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Current Events => General Discussion => Topic started by: Zeus on December 16, 2008, 11:17:58 AM
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People thats not the Tomb of the unknown.
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People thats not the Tomb of the unknown.
What is it then, Zeus?
Are you saying that TRG is making false claims about his participation as described above?
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What is it then, Zeus?
Are you saying that TRG is making false claims about his participation as described above?
I do think he is letting folks imagination lead them to that. There are many reasons I draw that conclusion. If I am Mistaken I will apoligise.
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Well, let's look at these pics again. Granted, TRG's picture was taken in the dark and the background isn't well lit.
Here's one pic of the Tomb in the daylight:
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i317/Eupher6/250px-Tomb_of_the_Unknowns.jpg)
And here's TRG's pic again:
(http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/3736/n104631493211073021220gu1.jpg)
I'm satisfied that TRG did EXACTLY what he said he did and that he's depicted in ACUs.
Furthermore, you didn't answer my question. If it isn't the Tomb of the Unknowns, then what is it?
You, sir, are administered a Bitch Slap. And, an apology might be in order.
Have a good Army day!
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Well, let's look at these pics again. Granted, TRG's picture was taken in the dark and the background isn't well lit.
Here's one pic of the Tomb in the daylight:
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i317/Eupher6/250px-Tomb_of_the_Unknowns.jpg)
And here's TRG's pic again:
(http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/3736/n104631493211073021220gu1.jpg)
I'm satisfied that TRG did EXACTLY what he said he did and that he's depicted in ACUs.
Furthermore, you didn't answer my question. If it isn't the Tomb of the Unknowns, then what is it?
You, sir, are administered a Bitch Slap. And, an apology might be in order.
Have a good Army day!
May be the tomb of the unknown but doubt TRG is officially on sentinel duty,especially in ACU's. Like I said if I am mistaken I will apoligise. TRG can hopefully clairify what's what.
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May be the tomb of the unknown but doubt TRG is officially on sentinel duty,especially in ACU's. Like I said if I am mistaken I will apoligise. TRG can hopefully clairify what's what.
I think he clarified everything in his original post. He's guarding the tomb on a volunteer basis. Why on earth would a volunteer wear the same uniform as a regular, trained Tomb guard? That doesn't make any sense. You questioning what is obviously truth, doesn't make any sense either.
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If you had read the thread, you would've seen this, posted by TRG:
It definitely rates as THE coolest thing I've done in my military career.
This time every year one of the local VFW's throws a Christmas party for the Tomb Guards and their family.
The ask for volunteers for that night to come down to the Tomb and take up the guard duty for the night.
The first year I was here I didn't know about it...last year I got sick days before and couldn't do it...this year I was bound and determined to make it happen.
I had two walks Saturday night...and I'm forever in their log book as having walked as a guard.
Your grandkids can go there 30 years form now and look in the book for 13 December 2008 and see my name listed.
TRG is more than capable of defending himself, I'm sure, but I can't let this slide.
Please re-read the thread, Zeus, and see for yourself.
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You've got to be shitting me right?
Zeus YOU of all people. WTF over?
And for your information...the Tomb Guards themselves switch to ACU's and a roving guard after the cemetery closes at 1700.
That's when they train the new guys. The first tomb guard reappears in full dress uniform the next morning at 0800.
But hey what the **** DO I KNOW.
I've only been stationed with the Old Guard for the last three ****ing years!
Jesus H. Christ. :thatsright:
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People thats not the Tomb of the unknown.
The hell it's not.
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I do think he is letting folks imagination lead them to that. There are many reasons I draw that conclusion. If I am Mistaken I will apoligise.
I think you should start working on that apology. :mental:
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Zeus, that was out of line and inappropriate!! Even this dumb ass Squid can see what's what. You SHOULD have asked, "Why the ACUs??". I'm not liking you very well right at the moment.......
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FFS Zeus. I see SSG TRG, with what looks like a 1st Armored Division combat patch, and an MDW patch on the left soldier. I also see TRG in front of the Tomb of the Unknown.
Calling him a liar is low as hell. TRG has been in that unit for quite some time since he, IIRC, came back from Iraq and after being stationed at Ft. Hood. It's not like any mofo can walk up to the Tomb of the Unknown and start walking around with a service rifle. :whatever:
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I do think he is letting folks imagination lead them to that. There are many reasons I draw that conclusion. If I am Mistaken I will apoligise.
Then you need to start working on that apology right now. Cause you got a lot of pissed of Service Members here who are telling you that you are wrong, and stepped way outta line with these comments.
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Awesome TX.
I didn't know about the ACU after hours thing. Is there a reason for that?
How's that apology coming along Zeus?
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People thats not the Tomb of the unknown.
:trump:
Please don't do this to TRG. It makes my blood boil.
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I do think he is letting folks imagination lead them to that. There are many reasons I draw that conclusion. If I am Mistaken I will apoligise.
We're waiting. Please explain.
:wtf3:
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I do think he is letting folks imagination lead them to that. There are many reasons I draw that conclusion. If I am Mistaken I will apoligise.
Well??
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Well??
It is generally a hole in the ground for obtaining either oil or water. :-)
Back on topic, I too was wondering.
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Zeus, what's the hold up on your apology ??
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Zeus, what's the hold up on your apology ??
I'm waiting on a reply back on a couple inquiries. If I am wrong I'll still be wrong later OK.
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I'm waiting on a reply back on a couple inquiries. If I am wrong I'll still be wrong later OK.
Inquiries on what? I've got your damn inquiries right here Zeus. You want my ****ing phone number to confirm...or would you like to talk to the Platoon Sergeant for the Tomb Guards?
