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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: formerlurker on December 30, 2008, 04:02:20 PM
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I don't go to the DU, but Frank's thread about favorite forum made me take a peek at this juvenile misfit playground. I got a nice long chuckle from this post in a thread about nonsense:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3663260&mesg_id=3663568
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/el-vampiro/camps101.jpg)
(http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/campfence.jpg)
(http://femacampr.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/femacamp.jpg)
(http://www.joe-anybody.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/femacampsjoeanybody.jpg)
(http://concernedhumanity.net/cmp_2.jpg)
"Aerial shot of 500000 plastic coffins at one of these cites."
(http://atsmedia.cachefly.net/uploads/ats50415_coffin2.jpg)
Oh the humanity!! Thank gosh golly I am a law abiding neocon and am thus immune from the facist army bastards coming to take away my mtv!!!
Tandalayo_Scheisskopf (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-29-08 05:43 PM
Response to Reply #103
132. Interestingly...
A guy was telling me, the other day, that his son worked on a large construction project at the Tobyhanna PA Army/GSA Depot, which has a shitload of rail links going into it and he said that what they built could be nothing but a concentration camp. A huge one......
:lmao:
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TwoSparkles
148. You know what is really curious about all of this?
Bush only has 22 days left before he is history.
The neocons spent decades, trying to get into power. It was a struggle, but slowly they metastasized into
our government, and they've called the shots for the past eight years.
Obama won. Are they really going to give up power?
Will they really go quietly away, after finally getting into power? If Obama unravels their damage, most of them
will never live to see another neocon takeover. It will be a few decades before it could happen again.
It just makes you wonder... Will they leave? Will some "event" happen before Jan 20? Or, once Obama is in, will
they somehow control the shots, behind the scenes or otherwise?
I don't see these people saying, "Ok, we're done with our evil, murdering, torture and subversion of the Constitution.
We'll go away and try to get into power some other day." That makes less sense than anything else.
Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmm...
:mental:
Now I know why the cat hangs out downstairs. If it could only get rid of the sparkling husband primitive at least one normal "being" could be in the house.
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OMG Bring on the STUPID!!!!!
LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-29-08 12:04 PM
Response to Original message
1. Wake up, America.
Wake the **** up...fast.
crikkett (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-29-08 12:45 PM
Response to Reply #1
20. suggest a course of action. wake up and do what?
thanks.
subsuelo (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-29-08 02:06 PM
Response to Reply #20
57. My first recommendation - turn off the major tv networks
Start getting your news and information from
Democracy Now
Link TV
DU
AlterNet
Znet
thats just for starters.
But why oh why would Mr. Obama throw them in prison camps we wonders?! :lmao:
KakistocracyHater (463 posts) Mon Dec-29-08 07:59 PM
Response to Reply #20
153. govorners pass legislation banning military activities
on American soil/in their state; do this at the Mayoral level if necessary. Invoke Posse Comitatus Act(sp?)
THAt will be sure to stop an armored division. "Umm... The Mayor says you have to leave now..." :-)
rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Tue Dec-30-08 09:49 AM
Response to Reply #176
178. Of course, so they won't come for all of us at once. First they will come for the immigrants.
And we will remain silent.
We are not immigrants.
Then they will come for the gays
and most will remain silent
For most are not gay
Then they will come for the "secular progressives" and liberals
again most will remain silent
Then the union members.
Then the teachers.
Then the intellectuals.
And finally the gulllibles stand alone.
But at least we won't have to listen to YOUR whiny ass any more...
truedelphi (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-29-08 03:05 PM
Response to Reply #3
76. The official CIA web site used to have a listing in which it
Discussed how important it was to figure out a way to motivate people in the Armed Services to detain or kill their fellow American citizens.
This was circa early 2002. I think that by sending thousands of Americans to fight endlesly in Iraq, routinely kicking in the doors of the families there, and hauling the Iraqis off to prison where they were abused, also by Americans, that our military is currently equipped psychologically.
As long as we are labelled terrorists, of course. Or looters. Or whatever (Don't forget that the poice fired on people in NO - based on skin color. White people foraging in stores for bread and milk - they were people looking out for their families.
