge.
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Cary
Amazingly I cannot get "conservatives" to admit that they're pathetic losers
I don't understand why not. I don't understand, either, why they're getting so mad at me. I'm just trying to help them. How do they ever expect to recover if they can't accept their current condition?
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4828182
Good. Glad to see you saw my thread here and it got under your skin. :-)
Like I TOLD you, we'll do what we want just like we've always done, and we'll undermine the little anti-American muslim boy if it suits our purposes, and you'll continue to complain about things over which you have no control.
Now, run along and entertain us, you idiot.
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It was precisely the attempt to adapt that lead to the GOP's fall. McCain was the least conservative candidate in the field this time around. I only bothered voting because he was balanced out by a true conservative, Sarah Palin. If she's at the top of the ticket next time around, and she doesn't pick some half liberal running mate, it will be a whole new ball game.
Whenever conservatives run as conservatives, they always win. When they try to pander to liberals, they always lose.
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I know conservatives have been down before and in the '60s, after Goldwater got thumped, they were even lower than they are today. Obviously the Vietnam War and the '60s, generally, managed to move the country to the right. Then you have Watergate, which brought in Carter and that led to Reagan. . .
If Obama ends up being half as great as I expect him to be, and Republicans take another hit in 2010, do we have an end to "conservativism" as we know it today?
I'm assuming that "conservativism as we know it today" is the middle ground RINO type policy as espoused by McCain, that does indeed need to end.
If Obama Carter is half as bad as I expect him to be, who will be the next Reagan ?
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McCain and the GOP today are not "conservative" first of all. How would it get us down that these kinds of moderate sissy Republicans lost an election? Goldwater was a conservative and that didn't get us 'down' it got us motivated if history is any history book. Today conservatives need to rally and organize like they did after Goldwater and especially like during the Carter era. We didn't have talk radio and the internet in those days but we have them now. We are no longer isolated!
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McCain and the GOP today are not "conservative" first of all. How would it get us down that these kinds of moderate sissy Republicans lost an election? Goldwater was a conservative and that didn't get us 'down' it got us motivated if history is any history book. Today conservatives need to rally and organize like they did after Goldwater and especially like during the Carter era. We didn't have talk radio and the internet in those days but we have them now. We are no longer isolated!
Not to mention they've now got a president who pretty much promised to heal every single ill mankind had. Granted, he's tried to temper expectations now that reality is setting in and he realizes how little control he really has (daily terrorists briefings and seeing one's picture burned in effigy by people one thought would consider you a brother will do that). The daily trickling "mini" scandals that are just "the Chicago way", little things like financial gurus who don't pay their taxes, AG's who helped gain pardons for terrorists, Sec. State who took donations from rather unsavory (foreign) sources she's now going to have to pretend to make demands of that seem to have little impact now but will become part of the collective narrative when the rest of the country finally wonders what the **** they were doing. He has a left and squishy middle (hell, even part of the squishy right) that have extremely high hopes & expectations and very little patience. The hard left will cut him some slack but those folks in the middle who bought the hype won't, skin color doesn't matter to them but "hope and change" does. Roosevelt was able to blame his 8 year failure on Hoover and I suppose they'll have some success blaming Bush, but Roosevelt didn't have to contend with alternative media and a public more suspicious of the press than they are of used car salesmen. I think I'm going to enjoy watching them discover their Messiah can't walk on water or change water into wine. But then, I doubt he'd sacrifice his life to save mankind either. You reap what you sow.
Cindie
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That's the main thing you dolts haven't figured out yet; that for BHO to do what he has to do, he's going to need all people to cooperate with him, and that's just not in the cards for us, and we have the overwhelming majority of the money.
And the guns.
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It was precisely the attempt to adapt that lead to the GOP's fall. McCain was the least conservative candidate in the field this time around. I only bothered voting because he was balanced out by a true conservative, Sarah Palin. If she's at the top of the ticket next time around, and she doesn't pick some half liberal running mate, it will be a whole new ball game.
Whenever conservatives run as conservatives, they always win. When they try to pander to liberals, they always lose.
Amen. That can't be said often enough and it is true.
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is that for real?? certainly not!!
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The Republican party is dead....unless we can throw 90% of them out of office. What needs to come out of this is a Conservative Party.
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The Republican party is dead....unless we can throw 90% of them out of office. What needs to come out of this is a Conservative Party.
I agree. I get mailings from RNC, RNCC, RNSC, MN GOP almost daily begging me to send $$ to stop the libruls. To which I send back the following note in their prepaid envelopes: You first! You will get my $$ after you have earned it.
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The Republican party is dead....unless we can throw 90% of them out of office. What needs to come out of this is a Conservative Party.
....or a secession from Moonbat U.S.S.A.
To be honest, I think we've crossed the threshold. The majority now know how to vote themselves the treasury.
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is that for real?? certainly not!!
I take it you're not familiar with DU's Adbot (http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,19826.0.html)?
Yes, that came up when I went to the thread.
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Oh I have heard of Adbot, that one was just hard to believe