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Orwellian_Ghost (1000+ posts) Journal Wed Dec-31-08 09:47 AM
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Why I Am a Socialist
Why I Am a Socialist
By Chris Hedges
snipped copy-n-paste and link to original
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4742720
Oh, Do please tell us why..
leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Dec-31-08 10:23 AM
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8. as usual
Chris is spot on. I may move to Germany.
Watch the door don't hit yer ass on the way out.
el_bryanto Donating Member (192 posts) Wed Dec-31-08 12:37 PM
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13. I get stymied by what actually is meant by socialism
If socialism means a well regulated market system, with strong environmental protections and workers rights, and a secure safety net, well, that sounds great. If socialism is moving away from a market system to a centrally controlled economy, well, I'm not as keen on that.
Bryant
Orwellian_Ghost (1000+ posts) Journal Wed Dec-31-08 01:10 PM
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15. You are probably against socialism then
Too bad about that.
Then again you may want to investigate some more I could be wrong.
The Market and socialism are incompatible. There are also many myths of the well-regulated market which is in and of itself an impossibility but if you have any historical examples of such I'd be interested.
The Market is the oppression of us all. It is no more than gussied up feudalism so the idea of it being "well regulated" is only acceptable, in fact preferred, for the gentry. In that way the chains which are upon the majority of people can be disguised.
I wonder if it hurts to be this naive and stupid.
Plenty more examples of stupid (and a few voices of dissent) over at the DUmp.
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Oh, Do please tell us why..
Watch the door don't hit yer ass on the way out.
I wonder if it hurts to be this naive and stupid.
Plenty more examples of stupid (and a few voices of dissent) over at the DUmp.
I tend to think that Stalin would have been alternately orgasmic and apoplectic over the quality of "useful" (using the term extremely loosely) idiots at the DUmp.
Josef can have 'em, far as I'm concerned.
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"Why am I a Socialist"....because you're a lazy DUmbass.
Next question.
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The Market is the oppression of us all. It is no more than gussied up feudalism so the idea of it being "well regulated" is only acceptable, in fact preferred, for the gentry. In that way the chains which are upon the majority of people can be disguised.
When you show up in my driveway for the food I can grow on the farm you will find what your beloved socialism has to offer and you won`t like it.
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When you show up in my driveway for the food I can grow on the farm you will find what your beloved socialism has to offer and you won`t like it.
They're welcome to purchase said food. Preferably with gold. I'd even offer a labor-4-food trade system if I needed labor at the time and they actually put in a good days work.
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The free market and globalization, promised as the route to worldwide prosperity, have been exposed as a con game.
Says the "intelligent" American, citizen of the most prosperous country in the world thanks to the free market and capitilization.
Christopher Lynn Hedges (born 18 September 1956 in St. Johnsbury, Vermont) is a journalist and author, specializing in American and Middle Eastern politics and society.
Hedges is currently a senior fellow at The Nation Institute in New York City and a Lecturer in the Council of the Humanities and the Anschutz Distinguished Fellow at Princeton University. He spent nearly two decades as a foreign correspondent in Central America, the Middle East, Africa and the Balkans. He has reported from more than fifty countries, and has worked for The Christian Science Monitor, National Public Radio, The Dallas Morning News, and The New York Times, where he was a reporter for fifteen years.
With a blurb like that, you'd think the man would notice the problems with socialism, wouldn't you? :loser:
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They're welcome to purchase said food. Preferably with gold. I'd even offer a labor-4-food trade system if I needed labor at the time and they actually put in a good days work.
I probably would too but something tells me this lot has no consideration for their side of the exchange. :lmao:
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When you show up in my driveway for the food I can grow on the farm you will find what your beloved socialism has to offer and you won`t like it.
Does "what socialism has to offer" consist of a 130-grain boat-tail hollow point? :cheersmate:
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Does "what socialism has to offer" consist of a 130-grain boat-tail hollow point? :cheersmate:
:-)
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On my property, it's a 168 grain Hornady AMax.
At the vast and opulent Hacksaw compound, it's 230 grain Winchester jacketed hollow points in .45 acp!
The beautiful Mrs. Hacksaw gave me a wonderful Christmas present and I am just itching to try it out.
(http://www.tommygun.com/imgs/img_PA_t1.jpg)
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Orwellian_Ghost
The Market is the oppression of us all. It is no more than gussied up feudalism so the idea of it being "well regulated" is only acceptable, in fact preferred, for the gentry. In that way the chains which are upon the majority of people can be disguised.
Nothing like wanting the gov't to be the oppression of us all.
What an idiot.
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BC and HACKSAW, I have only this to say--to each his own.
Here, because of the possibility of "collateral damage," I'd be going with . . . 160-grain Hornady Flex-Tips, from the LEVERevolution rounds.
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But seriously, here's what I don't get...these kinds of threads come up quite a bit around there so if this is truly how these people feel why don't they just move to a country where socialism thrives, it's not like we're Cuba and won't let our citizens move to a place where they can find a better life. There's no reason one should feel oppressed when there are many socialist paradises to choose from. Those of us who believe capitalism works best can stay here and be the greedy pigs we were meant to be. Someone's got to foot the bill for the world's stupid social experiments and socialist countries are so busy paying for programs they have nothing left. I mean, I know it's super cool and totally IN to say you're a socialist at DU but how many times can you agree and pat each other on the back?
Cindie
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I tend to think that Stalin would have been alternately orgasmic and apoplectic over the quality of "useful" (using the term extremely loosely) idiots at the DUmp.
Josef can have 'em, far as I'm concerned.
Ol Joe would have them shot or digging ore out of Siberia. He wasn't too much on people bitching about stuff. He liked his masses silent and obedient.
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But seriously, here's what I don't get...these kinds of threads come up quite a bit around there so if this is truly how these people feel why don't they just move to a country where socialism thrives, it's not like we're Cuba and won't let our citizens move to a place where they can find a better life.
There's no reason one should feel oppressed when there are many socialist paradises to choose from. Those of us who believe capitalism works best can stay here and be the greedy pigs we were meant to be. Someone's got to foot the bill for the world's stupid social experiments and socialist countries are so busy paying for programs they have nothing left. I mean, I know it's super cool and totally IN to say you're a socialist at DU but how many times can you agree and pat each other on the back?
Problem, madam.
You're thinking the socialists, Democrats, liberals, and primitives want to be happy.
No, they don't; they want the rest of us to be wretched and miserable.
That's why they won't move away.
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Ol Joe would have them shot or digging ore out of Siberia. He wasn't too much on people bitching about stuff. He liked his masses silent and obedient.
That is the one truism that the fools on the island will never grasp....they would be the first to be "disappeared" under a socialist regime because they contribute nothing and demand everything.