Black people doing the same were "looters" and there was a 'shoot to kill' order out.)
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-29-08 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #3
93. To be completely honest, many of them have no problem
killing children.....is it a stretch to believe they would have a problem killing americans? I dont think that the same ones who would commit this horror would hesitate to kill us.
http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20040504_1.htm
**** you very much.
wolfgangmo (280 posts) Tue Dec-30-08 12:52 PM
Response to Reply #3
195. YOu mean the new skinhead aryan and gangbanger troops?
Those troops. I don't think they will have a problem blasting people.
Thanks Mr. Bush. I feel much safer now.
TwoSparkles (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-29-08 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #12
148. You know what is really curious about all of this?
Bush only has 22 days left before he is history.
The neocons spent decades, trying to get into power. It was a struggle, but slowly they metastasized into
our government, and they've called the shots for the past eight years.
Obama won. Are they really going to give up power?
Will they really go quietly away, after finally getting into power? If Obama unravels their damage, most of them
will never live to see another neocon takeover. It will be a few decades before it could happen again.
It just makes you wonder... Will they leave? Will some "event" happen before Jan 20? Or, once Obama is in, will
they somehow control the shots, behind the scenes or otherwise?
I don't see these people saying, "Ok, we're done with our evil, murdering, torture and subversion of the Constitution.
We'll go away and try to get into power some other day." That makes less sense than anything else.
Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmm...
:whatever:
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THAt will be sure to stop an armored division. "Umm... The Mayor says you have to leave now..." :-)
:lmao:
:rotf:
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"Posse Comitatus"... Dummies have dyslexia...they read that as "comatose *****".
....and they're all for it.
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-29-08 01:37 PM
Response to Original message
46. Wow! Maybe when we're in the streets because we're all broke,
homeless and hungry we'll see what kind of Americans our military is really made up of. Will they attack American citizens? Will they kill for corporate Amurika?
awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-29-08 07:02 PM
Response to Reply #46
145. "Will they attack American citizens?"
They are, right now, being conditioned, in Iraq, to see dead civilians. Will they attack? Some, no. Most, yes.
Stay Classy you scamps. :whatever:
Kashka-Kat (788 posts) Mon Dec-29-08 02:03 PM
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54. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE NATL GUARD????????????????
Edited on Mon Dec-29-08 02:06 PM by Kashka-Kat
Dumb ass reporters always ignore history, leave out the most germane points - no mention that this used to be function of natl guard under command of state govt and that the policy using federalized troops on US soil at the command of the president is actually a new development.
Hmmm well maybe I just dreamed that! Guess it was always like that huh?
How convenient too that we now have the legal groundwork laid to equate civil disobedience with terrorism/ terrorist sympathizers/ enemy combatants and the structure is in place to "disappear" people via "extraordinary rendition."
fudge stripe cookays (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-29-08 06:23 PM
Response to Reply #54
140. They're all in Iraq or Afghanistan.
That way they can justify using "private troops" to enforce the peace.
A friend of ours is in the TX National Guard. 2 tours in Iraq, and two in Afghanistan since that ****ing asshole took office. The only reason he didn't just walk is because he needed the bennies.
Winebrat (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-29-08 02:06 PM
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56. Strategic Shock? What double-speak B.S. is that?
Besides, the Commander-in-Chief, President Obama, will be too smart and too prepared to let this happen. Not like his dumb-ass, do-nothing predecessor.
This report smells like Republican bullshit.
Daemonaquila (133 posts) Mon Dec-29-08 02:30 PM
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65. The military needs a raison d'etre.
I may be a broken record on this point, but here we go again. When we get the troops (and contractors) back from Iraq and Afghanistan, we're looking at over 200,000 people, probably more, who don't have a military or civilian job to return to here at home. That's going to be another giant kick to the economic 'nads. The military is already worried that it'll have no sandbox to play in, and that there will be no reason to maintain the number of active duty troops or the level of military procurement that it's used to. The War College is looking for something to do, and that something could be right here on our own streets as far as they are concerned. We will probably have that "economic collapse" to some extent, whether before the troops come home or more likely when that load of unemployed folks (with injuries large and small and in many cases PTSD) hits our streets.
