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Current Events => General Discussion => Topic started by: LC EFA on January 03, 2009, 06:10:41 PM
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Charity homes built by Hollywood start to crumble
John Harlow in Los Angeles
RESIDENTS of a model housing estate bankrolled by Hollywood celebrities and hand-built by Jimmy Carter, the former US president, are complaining that it is falling apart.
Fairway Oaks was built on northern Florida wasteland by 10,000 volunteers, including Carter, in a record 17-day “blitz†organised by the charity Habitat for Humanity.
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article5439388.ece
That man just can't do anything right.
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Carter's one-day appearance will occur in the middle of HabiJax's three-week, 100-house blitz build.
https://www.habitat.org/jcwp/2000/monfla.html
Three weeks? Ok, I'm no construction worker, but if those 3-weeks included putting in foundations...which then had no time to cure before slapping the walls up...it's no wonder they're all falling apart. ::)
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Some residents dismiss their neighbours’ worries. Diennal Fields, 51, said people did not know how to look after their homes: “It’s simple stuff: if there is mildew, don’t get a lawyer, get a bottle of bleach.â€
My thinking too. Most people who would need a Habitat For Humanity home has no idea how keep it up. Giving a house to someone with no lifeskills is pointless in the long run.
Five feet of garbage under the kitchen? My guess is someone hates to take out the trash.
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https://www.habitat.org/jcwp/2000/monfla.html
Three weeks? Ok, I'm no construction worker, but if those 3-weeks included putting in foundations...which then had no time to cure before slapping the walls up...it's no wonder they're all falling apart. ::)
The framing on my house began two days after the slab was poured. Twenty-five years later, the walls are doing fine.
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Well, building on a landfill is part of the problem. As the garbage degrades the house will sink causing problems.
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The framing on my house began two days after the slab was poured. Twenty-five years later, the walls are doing fine.
Again, I'm not a construction worker...but I think they run the foundation a few days before pouring a slab. At least, in every construction site I've seen, they ran the foundation and left for a few days, then came back and went on with things.
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Well, building on a landfill is part of the problem. As the garbage degrades the house will sink causing problems.
Ah! There lies the rub. Where was the EPA, the environmental studies, the geologists studies, and the local inspectors when this grand humanitarian effort was conceived? We all pay tons of money to be protected from this sort of malfeasance.
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Again, I'm not a construction worker...but I think they run the foundation a few days before pouring a slab. At least, in every construction site I've seen, they ran the foundation and left for a few days, then came back and went on with things.
A slab is not a foundation as you point out. Also, its another few days before much load is actually on the foundation. Its not best practice but its lower risk. It takes 28 days for normal concrete to achieve rated load capacity, it will continue to cure past that under proper circumstances.
(I used to be a concrete inspector. I was trained the 'right' way but taught about the other ways as well. Housing is rarely done the right way but they loads are far less critical relative to commercial work.)
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A slab is not a foundation as you point out. Also, its another few days before much load is actually on the foundation. Its not best practice but its lower risk. It takes 28 days for normal concrete to achieve rated load capacity, it will continue to cure past that under proper circumstances.
(I used to be a concrete inspector. I was trained the 'right' way but taught about the other ways as well. Housing is rarely done the right way but they loads are far less critical relative to commercial work.)
Depending on where you are building, a slab can very well be a foundation.
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Depending on where you are building, a slab can very well be a foundation.
Where have you seen a slab home built without footers? Just curious.
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Where have you seen a slab home built without footers? Just curious.
My business brought me in contact with a lot of homes built in and around Dallas. The lots were graded. The forms were set. The sand and the rebar went in and the slab was poured. The underlying mile of limestone was the footing.
My home sits on salt and limestone. I couldn't dig a six foot deep hole in my yard if I blasted. We are famous for not having basements around here.
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Well, building on a landfill is part of the problem. As the garbage degrades the house will sink causing problems.
It could have been worse. They could have built on ancient Indian burial grounds.
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It could have been worse. They could have built on ancient Indian burial grounds.
Poltergeist, anyone? The Shining? :-)
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A slab is not a foundation as you point out. Also, its another few days before much load is actually on the foundation. Its not best practice but its lower risk. It takes 28 days for normal concrete to achieve rated load capacity, it will continue to cure past that under proper circumstances.