I can give you both. PM me and I'll give them to you.
Perhaps you'd like me to post a picture of the Tomb Guards log book showing the entry with my name.
I'll be MORE than happy to provide that to you too.
Jesus H. Christ! :thatsright:
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Inquiries on what? I've got your damn inquiries right here Zeus. You want my ****ing phone number to confirm...or would you like to talk to the Platoon Sergeant for the Tomb Guards?
I can give you both. PM me and I'll give them to you.
Perhaps you'd like me to post a picture of the Tomb Guards log book showing the entry with my name.
I'll be MORE than happy to provide that to you too.
Jesus H. Christ! :thatsright:
Knock yourself out.
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I'm waiting on a reply back on a couple inquiries. If I am wrong I'll still be wrong later OK.
Inquiries? You made a Damn insult to a member of the United States Army, who happens to serve in the Military District of Washington and works with that particular unit, and you have to wait for someone to come here and back up your asinine ****ing claim?
You have some balls, Zeus. YOU made the ****ing claim, YOU back it the **** up.
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I'm waiting on a reply back on a couple inquiries. If I am wrong I'll still be wrong later OK.
You're a ****ing idiot!!! Inquiries, my ass. ****ing 'Tard.....
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BTW, I'm not easily riled, so you've accomplished something........
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Knock yourself out.
This is straight up bullshit Zeus. Every Veteran on this site is vouching for TRG, and no one else has had any question that this really happened. Your way the **** out of line on your "inquiries".
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I'm waiting on a reply back on a couple inquiries. If I am wrong I'll still be wrong later OK.
You have got to be shitting me? You are going to continue this bullshit?
TRG, I am sorry that a thread about one of the greatest moments in your career ended up here. This is really pissing me off.
I am not a vet, but have a great deal of respect for what TRG and other members of our military do for us, past and present.
Please Zeus, knock this shit off. :wtf3:
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You have got to be shitting me? You are going to continue this bullshit?
TRG, I am sorry that a thread about one of the greatest moments in your career ended up here. This is really pissing me off.
Actually I wasn't pushing/continuing anything. A great swell of "You must apologize" went out. I have repeatedly stated I am willing to offer an apology / not good enough though so then I made some inquiries. If I am wrong I am wrong and will admit so. I fail to see why verification is a no no unless.....
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I'm waiting on a reply back on a couple inquiries. If I am wrong I'll still be wrong later OK.
Sounds like you're just stalling. You ****ed up, you got called on it. Reach down, find that pair, man up, and apologize for your thoughtless comment, and let it go.
You're acting like a total asshat right now. Reminds me of the time a guy claimed I was never a submariner, even after I showed him a picture of me standing in "instrument alley" in AMR2UL.
Salvage whatever credibility you have left, while you still can.
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Actually I wasn't pushing/continuing anything. A great swell of "You must apologize" went out. I have repeatedly stated I am willing to offer an apology / not good enough though so then I made some inquiries. If I am wrong I am wrong and will admit so. I fail to see why verification is a no no unless.....
You are wrong, plain and simple. Now that you further implying that we're trying to cover for TRG is not putting you any further in anyones good graces.
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I fail to understand why you feel the need to verify what TRG posted and many of us Vets have already supported him on this. If it were bullshit, the flag would have been thrown long ago. Seems like you're being pretty chickenshit to me.
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Knock yourself out.
Check your PM's.
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Ok Zeus...you've got the numbers to my desk and to the Platoon Sergeant for the Tomb Guards.
Knock yourself out asshat.
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Actually I wasn't pushing/continuing anything. A great swell of "You must apologize" went out. I have repeatedly stated I am willing to offer an apology / not good enough though so then I made some inquiries. If I am wrong I am wrong and will admit so. I fail to see why verification is a no no unless.....
the burden of proof is on you, not TRG. we accept his post as factual. if you have proof to the contrary, please post it.
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Sounds like you're just stalling. You ****ed up, you got called on it. Reach down, find that pair, man up, and apologize for your thoughtless comment, and let it go.
You're acting like a total asshat right now. Reminds me of the time a guy claimed I was never a submariner, even after I showed him a picture of me standing in "instrument alley" in AMR2UL.
Salvage whatever credibility you have left, while you still can.
Ditto. And it's a rotten damn shame that this celebratory thread has deteriorated into this slug fest which, I might add, you are losing badly, Zeus.
Zeus, I don't know you from a hole in the ground, but I'm getting the sense that ANY hole in the ground has more integrity than you have right now. Embrace the suck and say what you need to say and move on -- if you can.
TRG, let it be known from this Army retiree that not only have you honored the memory of those Unknowns, but you've honored the nation by your support of the Sentinels.
That is awesome stuff.
:usflag:
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Wow is this still unresolved? That's just disgraceful. Much respect and love to you, TRG.
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Zeus's accusation was rather Cold-Warrior-ish, if you ask me. It was reminiscent of the crap that would happen from time time at TOS.
Just my $0.02.
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This is straight up bullshit Zeus. Every Veteran on this site is vouching for TRG, and no one else has had any question that this really happened. Your way the **** out of line on your "inquiries".
Even us civilians don't see any reason to question TRG. The reason I had initially asked him how he got chosen to guard the Tomb, as opposed to when he got badged as a sentinel, was because he wasn't walking the mat. The requirements to walk the mat are not uncommon knowledge (although I thought you had to be badged, didn't realize trainees were allowed to, so I learned something). Also, it's not a big secret that full dress is only worn during visitor hours.
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Wow is this still unresolved? That's just disgraceful. Much respect and love to you, TRG.
this issue is resolved.