There's nothing more dangerous than a military with too much time on its hands... except a civilian government willing to give it lots of rein.
acmavm (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-29-08 05:03 PM
Response to Reply #69
117. But don't you see the hilarity, the irony? The CIC is a ****ing AWOL little
lying coward. A guy who ran when it came time for him to do his 'duty'. It wasn't like the stupid **** was even going to Nam like my ex and all our friends (a couple we didn't know we were seeing for the last time).
So this chickenshit piece of human garbage wants to rig it so that the military attacks US.
So you personally didn't serve but Bush is a Chickenhawk... Riiiiight.
L0oniX (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-29-08 02:59 PM
Response to Original message
75. So do ya still support our troops?
robinlynne (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-29-08 03:07 PM
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77. well, they just sent 20,000 troops here to the US, did'nt they. This is the kind of
thing we have been afraid of....
martymar64 (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-29-08 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #77
134. 20000 troops probably couldn't subdue a large city like NY or LA
much less an entire state or the entire USA. We are simply too large and varied geographically to be easily subdued. Guerillas hiding out in the Smokies or the Rockies or the Cascades or the Sierras would be exceedingly difficult to pacify, even with our modern technological army. Imagine the Pakistani Tribal mountain areas but by a factor of 100.
robinlynne (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-29-08 06:12 PM
Response to Reply #134
137. the point is that the military is not supposed to act here to subdue the population.
20,000 easily becomes 100,000. It's like spying on some people or torturing some people. What guerillas are in the mountains in the US, by the way?
martymar64 (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-29-08 06:18 PM
Response to Reply #137
138. No guerillas yet , that I know of . . .
But that could all change if the govt decided to get nasty with us. Plus, where would the 100K troops come from? That would entail having to pull troops out of Iraq and other places for combat-effective troops. To pacify the Lower 48, one would probably need 2-3 million troops (a guess), in other words out entire Armed Forces both here and abroad. I just don't see that happening.
Holy Shit the Stupid BURNSSSSSS!!!
ejbrush (80 posts) Tue Dec-30-08 12:48 AM
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172. Just wait whiles't I adjust my tinfoil hat...
OK, that's better. Honestly, I cannot foresee this scenario playing out in the real world. But, the last 8 years have amply illustrated that reality in this country is about as reliable as a second-hand Yugo. What should rational folk do when the shit hits the fan?
FIGHT.
Die in the process, maybe, probably. But definately fight. If one lesson should be learned from the previous century's orgy of genocide, mass murder and other crap it is once the facists are in charge, your days are numbered anyway.
Right now, today, you may just as well get together with a couple of good friends, a bottle of decent bourbon and concoct a plan. Learn first aid, for yourself and your kin. Learn what wild plants are edible around the neighborhood. Learn the neighborhood, and how to get around where the Eyes won't see you. Read up on all the ugly, nasty stuff that people have done to each other throughout history and figure out how the survivors survived. Take a firearms course, learn what guns can and can't do. Learn archery. Learn bowling. Get yourself gassed, tear-gas sucks and once the panic wears off it still sucks, and it's good to know you won't die from it, necessarily. Buy a good sleeping bag. Have a couple weeks worth of canned goods, non-perishables and water in the pantry. Learn to like rice and beans. Learn how to make wine or beer at home. Learn how to filter diesel fuel through a jacket liner. Learn to read the clouds. Learn to tell a good story. Learn to sleep on a hard floor. Learn how to chop wood with an axe and dig a damn big hole by hand. Get to know your neighbors. Learn. Learn. Learn.
Do this with a couple of like-minded people you know and trust. Keep it to yourselves, don't be a moron and broadcast it. If nothing happens, you've learned a bunch of interesting stuff, some of which may even be usefull, who does't like bowling? If, gods/goddesses forbid the shitheads do try and pull off the big one, you'll at least have a few people around you for support, people on the right side of history, the side of progress. Maybe you'll meet another little group of patriots, and you can hoof it out of Dodge. Maybe you can join up with 100 little groups and storm the Bastille.
Rant off, returning to normalcy.
