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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on December 16, 2008, 06:17:42 PM
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Oh my.
The Idiot Briggs primitive.
I never cared much for the Idiot Briggs primitive, but after I found out that LibraryLady at our old home "felt sorry" for the Idiot Briggs primitive, well, that's when I started to mildly dislike LibraryLady too.
IdaBriggs (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-15-08 08:36 AM
Original message
My husband just got asked to provide birth certificates & marriage licenses to verify eligibility for our health insurance through his work.
I don't know why this is bugging me, but it seems like a great set-up for identity theft to have such important documentation in my husband's personnel file.
FYI, we've been married for 13 years, the twins will be 2 in November, and neither of us has *EVER* been asked for such a thing in over 20 years of business.
ON EDIT -- They can see a COPY of these documents, but there is NO WAY I want them to have 'paper' copies of these things. The more I think about it, the more flabbergasted I am at the audacity of such a thing -- our marriage license has 'mother's maiden name' information, and birth certificates -- WTF???
Mhegwood3 (174 posts) Mon Dec-15-08 08:45 AM
Response to Original message
4. That is standard where I work
It is an Blue Cross Blue Shield thing (or so I am told)
Gilligan (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-15-08 08:51 AM
Response to Reply #4
7. B.S. (Not you, what you have heard.)
We have BS/BC and no one asked to see anything like a Marriage license - I needed my marriage license to get my social security card changed from my maiden name to the married name though.
When we got married, I was added to the insurance at my husbands work - after a year or two I asked to go to BS/BC since it covered more for all of us - there are 4 of us here.
I think the company in the Original Post has been scammed and they are sick of it.
And here's somebody we haven't seen for a while:
liberalhistorian (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-15-08 11:59 AM
Response to Reply #7
21. My husband's last job (the one he just lost) used the Blues and, when we got married last fall, we had to give them a copy of our marriage certificate to prove that I was eligible on his policy. We didn't have to ever give birth certificates, though. I've never been asked for a BC for work my whole adult life. Most people don't even have their BC or even a copy of it in their files. I know I'd have to go back to my Ohio county of birth for mine. And how would you prove conclusively that a BC is yours, anyway?????
M0rpheus (214 posts) Mon Dec-15-08 12:56 PM
Response to Reply #21
28. Birth Certificates are usually for dependent children.
Not for adults.
Additional documentation may be required in the case of adoption or guardianship.
Marriage certificate is required for the dependent spouse.
Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-15-08 08:50 AM
Response to Reply #5
6. They do not want to pay for the health care of people who are not married to their employees and kids who are not the children of their employees.
psychmommy (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-15-08 10:33 AM
Response to Original message
14. one of my co-workers got caught saying his wifey was his wife.
everything was good until they broke up. he wanted her off of the insurance but could provide no divorce decree. she being angry as heck was more than willing to spill the story about them not being married. he has lost his job and they both have to pay back 10s of thousands of dollars in insurance coverage. he will never be able to hold any state job. i don't know if criminal charges were filed. it is because of crap like this that folks are gonna have to pony up proof.
suston96 (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-15-08 11:18 AM
Response to Original message
16. I believe that birth and marriage records are public records available to - uh, the public......
M0rpheus (214 posts) Mon Dec-15-08 02:54 PM
Response to Reply #29
33. I agree with you, hence my question.
With the mistakes the insurance companies make on a regular basis (which I deal with regularly), I wouldn't bet my coverage on them getting it right the first time. In my experience, Common sense and insurance rarely go together, as far as I'm concerned.
As far as divulging information to unauthorized parties. Your insurance company already has your SSN's, DOB's, your children's names and information on whatever ailments you've filed claims for over whatever time period.
If it's individual coverage, you provided them with all that information. If it's employee coverage, then your employer has given them all of that information, as you provided it to them.
If you're worried about ID theft from that angle, they already have all the information to do it without the additional documentation. And, by participating in the plan, you've already given your authorization, by their estimation.
I'm just telling you how it works from the Benefits Administrator perspective. Not how it "should" be.
The operating one tells off the Idiot Briggs primitive, and good for him:
OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-15-08 12:21 PM
Response to Original message
24. I Fail To See What Can Possibly Be So Outrageous About Needing A Birth Ceritificate And Marriage certificate for family insurance. Both are public docs and both are pretty directly related to what you're getting. Why they're asking for them now I don't know, but it's still perfectly benign and nothing worthy of outrage.
The operating one tells off the Idiot Briggs primitive again, and good for him:
OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-15-08 12:50 PM
Response to Reply #25
27. It's An Official Document And It Seems To Be A Perfectly Reasonable Request To Ask For Such As It relates to insurance.
Some people just pick apart and complain about friggin everything.
gravity (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-15-08 06:09 PM
Response to Original message
46. It prevents you from giving free insurance to a friend.
Those documents are reasonable to asks for family insurance policy.
Juniperx (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-15-08 06:11 PM
Response to Original message
47. That has been fairly standard for years Due to insurance fraud.
Here comes the usual disruptor:
bobbolink (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-15-08 08:16 PM
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53. If you're poor, you have to submit those things just to get subsidized housing.
Never mind the cost of providing a certified birth certificate for every damned agency that wants one!
But, if you're poor, you have no choice.
At least it sounds like you have a choice... we comply or else.
