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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: USA4ME on December 31, 2008, 12:53:34 PM
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cbc5g
Poll question: Did Obama genuinely become a Christian or did he become that way for political purposes?
In his book The Audacity of Hope, Barack Obama writes:
"I was not raised in a religious household. For my mother, organized religion too often dressed up closed-mindedness in the garb of piety, cruelty and oppression in the cloak of righteousness. However, in her mind, a working knowledge of the world's great religions was a necessary part of any well-rounded education. In our household the Bible, the Koran, and the Bhagavad Gita sat on the shelf alongside books of Greek and Norse and African mythology.
On Easter or Christmas Day my mother might drag me to church, just as she dragged me to the Buddhist temple, the Chinese New Year celebration, the Shinto shrine, and ancient Hawaiian burial sites.In sum, my mother viewed religion through the eyes of the anthropologist; it was a phenomenon to be treated with a suitable respect, but with a suitable detachment as well. "
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Obviously he's not a Muslim, that was a scare tactic used by Republicans. But I'm betting he still holds onto the views of his mother. IMO he's much too intellectual to really believe in the Bible or that some mystery man named Jesus, who is half God, came here to save us by getting killed.
IMO he became Christian when he came to Chicago because it was the only way to advance in politics. Trinity Church provided the backdrop to get his name out there and to get to know powerful figures. Not saying that it's a bad thing, he had to do what he had to do to if he wanted to change things. You can't get ahead in American politics if you aren't Christian. Just wondering what people here think.
(poll)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4743824
So far:
Yes, he genuinely became a Christian - 46%
No, he is secretly a skeptic/atheist like his mother and is only a Christian for political purposes - 54%
brandnewlaptop
5. nice try
way to undermine Obama
el_bryanto
9. So it's not a bad thing to be a fraud?
Interesting opinion.
That said I don't believe that Obama is a fraud; rather I think he does believe. I doubt his faith is simplistic and he's clearly not a fundamentalist or dominionist, but you can be an admirable person and a Christian.
Bryant
The el_bryanto primitve just recently changed his user name. If someone remembers his old name, please let me know.
There's this exchange.
Veganistan
13. So you find it self-soothing to believe that Obama is a liar - because you wish he would conform to your view of faith.
How narrow.
cbc5g
15. Haha let me know when a skeptic or an atheist can get far in politics
You have to do what you have to do.
Is Obama a fraud if he believes that Gay's should get married but says they shouldn't for political purposes? Because that's what the prevailing view is in America right now? Is Obama a fraud when 4 years ago he said Marijuana should be decriminalized but now says nothing of the sort?
Many of you here have no idea what politics is all about. Its not a cozy little goody goody game.
Others......
laconicsax
14. This poll boils down to two choices:
Is he telling the truth?
Is he a liar on a grandiose scale?
I prefer the former.
Let's presume for a moment that Obama isn't religious and it's all a game. He claims his opposition to marriage equality on religious grounds. He also gave a lengthy speech in 2006 that talked about his love of religion and belief that religious faith is one of the most important things in his life and should be universal. He invited two pastors to give prayers at his inauguration and intends to be sworn in on a Bible.
If that's all a sham, then he is the worst sort of human being.
He's the worst sort of human being anyway, but that is already known.
polichick
18. imo there are signs that he uses religion for political purposes...
...joining Trinity when it worked for him and discarding Wright when he became a media hound, and now latching onto this bestselling con man Warren.
My background is in anthropology too and I really appreciate the wide view Obama's mother gave him. But you can be grounded in your spirituality and not the slightest bit religious ~ I hope Barack has that.
rucky
25. A if you trust him, B if you don't.
This poll is less about him and more about us.
True.
Naturyl
37. I think he did what he had to do.
It could be genuine, but I'd be incredibly naive to think that political pressure didn't help.
Over half have no problem with their lord and savior lying to them for political purposes.
Attn DUmmies: If he's willing to lie about his religious beliefs (and over half of you are saying that he did), he'll lie about other things to you. If you don't believe that, or if you believe that lying about this one thing is less important than lying about other things, then you're too stupid to breathe. You've been upset for 8 years because you (falsely) believed you were lied to about events, but now it's OK. You're hypocrites of the highest order. I know that's beyond your ability to grasp, but do try, will ya?
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A Christian that doesn't believe Jesus existed, A Christian that doesn't believe in the Diety of Christ. Must be one of them new way Christians. :whatever:
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A Christian that doesn't believe Jesus existed, A Christian that doesn't believe in the Diety of Christ. Must be one of them new way Christians. :whatever:
Those are called "Xtians." :fuelfire: :tongue:
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It is fun to see them twist and turn to try to make believe two opposite things are true.
Interesting how quickly they are ready to point out any misstep made by a conservative that professes a Christian belief as them being a hypocrit.
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It is fun to see them twist and turn to try to make believe two opposite things are true.
Interesting how quickly they are ready to point out any misstep made by a conservative that professes a Christian belief as them being a hypocrit.
Any conservative that so much as thinks about using God , or Christ in a conversation is considered to be trying to bring about a theocracy.
Any liberal does it and it they argue semantics about it.