I would pay money to see the pack of Retards DU could field trying to fight a Girl Scout Troop let alone the U.S. Military.
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I dunno.
There's nothing more dangerous than a military with too much time on its hands... except a civilian government willing to give it lots of rein.
I think that it's dangerous for freedom and liberty and democracy and decency and goodness and national security, with primitives with too much time on their hands.
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Speechless. :mental:
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-29-08 12:04 PM
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1. Wake up, America.
Wake the **** up...fast.
Holy sh*t it lives.
BYW...the folks who had the chat with you at Ft. Hood say howdy! :bird:
In fact I see the General in D.C. all the time.
Obama won. Are they really going to give up power?
I wish I was there to see you choke on your own remorse on Inauguration Day when The Rookie takes over and NONE of what you're hoping for happens.
That's right I said you and the rest of the mental midget shallow gene pool swimmers WANT this crap to happen so you can feel vindicated and justified for terrorizing those around you for the last eight years with your paranoid delusional rants about concentration camps and "marshall law".
:whatever: Effin Morons!
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The pathetic thing about those pictures is that there is a perfectly sane non CT explanation for every one of them.
Most of them look like border fences...security check points or fenced areas to store ammo when you're in the field.
And a couple of them do NOT look recent and do NOT look like they are in this country.
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This is one of my favorate CTs. The radical right used to be sure Carter and then Clinton were bulding huge camps for them, then the radical left took over the entire project, down to the pictures of the back of roadsigns bearing barcode for the Army to round up people!
Camp Atterbury, Indiana, where I was assigned before coming to Space Command!,...sorry, you have to say it like that, or they send you on an away team...
...er, where was I...
AH yes, Atterbury! Where we personally built camps to house up to 2000!!!
Look it up.
It's real.
:-*
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Best I can tell, none of them have even mentioned that the letter is dated "March 24, 1997" when (tada!!) Clinton was in office.
I wish I was there to see you choke on your own remorse on Inauguration Day when The Rookie takes over and NONE of what you're hoping for happens.
It's gonna morph into something else, maybe something in the order of "Il Duce is having to fight off a secret gov't of neo-cons who are behind the scenes twarting every policy and move our lord and savior is trying to do in order to serve the people and not the corporations," or some such nonsense as that.
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Best I can tell, none of them have even mentioned that the letter is dated "March 24, 1997" when (tada!!) Clinton was in office.
Meh...can't let something as trivial as facts get in the way of a good CT.
It's gonna morph into something else, maybe something in the order of "Il Duce is having to fight off a secret gov't of neo-cons who are behind the scenes twarting every policy and move our lord and savior is trying to do in order to serve the people and not the corporations," or some such nonsense as that.
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But unless there is a complete takeover of the house and senate in two years by the Republicans...that argument is moot.
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But unless there is a complete takeover of the house and senate in two years by the Republicans...that argument is moot.
To quote a friend of mine: "Meh...can't let something as trivial as facts get in the way of a good CT." :)
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To quote a friend of mine: "Meh...can't let something as trivial as facts get in the way of a good CT." :)
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Touche!
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"Aerial shot of 500000 plastic coffins at one of these cites."...what are the plastic coffins for? I thought everyone agreed to go green and compost'em?
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Did any of the DUmmieses note the date on the memo, and ponder on who was the President at that time?
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"Aerial shot of 500000 plastic coffins at one of these cites."...what are the plastic coffins for? I thought everyone agreed to go green and compost'em?
I almost put some merlot onto the monitor while reading that. H5!
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I've always enjoyed concentrating and tend to take 5-15 minutes out of the day to just focus on something to the exclusion of all other thoughts just to hone my mental power but I've never liked camping too much. Seems like something I could do better at home.
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If we really did build concentration camps for liberals, I can tell you one thing.
I would take a pay cut to be a guard. It would be GREAT!
UP would get all uppity, and me and a few of the boys could frog march her to the cooler.
Catch Will Pitt with an illegal still, and me and a few of the boys could frog march him to the cooler.
TiT would lie to the commandant, and me and a few of the boys could frog march him to the cooler.
We could make college professors listen to Newt's history lecture tapes.