(I used to be a concrete inspector. I was trained the 'right' way but taught about the other ways as well. Housing is rarely done the right way but they loads are far less critical relative to commercial work.)
I read that concrete takes a long time to dry. Building a house on landfill is asking for trouble.
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I read that concrete takes a long time to dry. Building a house on landfill is asking for trouble.
There's an industrial/office complex that built some buildings on top of a landfill around here. Every once in a while, it will let loose with a nice, juicy fart.
I'm glad I don't have to work there.
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My business brought me in contact with a lot of homes built in and around Dallas. The lots were graded. The forms were set. The sand and the rebar went in and the slab was poured. The underlying mile of limestone was the footing.
My home sits on salt and limestone. I couldn't dig a six foot deep hole in my yard if I blasted. We are famous for not having basements around here.
I would agree that you can just pour the whole thing if you're on top of solid stone. That doesn't seem to be the case in the OP. If they built 100 houses in three weeks - including the foundation - I can't see how anyone would expect them to stand up long, regardless of upkeep.
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Concrete needs to cure too, so they were stressing the concrete before it was fully "cured" , which is not smart.
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I would agree that you can just pour the whole thing if you're on top of solid stone. That doesn't seem to be the case in the OP. If they built 100 houses in three weeks - including the foundation - I can't see how anyone would expect them to stand up long, regardless of upkeep.
I agree. I was responding to the thought that a slab cannot be a foundation. It clearly can be a foundation within the proper circumstances.
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I agree. I was responding to the thought that a slab cannot be a foundation. It clearly can be a foundation within the proper circumstances.
Not exactly (http://www.concretenetwork.com/concrete/foundations.htm)
The problem is that a slab itself it not think enough to bear the load though you can pour it a little thicker where the foundation would normally go. Like so...
(http://www.concretenetwork.com/photo-gallery/images/300x200Max/site_26/concretenetwork-com_6177.jpg)
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Not exactly (http://www.concretenetwork.com/concrete/foundations.htm)
The problem is that a slab itself it not think enough to bear the load though you can pour it a little thicker where the foundation would normally go. Like so...
(http://www.concretenetwork.com/photo-gallery/images/300x200Max/site_26/concretenetwork-com_6177.jpg)
"Wire mesh" hardly discribes the rebar steel. Gravel is not used, sand is, and all load-bearing outside walls are a few inches deeper. It is still just a slab, and it's the foundation.
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All we really need to know is that Jimmy Carter had a hand in it, and it failed. Cause and effect. :fuelfire:
From what I have read, sweat equity really does work in most cases, but I think in this case there was too much going on. Building that fast on top of a bad soil just begs for trouble.
Soils are a major problem all over the place. Every so often you hear about houses in Malibu that jump off a cliff. We have had several expensive homes slide down hills here in Portland this year. In this case it wasn't shoddy construction or lack of maintenance. There was a severe case of bad engineering to build houses there.
And in this case it strikes me as a whole bunch of corners were being cut. You saw the same kind of thing at Love Canal, where the school district condemned a toxic waste dump to build a school. The company said, ok, build here, but not there. The school district sold the really bad parts of the dump to a developer. some folks get rich quick, and some die slowly.
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Not exactly (http://www.concretenetwork.com/concrete/foundations.htm)
The problem is that a slab itself it not think enough to bear the load though you can pour it a little thicker where the foundation would normally go. Like so...
(http://www.concretenetwork.com/photo-gallery/images/300x200Max/site_26/concretenetwork-com_6177.jpg)
That type slab/pour was called a "monolithic slab" where I come from....without the gravel under the thick part. The thick part went down to original ground or to a depth deemed thick enough to support the load. There are several industrial buildings and appartments complex's around here that I graded for that used that type pour and they've had no problems.
I did do one job that had a problem....not my fault. The concrete company contracted all the concrete work. They furnished all the concrete and labor to pour and finish. Pretty long slabs with no expansion joints. The slabs cracked and had cracks that were wide enough and deep enough that I could stick my knife blade 3/4" deep in them. These cracks happened before the buildings went up so they had to rip it all out and start over.