And thus killed the bonfire.
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If you have nothing to hide, who cares if you have to show a marriage license or birth certificate? You identity is highly unlikely to be stolen in this manner, because neither of those have your social security numbers.
The Briggs idiot typically is just complaining to be complaining.
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Maybe Ida should simply drop her health insurance since we will have Obamacare next year.
I guess I should have complained when the State Department wanted a copy of my birth certificate before they would renew my passport. Don't any of the DUmmies travel? Also many employers want a copy of the birth certificate or a green card to verify citizenship or legal resident status. A birth certificate is easily obtained from the office of records (or some such bureaucracy) in the state of one's birth.
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I've worked at the same company for almost 20 years and have never showed them any ID whatsoever. However, last year they asked everyone with less than 5 years with the company to provide proof of their SSN, something to do with some new law.
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Maybe Ida should simply drop her health insurance since we will have Obamacare next year.
I guess I should have complained when the State Department wanted a copy of my birth certificate before they would renew my passport. Don't any of the DUmmies travel? Also many employers want a copy of the birth certificate or a green card to verify citizenship or legal resident status. A birth certificate is easily obtained from the office of records (or some such bureaucracy) in the state of one's birth.
Slightly off-topic, but you need your birth certificate to renew a passport? If so, I'll have to keep that mind because mine is expiring next year.
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-15-08 08:16 PM
Response to Original message
53. If you're poor, you have to submit those things just to get subsidized housing.
Never mind the cost of providing a certified birth certificate for every damned agency that wants one!
But, if you're poor, you have no choice.
At least it sounds like you have a choice... we comply or else.
Somebody just smack her with a brick and throw her on the Soylant Green pick up truck already.
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-15-08 08:16 PM
Response to Original message
53. If you're poor, you have to submit those things just to get subsidized housing.
Never mind the cost of providing a certified birth certificate for every damned agency that wants one!
But, if you're poor, you have no choice.
At least it sounds like you have a choice... we comply or else.
And thus killed the bonfire.
Does the bobblehead know any other lyrics to her same old song? Every post has the word "poor" in it.
And as for "IdaBriggs" - if that is her real name then she can't be all that worried about ID theft.
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I've worked at the same company for almost 20 years and have never showed them any ID whatsoever. However, last year they asked everyone with less than 5 years with the company to provide proof of their SSN, something to do with some new law.
Well obviously they have your SSN if you are getting paid. :-)
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And as for "IdaBriggs" - if that is her real name then she can't be all that worried about ID theft.
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The Idiot Briggs primitive in Michigan, who works for a travel agency--or more likely, in some governmental agency making travel arrangements for bureaucrats--once got a free all-expenses paid 10-day trip to Egypt; this was about four years ago.
Of course it was an escorted tour, and of course the tourees stayed in whites-and-rich-coloreds-only hotels in Egypt, and patronized dollars-only stores and restaurants.
The Idiot Briggs primitive came back to Skins's island and announced that women in Egypt had more rights, more equality, than women in the United States.
How the Idiot Briggs primitive saw that, I have no idea.
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Well obviously they have your SSN if you are getting paid. :-)
Of course they do. I provided that on my application, but they never asked to see the card. I still have my original SSN card I received when I was 12, many years ago.
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Slightly off-topic, but you need your birth certificate to renew a passport? If so, I'll have to keep that mind because mine is expiring next year.
Yes, you do. I renewed mine a couple of years ago, my birth certificate was in the envelope that my original passport had come in. LOL
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I've worked at the same company for almost 20 years and have never showed them any ID whatsoever. However, last year they asked everyone with less than 5 years with the company to provide proof of their SSN, something to do with some new law.
Yes, you have to fill out an I-9, this isn't a new law. I'm surprised they haven't asked you before. All companies are required to keep a copy of employees proof of identification (most people it's a driver's license and a social security card).
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All current and retired GM personnel has to provide this info.
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Yes, you do. I renewed mine a couple of years ago, my birth certificate was in the envelope that my original passport had come in. LOL
Crap. Now I have to contact my ex-wife, because I'm sure that my birth certificate is still in our safety deposit box and I don't have the key. I'm not even sure what bank it's at, because I've never been accessed it. :banghead:
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Crap. Now I have to contact my ex-wife, because I'm sure that my birth certificate is still in our safety deposit box and I don't have the key. I'm not even sure what bank it's at, because I've never been accessed it. :banghead:
You can contact the county court house where you were born and get another copy. I know in Texas, I was worried it had been lost, that I could have gone to the court house here, even though it's not the same county.
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Slightly off-topic, but you need your birth certificate to renew a passport? If so, I'll have to keep that mind because mine is expiring next year.
I think it depends on when your orignal passport was issued. If it was issued less than 15 years ago, no birth certificate is required to renew it according to
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/79960.pdf
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If you have nothing to hide, who cares if you have to show a marriage license or birth certificate? You identity is highly unlikely to be stolen in this manner, because neither of those have your social security numbers.
The Briggs idiot typically is just complaining to be complaining.
No Kiddin'!
When I first went into the Bail Bond business, they crawled right up my exterior and the exterior of "Toots"!
Nothing unusual. Hell, how would you like a criminal trying to get other criminals out of jail???
Sounds more to me like these asshats are trying to skirt the marriage decrees that have been shot down for same sex marriage!