We could drape American flags and Pres Bush photos on the Dixie Chicks and post them on the net.
We could make Hillary iron shirts.
Ann Coulter's columns would be read daily over the loudspeakers.
there is just so much potential. I would SO be a guard there!
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Did any of the DUmmieses note the date on the memo, and ponder on who was the President at that time?
They hate the Clintons now so it doesn't matter. I mean Clinton was obviously a BFEE schill. I don't know why they think The Big 0 isn't. If the Big 0 was elected it is because Lord Rove willed it so and who am I to argue with the Sith Lord?
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Holy sh*t it lives.
BYW...the folks who had the chat with you at Ft. Hood say howdy! :bird:
In fact I see the General in D.C. all the time.
I wish I was there to see you choke on your own remorse on Inauguration Day when The Rookie takes over and NONE of what you're hoping for happens.
That's right I said you and the rest of the mental midget shallow gene pool swimmers WANT this crap to happen so you can feel vindicated and justified for terrorizing those around you for the last eight years with your paranoid delusional rants about concentration camps and "marshall law".
:whatever: Effin Morons!
Somebody needs to use a bug bomb on Canada and drive out the vermin.
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If we really did build concentration camps for liberals,
What do you mean if? They exist. I took a ride on a black helicopter and saw one once.
Now where in the hell did I put my tinfoil hat?
:thatsright:
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Dammit, now we'll have to kill them. Early, I mean.
:evillaugh:
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Um... Where are the coffins in that pic?
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Dr. True Ott July 18, 2008
"It was reported that 500,000 plastic coffins are being stored in Georgia near the Atlanta International Airport—a clue that health officials are not just "anticipating" a flu pandemic but are planning for it.
"State Preparedness Influenza Response Exercises (SPIRE) have been conducted in earnest in all 50 states from 2006 to the present with a recent sense of urgency confirming suspicions that an outbreak is imminent. An article by A. True Ott, PhD, a naturopathic physician with a doctorate in nutrition, has connected the dots on how a global flu pandemic is most likely to get jump started in the very near future. Dr. True Ott reminds his readers that Prescott Bush was heavily invested in the World War II era pharmaceutical giant I.G. Farben that is now the Sanofi Aventis Group, with their vaccine division being Sanofi Pasteur. Mike Leavitt was appointed to the position of Secretary of HHS by George W. Bush and both of them have stated that, should a flu pandemic occur, 100 to 200 million Americans will die."
A place that sells them:
http://www.polyguardvaults.com/index.cfm?ID=9
It is an emergency stock of plastic body vaults in case of a pandemic or a mass casualty event on a massive scale. If something happened and these things weren't available the Manginas on DU would be howling and beating their aging breasts over the unburied bodies. :whatever:
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Did any of the DUmmieses note the date on the memo, and ponder on who was the President at that time?
Bushitler has 20 days to take over one of the most populous, decentralized, privately-armed countries in the world. He'd better get cracking. The only other option is that the Obamessiah, who is conspicuously quiet right now, is plotting that same coup.
I mean, look at it: Bush has done nothing but preserve and promote liberties in the US, despite an unprecedented terrorist attack. Obama hasn't even been sworn in, yet the War College is opining on how to control the populace. Hm. At whose feet would I lay the blame for martial law? I'm sure the DUmmies would be proud to get relocated to Obama Acres for re-education, though.
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-29-08 05:03 PM
Response to Reply #69
117. But don't you see the hilarity, the irony? The CIC is a ****ing AWOL little
lying coward. A guy who ran when it came time for him to do his 'duty'. It wasn't like the stupid **** was even going to Nam like my ex and all our friends (a couple we didn't know we were seeing for the last time).
So this chickenshit piece of human garbage wants to rig it so that the military attacks
Ahem....how many years did the immoral sack of shit Clinton and the non-citizen Magic Negro serve in the Armed Forces?
**** off you old burnt out bong sucking socially engineered hippie parasite, **** right off!
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A guy who ran when it came time for him to do his 'duty'.
(http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/GW_BUSH_IN_FLIGHT_SUIT_AS_YOUNG_AIR_FORCE_LT.jpg)
(http://img59.exs.cx/img59/2828/george_bush_uniform.jpg)
That's FIRST LIEUTENANT Bush to you fu*khead. F-102 interceptor pilot 147th TFW Texas Air National Guard.
He was going supersonic over the Gulf Of Mexico and volunteering for Palace Guard duty in Vietnam when you were still figuring out what to do with your boner.
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I had heard that F-102 pilots, every time they took off, vastly increased their chances of dying moreso than an "average" fighter pilot. Something about the single-engine design and the delta wing configuration, and the lack of a fly-by-wire system; adding up to make the Delta Dagger a royal mofo to fly. There was a squadron (or so) at Griffiss AFB in Rome, with the B-52G wing that was there.
It really did take a "rocket scientist" to fly one.
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(http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/GW_BUSH_IN_FLIGHT_SUIT_AS_YOUNG_AIR_FORCE_LT.jpg)
(http://img59.exs.cx/img59/2828/george_bush_uniform.jpg)
That's FIRST LIEUTENANT Bush to you fu*khead. F-102 interceptor pilot 147th TFW Texas Air National Guard.
He was going supersonic over the Gulf Of Mexico and volunteering for Palace Guard duty in Vietnam when you were still figuring out what to do with your boner.
I love that... John Kerry joined the Inactive Naval Reserves to try to get around going to Vietnam. He just got the poor luck of being one of the few actually activated. So to speed his time up, he volunteers to join a "dangerous" unit, manufactures injuries, and fights kicking and screaming to get sent home early.
Barack Obama spent several days in Iraq on a photo-op.
These people are just to much. :lmao:
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I had heard that F-102 pilots, every time they took off, vastly increased their chances of dying moreso than an "average" fighter pilot. Something about the single-engine design and the delta wing configuration, and the lack of a fly-by-wire system; adding up to make the Delta Dagger a royal mofo to fly. There was a squadron (or so) at Griffiss AFB in Rome, with the B-52G wing that was there.
It really did take a "rocket scientist" to fly one.
My husband was stationed at Griffiss for 6 years, I will ask him about it when he wakes up. I remember when he used to bitch about SAC alert (he laughs about that now). OT -The B-52 is my absolute favorite plane. It is incredibly intimidating. I remember (this was 20 years ago), knowing when my husband was landing because I could hear the planes coming 5 minutes or so before they would pass over the house. Sometimes the cable would go snowy when they passed. Watching 6 of them take off with some tankers, one after the other, is something every little boy should witness. Totally cool.
I do recall reading that GWB had a ton of flying hours so the guy flew his ass off. Only a total tool moron would disregard the importance of GWB's squadron's mission during that time.
While GWB has taken an incredible beating by the press, history will be very kind to him. Our spoiled instant news generation will perhaps finally understand the importance of his administration when it is compared to history, and democracy in the ME is firmly rooted.
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My husband was stationed at Griffiss for 6 years, I will ask him about it when he wakes up. I remember when he used to bitch about SAC alert (he laughs about that now). OT -The B-52 is my absolute favorite plane. It is incredibly intimidating. I remember (this was 20 years ago), knowing when my husband was landing because I could hear the planes coming 5 minutes or so before they would pass over the house. Sometimes the cable would go snowy when they passed. Watching 6 of them take off with some tankers, one after the other, is something every little boy should witness. Totally cool.
I do recall reading that GWB had a ton of flying hours so the guy flew his ass off. Only a total tool moron would disregard the importance of GWB's squadron's mission during that time.
While GWB has taken an incredible beating by the press, history will be very kind to him. Our spoiled instant news generation will perhaps finally understand the importance of his administration when it is compared to history, and democracy in the ME is firmly rooted.
Also, OT--I remember being on an ROTC exercise at my college, in the Adirondacks. What I didn't know at the time was that the land that we were using, owned by the school at the time, bordered a "nap-of-the-Earth" training corridor. I was on this hilltop, and this B-52 came roaring down a reservoir, on an NOE training mission, and I was able to look down on the top of the BUFF as it flew. Not a usual angle to see one. I know that if I was the object of said BUFF's attentions on the ground, I would have been more than a tad intimidated (more like petrified).
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This will be worth watching:
I814U (5 posts) Thu Jan-01-09 04:49 PM
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210. I Don't Think Obama can Save Us
We're progressives, we eschew things like military power so we don't become trained killers. We believe in education, healthcare and using the government to help people, not destroy, so we become teachers, nurses and work at the local government welfare offices.
But we underestimated our "political" rivals. They own the real instruments of power: the military, the CIA, the FBI, the ATF, NSA, DIA...the secret service.
Bush isn't smart enough to have fabricated this war, the neocons did it. They brought him an NIE and told him Saddam was a threat so he said, "Golly, that sounds bad," and so he sent us to war. He didn't build the camps, the neocons brought him a "government study" put it on his desk and told him it would be good to sign it and so he did.
In 19 more days we change presidents...but the generals, agency directors and "governmet experts" are still there. Oh sure, Obama can change many of the appointable positions but could he really fire the entire genreal staff? Imagine the howling coming from Limbaugh and his accomplices in the media. They would cast Obama as the no-service-neophyte-neutering-our-honorable-military-worse-than-Jimmy-Carter. He would be impotent by 2010.
So these neocons take our new president, sit him down in something called a transition briefing. They tell him that, no, he will not be interrupting their little war. In fact he better keep the old SecDef hanging around (can you imagine if Rummy was still lurking about and Obama was made to keep him?). He has to keep the recently promoted Petraeus and the rest. You see, that makes Obama complicitous. You can't prosecute the old regime and its flunkies for war crimes if you are maintaing the exact same illegal occupation and military operations. Then they tell him he needs to shut-up about Gitmo and "enhanced interrogation techniques" or he's going to get a taste of what Bush got on 09/11/01 and he'll be blamed because of his "bleeding-heart liberalism" allowed Amurika to be attacked thereby ruining the cons record of no-more-9/11's. You'll get worse than that caribou Barbie bitch in 2012. They'll put an outright, frothing warmonger out while running continuous loops of the "devastation at OBAMA'S ground zero" worse than any tightly parsed clips of Rev. Wright.
And if Obama still really--REALLY--doesn't want to play ball? Maybe he tries to back-channel the cons and go to congress to cut their money flow by redirecting it to civilian work projects or cutting the military budget to build more schools.
Well, we got lots of right-wing fundie macho mysogynist testosterone junkies that have been undergone intensive "psychological screening" and "trainging" and making sure they are "team players"; and then the cons give them guns and vests and and radios and they tell Obama, "they're going to guard you...and your wife...and your daughters." It'd be a shame if they slipped-up and didn't jump in front of that skinhead meth-addict in time. Accidents happen you know. I mean sometimes even shoes can get through...
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If that poster is a mole, he's a damned good one. I can't wait to see how he pulls the strings of the DUmmies, assuming he doesn't get the granite pillow.
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All the "Century Series" fighters were pretty tough on the pilot population, and although most types were deployed to Viet Nam, over their service lives the losses to aviation mishaps vastly exceeded combat losses (not counting the F-105 fighter-bomber, which was not a fighter first, but primarily a bomber). The delta design of the 102 and 106 required sustained high speed to fly at all, and if the powerplant hiccupped the pilot was very likely going to have a real bad day at the office, especially if that happened on departure or approach at under 500' in those days before the zero-altitude ejection seat was developed.
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Another thing for these galactic retards to think about is that the F-102 is the only one of the series of fighters at the time that had a seriuos lack of forward vision. The front windscreen had metal strips running up and down the front half and the cockpit wasn't the most roomy either.
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/cv_dusty/2875214881/)
(http://www.vaq136.com/mnangmuseum2/dagger-004b.jpg)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-102_Delta_Dagger
Now compare that F-102 cockpit to an F-16s
(http://johnsonland.org/Web410/image/F-16_Cockpit.jpg)
http://www.norad.mil/Images/Images_2008/162nd_FW_F-16_large.jpg
(http://www.mindspring.com/~mikegiebner/pictures/nugget_f-16_high_aoa_hero_1.jpg)
I'd say that the F-102 pilot had a little more difficult tile flying and landing then any one flying after they were finally retired in the 70's